i noted this whwene talking with fanhood..

utah obliterated a playoff oregon 3 weeks ago... that week despite winning, sdsu was dropped in rankings

the committee hasnt retroactively bumped anyone ... i think a myth is that the committe re-evlautes every week...and not updating like ap where its moving up and down
i think the first rankings everyone is evaluated on a clean slate...but i think every ranking after that is treated just like the ap..

(12-04-2021 11:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 11:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2021 10:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-03-2021 10:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2021 07:37 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  To be fair, they changed the rules on him. 6-7 Hawaii was not in consideration until they added another bowl.

They didn't change any rule. I looked it up. The NCAA requires you to have 6 wins to be bowl eligible. It does not specify how many games you have to play to get there. Hawaii gets to play an extra game due to their geographic isolation.

They were eligible all along. Not many people understood the rule. Including McMurphy. Maybe they wouldn't have been picked if the extra bowl wasn't added, but no rule was changed, and they were absolutely eligible.

At 6-7 they are only eligible AFTER all 6-6 teams are selected. And that isn't just Hawaii - an opponent who travels to Hawaii could play a thirteenth game, and if that team were 6-7, they would only be bowl eligible for bowl selection after all 6-6 teams were selected.

There were two more teams with 6 wins (including Hawaii) than bowl slots, before the bowl was added - Hawaii and one 6-6 team were going to stay home. My point wasn't "rule change" it was that the situation when McMurphy wrote that prediction excluded Hawaii from the bowl picture. And then the bowl was added. Hawaii is always an easy prediction for that bowl, when eligible, but it's a tough call to say he whiffed when they were out of the picture before the bowl was added.

I respectfully disagree that Hawaii was behind all the 6-6 teams. I couldn't find that rule anywhere. Only that if you win 6, you're eligible.

And read this comment from the Daily Memphian, which supports my contention:

"The NCAA has added an additional bowl game, which would allow all 84 bowl-eligible teams to compete, according to the report.

McMurphy reported that the Hawai’i Rainbow Warriors (6-7, 3-5 Mountain West) are expected to play in the bowl game against the Tigers on Christmas Eve.

Two of six six-win teams — Ball State, Hawai’i, Miami (Ohio), North Texas, Old Dominion and Wyoming — would have been left without a bowl game without the addition of another game."

https://dailymemphian.com/section/sports...-adds-bowl

*****

Two of the six left out without the extra game. It says nothing about Hawaii having to be one of the two. Show me that in writing, and I will concede, lol.

Hawaii was behind all the 6-6 teams. From the NCAA book (see link, page 6):

***********************
Eligible Teams

An eligible team is defined as one that has won a number of games against Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) opponents that is equal to or greater than the number of its overall losses (e.g., a record of 6-6, or better). Tie or
forfeited games do not count in determining won-lost record.

Insufficient Number of Deserving Teams

If an insufficient number of institutions does not meet the definition of a "deserving team" to participate in postseason bowl games in a particular year, an institution that meets a condition set forth below shall be eligible as an alternate to be selected to participate in such a bowl game after all deserving teams have been selected to participate. All institutions that meet the first condition must be selected before an institution that meets the second condition may be selected and so forth in descending order. The conditions below represents the order in which alternates are identified in the event there are insufficient number of deserving teams:

1. (Snip)

2. An institution that participated in 13 regular-season contests and finished the season with a record of six
wins and seven losses.

*******************

In fact, the first criteria I snipped is for teams that went 6-6, but they aren't eligible because a win is vs an FCS team that they cannot count towards their win totals. So Hawaii would have been behind those teams too, but there were no such teams.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champio...ndbook.pdf

Thanks for the links and excerpts, but the part you snipped makes no sense, b/c one of Memphis' 6 wins is against Nicholls State, an FCS team.

(12-04-2021 12:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 11:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 11:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2021 10:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-03-2021 10:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  They didn't change any rule. I looked it up. The NCAA requires you to have 6 wins to be bowl eligible. It does not specify how many games you have to play to get there. Hawaii gets to play an extra game due to their geographic isolation.

They were eligible all along. Not many people understood the rule. Including McMurphy. Maybe they wouldn't have been picked if the extra bowl wasn't added, but no rule was changed, and they were absolutely eligible.

At 6-7 they are only eligible AFTER all 6-6 teams are selected. And that isn't just Hawaii - an opponent who travels to Hawaii could play a thirteenth game, and if that team were 6-7, they would only be bowl eligible for bowl selection after all 6-6 teams were selected.

There were two more teams with 6 wins (including Hawaii) than bowl slots, before the bowl was added - Hawaii and one 6-6 team were going to stay home. My point wasn't "rule change" it was that the situation when McMurphy wrote that prediction excluded Hawaii from the bowl picture. And then the bowl was added. Hawaii is always an easy prediction for that bowl, when eligible, but it's a tough call to say he whiffed when they were out of the picture before the bowl was added.

I respectfully disagree that Hawaii was behind all the 6-6 teams. I couldn't find that rule anywhere. Only that if you win 6, you're eligible.

And read this comment from the Daily Memphian, which supports my contention:

"The NCAA has added an additional bowl game, which would allow all 84 bowl-eligible teams to compete, according to the report.

McMurphy reported that the Hawai’i Rainbow Warriors (6-7, 3-5 Mountain West) are expected to play in the bowl game against the Tigers on Christmas Eve.

Two of six six-win teams — Ball State, Hawai’i, Miami (Ohio), North Texas, Old Dominion and Wyoming — would have been left without a bowl game without the addition of another game."

https://dailymemphian.com/section/sports...-adds-bowl

*****

Two of the six left out without the extra game. It says nothing about Hawaii having to be one of the two. Show me that in writing, and I will concede, lol.

Hawaii was behind all the 6-6 teams. From the NCAA book (see link, page 6):

***********************
Eligible Teams

An eligible team is defined as one that has won a number of games against Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) opponents that is equal to or greater than the number of its overall losses (e.g., a record of 6-6, or better). Tie or
forfeited games do not count in determining won-lost record.

Insufficient Number of Deserving Teams

If an insufficient number of institutions does not meet the definition of a "deserving team" to participate in postseason bowl games in a particular year, an institution that meets a condition set forth below shall be eligible as an alternate to be selected to participate in such a bowl game after all deserving teams have been selected to participate. All institutions that meet the first condition must be selected before an institution that meets the second condition may be selected and so forth in descending order. The conditions below represents the order in which alternates are identified in the event there are insufficient number of deserving teams:

1. (Snip)

2. An institution that participated in 13 regular-season contests and finished the season with a record of six
wins and seven losses.

*******************

In fact, the first criteria I snipped is for teams that went 6-6, but they aren't eligible because a win is vs an FCS team that they cannot count towards their win totals. So Hawaii would have been behind those teams too, but there were no such teams.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champio...ndbook.pdf

Looks like I spent 24 minutes digging and drafting when you already had posted the right answer.

Good pull on the Handbook. That postseason bowl administration page USED TO have the CFP Revenue distribution numbers, and I must have stopped browsing by there once they stopped releasing that data into the wild.

I spent time looking, too, lol. I'm glad he found that. I still don't get the FCS part for 6 win teams, though, b/c that's one of Memphis' wins.

(12-04-2021 02:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 12:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 11:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 11:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2021 10:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  At 6-7 they are only eligible AFTER all 6-6 teams are selected. And that isn't just Hawaii - an opponent who travels to Hawaii could play a thirteenth game, and if that team were 6-7, they would only be bowl eligible for bowl selection after all 6-6 teams were selected.

There were two more teams with 6 wins (including Hawaii) than bowl slots, before the bowl was added - Hawaii and one 6-6 team were going to stay home. My point wasn't "rule change" it was that the situation when McMurphy wrote that prediction excluded Hawaii from the bowl picture. And then the bowl was added. Hawaii is always an easy prediction for that bowl, when eligible, but it's a tough call to say he whiffed when they were out of the picture before the bowl was added.

I respectfully disagree that Hawaii was behind all the 6-6 teams. I couldn't find that rule anywhere. Only that if you win 6, you're eligible.

And read this comment from the Daily Memphian, which supports my contention:

"The NCAA has added an additional bowl game, which would allow all 84 bowl-eligible teams to compete, according to the report.

McMurphy reported that the Hawai’i Rainbow Warriors (6-7, 3-5 Mountain West) are expected to play in the bowl game against the Tigers on Christmas Eve.

Two of six six-win teams — Ball State, Hawai’i, Miami (Ohio), North Texas, Old Dominion and Wyoming — would have been left without a bowl game without the addition of another game."

https://dailymemphian.com/section/sports...-adds-bowl

*****

Two of the six left out without the extra game. It says nothing about Hawaii having to be one of the two. Show me that in writing, and I will concede, lol.

Hawaii was behind all the 6-6 teams. From the NCAA book (see link, page 6):

***********************
Eligible Teams

An eligible team is defined as one that has won a number of games against Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) opponents that is equal to or greater than the number of its overall losses (e.g., a record of 6-6, or better). Tie or
forfeited games do not count in determining won-lost record.

Insufficient Number of Deserving Teams

If an insufficient number of institutions does not meet the definition of a "deserving team" to participate in postseason bowl games in a particular year, an institution that meets a condition set forth below shall be eligible as an alternate to be selected to participate in such a bowl game after all deserving teams have been selected to participate. All institutions that meet the first condition must be selected before an institution that meets the second condition may be selected and so forth in descending order. The conditions below represents the order in which alternates are identified in the event there are insufficient number of deserving teams:

1. (Snip)

2. An institution that participated in 13 regular-season contests and finished the season with a record of six
wins and seven losses.

*******************

In fact, the first criteria I snipped is for teams that went 6-6, but they aren't eligible because a win is vs an FCS team that they cannot count towards their win totals. So Hawaii would have been behind those teams too, but there were no such teams.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champio...ndbook.pdf

Looks like I spent 24 minutes digging and drafting when you already had posted the right answer.

Good pull on the Handbook. That postseason bowl administration page USED TO have the CFP Revenue distribution numbers, and I must have stopped browsing by there once they stopped releasing that data into the wild.

I spent time looking, too, lol. I'm glad he found that. I still don't get the FCS part for 6 win teams, though, b/c that's one of Memphis' wins.

FBS teams have long been allowed to count ONE win over an FCS team, provided that FCS team provides 90% or more of the scholarships allowed them. Then there are waivers for FBS teams whose 6th win is over an FCS team who DOESN'T offer enough schollies (like if you can show they USUALLY do, but ___ this year). What quo snipped was that a 6-6 team who wasn't eligible because their 6th win was an FCS w too few schollies, and they didn't get a waiver...then there weren't enough eligible, THAT team would be ahead of 6-7 Hawaii, too.

(12-04-2021 01:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 01:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Houston wins will they really drop UC more than 6 spots against a ranked team in a CCG? That’s not how they have moves top 5 teams after a loss this season..

I could see UC remaining in the top 10 and getting a NY6 with how good we’ve been and how we sent 20k plus to ND and how we historically travel to bowls.

But hopefully it’s not something we need to worry about.

Yes, they would. Committee didn't even have Houston ranked for most of their rankings, so they don't think that highly of them.

Not how they've moved top 5 teams? Were those top 5 teams that the committee has been slandering for a weak schedule all season? Or were those top 5 teams that the committee had already been doing mental gymnastics to prop up?
Were those AAC teams? Or contract-bowl conference teams?

IF UH pulls the upset, I'd be astounded to see Cincinnati stay top 10....and the last at-large will probably go before #10 anyway.

What 2 teams are they going to move up into the top 10 over a 1 loss UC and an Oregon who got run off the field again? BYU? An idle MSU? Perhaps. Iowa who is going to get drubbed? Lol.

UC would likely remain in the top 10 even with a loss.