I was very surprised to hear that ootsa is senior heavy. Next year they're gonna be hurting. On the other hand a good whipping on my Miners lower class players will teach them a good lesson. Hardly any seniors on that squad.

Ootsa is spanking our butts and there's no way we'll catch up to 21 points we're not that explosive.

We need a good play caller. Wildcat? Everyone knows what's gonna happen.

Anyway, how about that crowd. In the very least it shows our kids what they can expect if they win. It's all up to them.

(11-06-2021 11:16 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 10:56 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Doesn't look like the refs are favoring the CUSA team...

Huh? Two clear PIs on Franklin (#4). The announcers pointed it out. Finally called the third one since it was so blatant. Also a holding on our nose tackle on a running play that was stuffed behind the line??

On the bright side, it looks like 40k+ at the Sun Bowl. Looks packed.

We need more than that. We need the refs to be on our side like they were last night at the game in Miami.

(11-06-2021 11:42 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 11:16 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 10:56 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Doesn't look like the refs are favoring the CUSA team...

Huh? Two clear PIs on Franklin (#4). The announcers pointed it out. Finally called the third one since it was so blatant. Also a holding on our nose tackle on a running play that was stuffed behind the line??

On the bright side, it looks like 40k+ at the Sun Bowl. Looks packed.

We need more than that. We need the refs to be on our side like they were last night at the game in Miami.

3rd obvious PI

Announcers laughing about it.

(11-06-2021 11:44 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 11:42 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 11:16 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 10:56 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Doesn't look like the refs are favoring the CUSA team...

Huh? Two clear PIs on Franklin (#4). The announcers pointed it out. Finally called the third one since it was so blatant. Also a holding on our nose tackle on a running play that was stuffed behind the line??

On the bright side, it looks like 40k+ at the Sun Bowl. Looks packed.

We need more than that. We need the refs to be on our side like they were last night at the game in Miami.

3rd obvious PI

Announcers laughing about it.

There you go...

(11-06-2021 11:40 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I was very surprised to hear that ootsa is senior heavy. Next year they're gonna be hurting. On the other hand a good whipping on my Miners lower class players will teach them a good lesson. Hardly any seniors on that squad.

Ootsa is spanking our butts and there's no way we'll catch up to 21 points we're not that explosive.

We need a good play caller. Wildcat? Everyone knows what's gonna happen.

Anyway, how about that crowd. In the very least it shows our kids what they can expect if they win. It's all up to them.

They are very deep, especially on offensive side. McCormick, and all 3 top receivers are Juniors. Also options for super senior years from QB Frank Harris and a lot of those seniors.

Congratulations UTSA. You're one of the best teams CUSA has ever had.

(11-06-2021 10:56 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Doesn't look like the refs are favoring the CUSA team...

Were you watching? UTEP was constantly man-handling UTSA receivers with no PI call. It was so bad that it became a conversation for the commentators.

Congrats UTSA. That was a real butt kicking. Very good team.

UTEP, you guys have a very good scrappy team. I’m sure you all have a hell of a chance to win out. Congrats on a great season so far. If u guys are as young as u say u are, CUSA is in trouble going forward cause y’all have some talent. Good luck the rest of way.

This was a fun game to watch... Both UTEP & UTSA were better than I anticipated

(11-07-2021 09:06 AM)Fear The Beak 2 Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 10:56 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Doesn't look like the refs are favoring the CUSA team...

Were you watching? UTEP was constantly man-handling UTSA receivers with no PI call. It was so bad that it became a conversation for the commentators.

Admit it, you're team was doing it too. I saw it at least twice.

Congrats UTSA on the win. Now go win the rest of the games on your schedule and I’m rooting for Cincinnati to lose for the NY6 Bowl to go to the C-USA champ.

The Miners are still a young team. The next two seasons will be interesting and maybe Dana after all was the right hire. Like the commentators said last night, Dimel’s mentor Bill Snyder faced the same issue at Kansas State in winning a few games in the first three seasons and then made K-State a winning program. Dimel has won more games this season than the last three seasons combined (he started in 2018). Even if he doesn’t work out, at least he recruited FBS caliber players for the next coach to work on something his predecessor failed to do.

(11-07-2021 02:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Congrats UTSA on the win. Now go win the rest of the games on your schedule and I’m rooting for Cincinnati to lose for the NY6 Bowl to go to the C-USA champ.

The Miners are still a young team. The next two seasons will be interesting and maybe Dana after all was the right hire. Like the commentators said last night, Dimel’s mentor Bill Snyder faced the same issue at Kansas State in winning a few games in the first three seasons and then made K-State a winning program. Dimel has won more games this season than the last three seasons combined (he started in 2018). Even if he doesn’t work out, at least he recruited FBS caliber players for the next coach to work on something his predecessor failed to do.

That is the way I am looking at it too. Dimel is atleast building a foundation. Im not a fan of building with JUCO players but as long as we are competitive, ill be happy. Next season though, expectations will be much higher.

Nice gesture UTSA.

https://twitter.com/uteppresident/status...99748?s=21

I'd give Dimel more time. It's hard to recruit to New Mexico so the KState model is the right way to go about it for UTEP. You have to do it differently when you're at such a big geographic disadvantage. Huge improvement over the winless/1-win UTEPs of recent years. Should be even more competitive in the new iteration of CUSA starting in 2023 as well.

(11-07-2021 03:02 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  Nice gesture UTSA.

https://twitter.com/uteppresident/status...99748?s=21

Hope we continue playing UTSA after they leave.

(11-07-2021 03:53 PM)correcamino Wrote:  I'd give Dimel more time. It's hard to recruit to New Mexico so the KState model is the right way to go about it for UTEP. You have to do it differently when you're at such a big geographic disadvantage. Huge improvement over the winless/1-win UTEPs of recent years. Should be even more competitive in the new iteration of CUSA starting in 2023 as well.

Agreed. Dimel has done a relatively good job recruiting compared to Kugler and Price.

(11-07-2021 03:53 PM)correcamino Wrote:  I'd give Dimel more time. It's hard to recruit to New Mexico so the KState model is the right way to go about it for UTEP. You have to do it differently when you're at such a big geographic disadvantage. Huge improvement over the winless/1-win UTEPs of recent years. Should be even more competitive in the new iteration of CUSA starting in 2023 as well.

It’s not that’s it’s hard to recruit to “New Nexico” (a pet peeve of mine, El Paso is part of Texas, period). The problem is something else which is a topic for another day. If geography was the main reason, then explain Boise State football and Gonzaga basketball. Boise and Spokane are far from any relevant recruiting areas. At least El Paso is right in the middle of the population center of Texas and Southern California. But again, a topic for another day.

(11-07-2021 04:34 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  It’s not that’s it’s hard to recruit to “New Nexico” (a pet peeve of mine, El Paso is part of Texas, period). The problem is something else which is a topic for another day. If geography was the main reason, then explain Boise State football and Gonzaga basketball. Boise and Spokane are far from any relevant recruiting areas. At least El Paso is right in the middle of the population center of Texas and Southern California. But again, a topic for another day.

That's rare though. Theyve built themselves into name brand programs. I'm sure they weren't recruiting the same calibre of recruits before becoming a brand. Now they can, but initially they weren't winning by out-talenting opponents.

I'm not trying to put UTEP or El Paso down. It's just been the reality since I've been following CUSA recruiting. You've always been at the bottom of recruiting rankings by a mile. Rarely ever beat other Texas CUSA schools for recruits. Most of your recruits have no other FBS offers. Barring a Boise St type run (how probable is that) that will continue to be the case because of geography, imo. Thats why I think the KState model is smart for y'all.

(11-07-2021 05:24 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 04:34 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  It’s not that’s it’s hard to recruit to “New Nexico” (a pet peeve of mine, El Paso is part of Texas, period). The problem is something else which is a topic for another day. If geography was the main reason, then explain Boise State football and Gonzaga basketball. Boise and Spokane are far from any relevant recruiting areas. At least El Paso is right in the middle of the population center of Texas and Southern California. But again, a topic for another day.

That's rare though. Theyve built themselves into name brand programs. I'm sure they weren't recruiting the same calibre of recruits before becoming a brand. Now they can, but initially they weren't winning by out-talenting opponents.

I'm not trying to put UTEP or El Paso down. It's just been the reality since I've been following CUSA recruiting. You've always been at the bottom of recruiting rankings by a mile. Rarely ever beat other Texas CUSA schools for recruits. Most of your recruits have no other FBS offers. Barring a Boise St type run (how probable is that) that will continue to be the case because of geography, imo. Thats why I think the KState model is smart for y'all.

Nope. Geography is part of that but it’s not the only reason. If geography was the main reason, Boise State would not have ever elevated their program to a top 25 one. Boise is in a worse part of the country for recruiting purposes than El Paso. But recruits want to go where they can win and in order to do that, you have to invest in paying coaches better. Yes, $750k a year goes a long way in El Paso. A nice house in the Franklin Mountains with a pool is nice. But in today’s landscape, $750k is not going to cut it if you want to move up on the G5 ladder. You won’t attract assistant coaches with $100k either. That’s where the fan base has to make a decision if they want to keep the status quo of having a winning season once or twice a decade or pay more in tickets. The facilities are there, the fan base is there as well. There’s no P5 and pro sports taking away attention from UTEP, in fact, the local media coverage is one I’ve seen in P5 markets and on the G5 level, the MWC. The business community supports the school as well but they can’t do it all by themselves. So the question is, would you pay an extra $5-$10for tickets and attract better coaches with a least $1.5 million salary or just be a program that keeps being left behind since 1998. The basketball program has the history and tradition but again, $750k is not going to cut it either.

As I’ve always stated multiple times on this board and the realignment one, UTEP’s struggles are internal not external. UTSA for example has to deal with UT-Austin being too close, a storied NBA franchise, having too many transplants who bring their allegiance to their new town and a lack of tradition when it comes to following the local FBS team. In El Paso, you’re an automatic fan if you’re born and raised there. It’s not rare if you went to a P5 school and still root for the Miners. Can the average San Antonian say the same? That’s why I can’t emphasize enough when I say it’s a different struggle from the vast majority of G5 schools. I’m not from El Paso and that’s the first thing I learned in my first semester and that’s why I don’t blame other people when they think it’s about geography. Heck, I used to think the same way.