(11-03-2021 08:07 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 07:59 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What are rambling about? You missed so many facts… and yes marshal is the defending National champs. No matter what conference they are in. It’s a national championship.

How stonned are you?

Are you saying that Marshall will be a three time champ? Cause I am struggling with this defending champ from 2020 to 2023.

Good glossing over how his main argument was geography and wrong. I'll wait on these other facts you didn't present.

The Sunbelt has confirmed soccer is being reinstated. That soccer league will be stronger than the American and the affiliates will follow the teams they are affiliated with. You come up with some real theory’s dude. I remember a little while back you were certain Aresco was playing chess to Bobs checkers in the Big12/AAC fiasco. How ESPN was gonna tear the Big 12 apart, how the American teams held equal value to the “little 8” as you called them. How the mouse actually gave a crap about you guys. You are a delusional individual. If I was so wrong for so long I would just stop.

(11-03-2021 10:38 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 08:49 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Personally, I don't care about soccer, but it is an important sport with high youth participation. The AAC should aggressively pursue KY, SC and WVU to join as affiliate members. Keep UCF in the fold too if they are a good team. For the same reason Aresco took the TX schools, take these schools to keep the Belt in its place. Offer Marshall a spot as an affiliate. I don't care what they say on the message boards, they would wet themselves at the chance to get a foot in the door here.

LMAO....UK and WVU will follow Marshall to the SBC. There is no chance they go to the AAC.

If we have learned nothing else from this realignment cycle, we certainly know that you have no sources. You have predicted ever possible outcome under the sun, and of course, most of them have been completely wrong. But you predicted them enthusiastically, so there is that.

Can you provide a link to anything that is not a message board showing that UK, SC or WVU is taking soccer to the SB? Until that exists this is all just more bloviation.

(11-03-2021 08:07 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 07:59 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What are rambling about? You missed so many facts… and yes marshal is the defending National champs. No matter what conference they are in. It’s a national championship.

How stonned are you?

Are you saying that Marshall will be a three time champ? Cause I am struggling with this defending champ from 2020 to 2023.

Good glossing over how his main argument was geography and wrong. I'll wait on these other facts you didn't present.

I didn't gloss over anything. I just didn't respond to an intellectually dishonest part of your post that cherry picked certain pieces of data to support your position and then entirely disregarded the truth. You literally didnt list everyone so travel didnt seem like an issue... its such a dishonest way to do things that I didnt even feel the need to respond to it.

Its not hard to beat your arguments. So much so that I just sit back and let everyone else point out just how amazingly wrong you were... and you knew it. You arent that dumb. Eliminating every team out west... come on man. Thats BS and you knew it.

If you actually played soccer, you would also know just how strong teh new SBC will be in comparison.

(11-04-2021 08:41 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Can you provide a link to anything that is not a message board showing that UK, SC or WVU is taking soccer to the SB? Until that exists this is all just more bloviation.

http://wrvc.com/paul-swann/

Marshall soccer coach Chris Grassie was interviewed yesterday evening on the Paul Swann radio sports talk show. Listen to the 11/3 show and the Grassie's interview starts at the 9:00 mark, starts talking Sun Belt at the 15:00 mark.
- Confirms UK, WVU, USC, and UCF have received affiliate invites to the SBC.
- Says he's been sending calculations to the affiliate coaches showing it would be the 2nd strongest conference in the country.
- Coastal's coach has been communicating the governance of the sport was stronger in SBC than C-USA, the soccer programs get to make soccer decisions.
- Later in interview he somewhat disagrees next C-USA season would be bittersweet because most of the rivalries are going with us to the Belt.

Side note: Grassie and WVU coach Stratford are personal friends who talk almost daily. Stratford was Grassie's assistant at UC. They pioneered WVU's move to C-USA. Each school has their own decision to make... but as he points out, SBC has slightly better numbers than C-USA and better travel than C-USA.

I don't see any changes in soccer until 2023 unless someone moves to the AAC, after that it will most likely be a choice of AAC or "sbc".

(11-04-2021 09:00 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 08:41 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Can you provide a link to anything that is not a message board showing that UK, SC or WVU is taking soccer to the SB? Until that exists this is all just more bloviation.

http://wrvc.com/paul-swann/

Marshall soccer coach Chris Grassie was interviewed yesterday evening on the Paul Swann radio sports talk show. Listen to the 11/3 show and the Grassie's interview starts at the 9:00 mark, starts talking Sun Belt at the 15:00 mark.
- Confirms UK, WVU, USC, and UCF have received affiliate invites to the SBC.
- Says he's been sending calculations to the affiliate coaches showing it would be the 2nd strongest conference in the country.
- Coastal's coach has been communicating the governance of the sport was stronger in SBC than C-USA, the soccer programs get to make soccer decisions.
- Later in interview he somewhat disagrees next C-USA season would be bittersweet because most of the rivalries are going with us to the Belt.

Side note: Grassie and WVU coach Stratford are personal friends who talk almost daily. Stratford was Grassie's assistant at UC. They pioneered WVU's move to C-USA. Each school has their own decision to make... but as he points out, SBC has slightly better numbers than C-USA and better travel than C-USA.

C-USA Soccer will be a completely different monster as of 2023. It will have a significant shift West.

(11-04-2021 09:05 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  C-USA Soccer will be a completely different monster as of 2023. It will have a significant shift West.

Clearly talking about current C-USA, not a future C-USA, which likely wont exist.

(11-04-2021 09:00 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 08:41 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Can you provide a link to anything that is not a message board showing that UK, SC or WVU is taking soccer to the SB? Until that exists this is all just more bloviation.

http://wrvc.com/paul-swann/

Marshall soccer coach Chris Grassie was interviewed yesterday evening on the Paul Swann radio sports talk show. Listen to the 11/3 show and the Grassie's interview starts at the 9:00 mark, starts talking Sun Belt at the 15:00 mark.
- Confirms UK, WVU, USC, and UCF have received affiliate invites to the SBC.
- Says he's been sending calculations to the affiliate coaches showing it would be the 2nd strongest conference in the country.
- Coastal's coach has been communicating the governance of the sport was stronger in SBC than C-USA, the soccer programs get to make soccer decisions.
- Later in interview he somewhat disagrees next C-USA season would be bittersweet because most of the rivalries are going with us to the Belt.

Side note: Grassie and WVU coach Stratford are personal friends who talk almost daily. Stratford was Grassie's assistant at UC. They pioneered WVU's move to C-USA. Each school has their own decision to make... but as he points out, SBC has slightly better numbers than C-USA and better travel than C-USA.

So Marshall's coach is clearly trying to convince those teams to go with them to the SB. CCU is trying to too. But just a minute ago they are all going :lmfao:That's not prove that's wishful thinking it will go your way

Again if those three p5 don't go to the SBC, that soccer conference isn't worth Marshall's time and no those teams haven't agreed to go. At least we know UCF soccer has a landing place though enjoy that league with CCU, GSU, and Georgia Southern

It's clear the SBC fans here are blowing smoke and are clueless.

(11-04-2021 09:00 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 08:41 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Can you provide a link to anything that is not a message board showing that UK, SC or WVU is taking soccer to the SB? Until that exists this is all just more bloviation.

http://wrvc.com/paul-swann/

Marshall soccer coach Chris Grassie was interviewed yesterday evening on the Paul Swann radio sports talk show. Listen to the 11/3 show and the Grassie's interview starts at the 9:00 mark, starts talking Sun Belt at the 15:00 mark.
- Confirms UK, WVU, USC, and UCF have received affiliate invites to the SBC.
- Says he's been sending calculations to the affiliate coaches showing it would be the 2nd strongest conference in the country.
- Coastal's coach has been communicating the governance of the sport was stronger in SBC than C-USA, the soccer programs get to make soccer decisions.
- Later in interview he somewhat disagrees next C-USA season would be bittersweet because most of the rivalries are going with us to the Belt.

Side note: Grassie and WVU coach Stratford are personal friends who talk almost daily. Stratford was Grassie's assistant at UC. They pioneered WVU's move to C-USA. Each school has their own decision to make... but as he points out, SBC has slightly better numbers than C-USA and better travel than C-USA.

An actual link! Thanks. I didn't listen, but per your explanation it sounds like the Belt is making its case to offer a home to the affiliates. That is no surprise, but a long ways from being any kind of a done deal. I have no idea whether the AAC will do the same, but it does seem logical that they (we) would. Until there is a real announcement, this is all just talk.

(11-03-2021 08:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 08:07 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 07:59 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What are rambling about? You missed so many facts… and yes marshal is the defending National champs. No matter what conference they are in. It’s a national championship.

How stonned are you?

Are you saying that Marshall will be a three time champ? Cause I am struggling with this defending champ from 2020 to 2023.

Good glossing over how his main argument was geography and wrong. I'll wait on these other facts you didn't present.

Like the fact that you chose the western most affiliate and still failed to include the 120 mile trip to Marshall? The fact that you included the mileage from the entire future Sun Belt conference and compared them to the 3 eastern AAC teams and left out the trips to Texas and Oklahoma? The fact that these affiliates already chose CUSA over the AAC when you had UCF and now you’ve traded them for Charlotte and the chaff of CUSA? Do the mileage for WVU & USC next and don’t leave out the Western schools. Then average the RPI’s of the groups they’re joining. Then look at their histories of success. ODU is probably the 4th best historically of the 6 core SB teams and we’ve been to the NCAA’s more than Tulsa including 2 CUSA titles. Those missing facts?

Stronger League
Tighter League
Established Relationships

It’s done. Deal with it.

They already go to Marshall, you notice I didn't include the distance between Kentucky and WVa/Georgia either? Those distances don't change for them. I compared their new members and travel against the new members and travel for the AAC north.

Have you never heard of divisions and how they save on travel? Because I gave you the totals for their division in an AAC north, where you know they will play almost all their games?

Ummmm, how long ago did Kentucky and SC join CISA? I am not sure a decision that will be at least a decade old has any point in this conversation, kind of like how Marshall's fluke national championship last year won't in three.

If its soooooo done why are CCU and Marshall's coaches even now trying to talk them into it?

Lol these are your factual arguments.

I never claimed they have accepted, so keep your responses directed, please. But it clearly makes sense for UK, WVU, and USC. USC would basically be closer to EVERY member of SBC soccer than Charlotte would be to their NEAREST AAC soccer member.

(11-04-2021 09:47 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Ummmm, how long ago did Kentucky and SC join CISA? I am not sure a decision that will be at least a decade old has any point in this conversation, kind of like how Marshall's fluke national championship last year won't in three.

Kentucky and Marshall were in the MAC and moved to C-USA together in 2005.

However, the national championship wasn't a fluke. Third consecutive year we've been "Top 10", and we're a heavy favorite to defend this year (we are #1 right now), and we have enough returning next year that we aren't disappearing from that discussion.

(11-04-2021 09:47 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 08:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 08:07 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 07:59 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What are rambling about? You missed so many facts… and yes marshal is the defending National champs. No matter what conference they are in. It’s a national championship.

How stonned are you?

Are you saying that Marshall will be a three time champ? Cause I am struggling with this defending champ from 2020 to 2023.

Good glossing over how his main argument was geography and wrong. I'll wait on these other facts you didn't present.

Like the fact that you chose the western most affiliate and still failed to include the 120 mile trip to Marshall? The fact that you included the mileage from the entire future Sun Belt conference and compared them to the 3 eastern AAC teams and left out the trips to Texas and Oklahoma? The fact that these affiliates already chose CUSA over the AAC when you had UCF and now you’ve traded them for Charlotte and the chaff of CUSA? Do the mileage for WVU & USC next and don’t leave out the Western schools. Then average the RPI’s of the groups they’re joining. Then look at their histories of success. ODU is probably the 4th best historically of the 6 core SB teams and we’ve been to the NCAA’s more than Tulsa including 2 CUSA titles. Those missing facts?

Stronger League
Tighter League
Established Relationships

It’s done. Deal with it.

They already go to Marshall, you notice I didn't include the distance between Kentucky and WVa/Georgia either? Those distances don't change for them. I compared their new members and travel against the new members and travel for the AAC north.

Have you never heard of divisions and how they save on travel? Because I gave you the totals for their division in an AAC north, where you know they will play almost all their games?

Ummmm, how long ago did Kentucky and SC join CISA? I am not sure a decision that will be at least a decade old has any point in this conversation, kind of like how Marshall's fluke national championship last year won't in three.

If its soooooo done why are CCU and Marshall's coaches even now trying to talk them into it?

Lol these are your factual arguments.

Your arguments make no damn sense. They already travel to ODU and CCU too but I wouldn’t expect you to know that as you don’t even know who currently plays soccer in your own damn conference. You’ve clearly demonstrated your lack of knowledge in this area but I will still enjoy coming back and rubbing it in your face because of the condescending way you’ve displayed your ignorance.

Enjoy playing ECU in soccer.

(11-04-2021 09:13 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 09:05 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  C-USA Soccer will be a completely different monster as of 2023. It will have a significant shift West.

Clearly talking about current C-USA, not a future C-USA, which likely wont exist.

NO... Marshall was not what held C-USA afloat, with the new additions C-USA will survive, and at first glance it might be a decent conference.

(11-04-2021 11:26 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 09:13 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 09:05 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  C-USA Soccer will be a completely different monster as of 2023. It will have a significant shift West.

Clearly talking about current C-USA, not a future C-USA, which likely wont exist.

NO... Marshall was not what held C-USA afloat, with the new additions C-USA will survive, and at first glance it might be a decent conference.

Pretty sure he was talking about CUSA soccer not the conference as a whole. Of the existing and rumored teams only FIU and Liberty sponsor men’s soccer so it’s very likely they won’t sponsor it starting in 2023.

Sun Belt is starting soccer.

Marshall fans thoughts are that the Sun Belt may be able to bring Kentucky, WVU, FIU, and UCF to the Sun Belt to make a premier soccer league that would rival the ACC.

(11-04-2021 11:26 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 09:13 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 09:05 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  C-USA Soccer will be a completely different monster as of 2023. It will have a significant shift West.

Clearly talking about current C-USA, not a future C-USA, which likely wont exist.

NO... Marshall was not what held C-USA afloat, with the new additions C-USA will survive, and at first glance it might be a decent conference.

It still needs 1 more to survive and lets be honest... any conference having to add 2-3 FCS is on life support.
Liberty is going to be their standard bearer... which kinda reminds me of the MWC, but the difference is that others step up with Boise is down.
I dont see who will step up for them. LAtech is decent but I dont see them breaking into the top 25 anything soon. Utep is on a run, but I dont remember Utep ever sustaining anything... NMSU is just happy to be in a conference and FIU.

FIU sold their soul to beat Miami and I am not certain the devil will ever give them a major win again.

I like your positivity but I think decent may be a stretch. I honestly wonder if any tv entity is even going to bid anything for them. $500K that they were getting may go down even further.

(11-04-2021 09:39 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 09:00 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 08:41 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Can you provide a link to anything that is not a message board showing that UK, SC or WVU is taking soccer to the SB? Until that exists this is all just more bloviation.

http://wrvc.com/paul-swann/

Marshall soccer coach Chris Grassie was interviewed yesterday evening on the Paul Swann radio sports talk show. Listen to the 11/3 show and the Grassie's interview starts at the 9:00 mark, starts talking Sun Belt at the 15:00 mark.
- Confirms UK, WVU, USC, and UCF have received affiliate invites to the SBC.
- Says he's been sending calculations to the affiliate coaches showing it would be the 2nd strongest conference in the country.
- Coastal's coach has been communicating the governance of the sport was stronger in SBC than C-USA, the soccer programs get to make soccer decisions.
- Later in interview he somewhat disagrees next C-USA season would be bittersweet because most of the rivalries are going with us to the Belt.

Side note: Grassie and WVU coach Stratford are personal friends who talk almost daily. Stratford was Grassie's assistant at UC. They pioneered WVU's move to C-USA. Each school has their own decision to make... but as he points out, SBC has slightly better numbers than C-USA and better travel than C-USA.

So Marshall's coach is clearly trying to convince those teams to go with them to the SB. CCU is trying to too. But just a minute ago they are all going :lmfao:That's not prove that's wishful thinking it will go your way

Again if those three p5 don't go to the SBC, that soccer conference isn't worth Marshall's time and no those teams haven't agreed to go. At least we know UCF soccer has a landing place though enjoy that league with CCU, GSU, and Georgia Southern

It's clear the SBC fans here are blowing smoke and are clueless.

So this future SBC Soccer League would be 1 or 2 in Division 1, you know this, right? If you know anything about collegiate soccer, you know this.

There is no P5, G5 soccer league. It's just Soccer.

(11-04-2021 11:47 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Sun Belt is starting soccer.

Marshall fans thoughts are that the Sun Belt may be able to bring Kentucky, WVU, FIU, and UCF to the Sun Belt to make a premier soccer league that would rival the ACC.

I think right now they would have 2 in the top 25 with another 2 sitting barely outside of it. 4 top 25 teams would definitely put them up there.

Ive heard that WVU is looking at their options. They havent officially joined CUSA yet. They are scheduled for next year. I wouldnt doubt at all they pull out and move to Sunbelt... which would make me think that UCF would go there also since they are both Big 12.

(11-04-2021 11:46 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 11:26 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 09:13 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 09:05 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  C-USA Soccer will be a completely different monster as of 2023. It will have a significant shift West.

Clearly talking about current C-USA, not a future C-USA, which likely wont exist.

NO... Marshall was not what held C-USA afloat, with the new additions C-USA will survive, and at first glance it might be a decent conference.

Pretty sure he was talking about CUSA soccer not the conference as a whole. Of the existing and rumored teams only FIU and Liberty sponsor men’s soccer so it’s very likely they won’t sponsor it starting in 2023.

Ok, good point... I basically left it as an option between AAC and SBC because I don't think ACC is open to additions If the are then both AAC and SBC will probably out of the running.

Is the AAC trying to recruit the soccer affiliates? I know its just a small part but seems like recruiting and exposure would be more ideal for the affiliate teams in the larger markets since this is not a main stream television product.