(02-18-2022 09:17 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 07:02 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 06:23 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 05:59 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 05:54 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Yikes, UNCW must hate this, right?

Why?

It’s giving another public NC school “a rub” for hoops. What does UNCW get from it?

Supposedly, CoC and Elon (was to be Davidson) were the peace offerings to UNCW back then. That UNCG and UNCA need not apply. I mean, things change (as it reflects with Stony getting in despite Hofstra). But these moves are just curious.

No offense, but I don’t think CAA was really itching to be MEAC malcontents’ landing spots?

UNCW has been begging for more Southern teams for 20 plus years. While it's not the basketball knockout we would want they are a solid overall athletic program that we can bus.

When the SoCon schools said no the Big South schools were the next best option.

Curious who the #14 add will be. Expecting a Southern non football to balance everything

But with your Big South and SoCon options there, why a MEAC squad for everything? If this was about football, I’m left with more tangential questions about how things are going within ASun or OVC that a CAAF-only invite couldn’t suffice. Like, when did A&T carry such cache?

I mean, maybe UNCG doesn’t want to leave SoCon. But, the HPU’s, UNCA’s, or other southern schools, like Winthrop, USC Upstate…couldn’t happen for them?

A&T is a technically a Big South squad as this is year 1 in the Big South for them.

We needed a southern football school and this was a football driven pick.

SoCon schools have made it clear they are not coming. Time to move on from that.

If the invite was for football only where would A&T house their other sports? Also why would A&T take that or CAA offer that to them?

The CAA still needs a southern non football school to get to 14 for all sports so we may very well see one last pitch to UNCG or a Winthrop or High Point.

(02-17-2022 11:48 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 07:33 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 06:54 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I have lost track of CAA expansion changes. Could someone please list what their FUTURE lineup will look like-- showing schools with FB and without.

Do they have 13 for future FB?

How many teams overall?

Do they have any FB only members?

THANK YOU in advance.

Assuming NC A&T to the CAA, here's what the league will look like in the 2022-23 academic year:

Full members with FB (8): Delaware, Elon, Hampton, Monmouth, NC A&T, Stony Brook, Towson, William & Mary
FB-only members (6): Albany, Maine, New Hampshire, Richmond, Rhode Island, Villanova
Full members w/o FB (5): Charleston, Drexel, Hofstra, Northeastern, UNC Wilmington

Total full members = 13
Total FB members = 14

I expect they'll add a non-FB member to even that 13 out to 14.

You've got to question why Stony Brook agreed to go CAA if its on the heels of adding Hampton and NCA&T.

The conference doesn't seem to have much direction beyond adding the most viable members that will say yes.

Its a very untraditional type of alignment to have Stony Brook in with Monmouth and NC A&T in with UNCW. Speaks of WAC style desperation. Its a conference very lacking in cultural similarities at the moment.

I was thinking somerhing along the same lines. This doesn't look like a group of peers for Stony Brook.

(02-18-2022 08:22 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UNC-Pembroke is the best candidate to go into the Big South.

There aren't any high schools in NC that want to move up to the Big South Conference?

(02-18-2022 09:40 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:48 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 07:33 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 06:54 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I have lost track of CAA expansion changes. Could someone please list what their FUTURE lineup will look like-- showing schools with FB and without.

Do they have 13 for future FB?

How many teams overall?

Do they have any FB only members?

THANK YOU in advance.

Assuming NC A&T to the CAA, here's what the league will look like in the 2022-23 academic year:

Full members with FB (8): Delaware, Elon, Hampton, Monmouth, NC A&T, Stony Brook, Towson, William & Mary
FB-only members (6): Albany, Maine, New Hampshire, Richmond, Rhode Island, Villanova
Full members w/o FB (5): Charleston, Drexel, Hofstra, Northeastern, UNC Wilmington

Total full members = 13
Total FB members = 14

I expect they'll add a non-FB member to even that 13 out to 14.

You've got to question why Stony Brook agreed to go CAA if its on the heels of adding Hampton and NCA&T.

The conference doesn't seem to have much direction beyond adding the most viable members that will say yes.

Its a very untraditional type of alignment to have Stony Brook in with Monmouth and NC A&T in with UNCW. Speaks of WAC style desperation. Its a conference very lacking in cultural similarities at the moment.

I was thinking something along the same lines. This doesn't look like a group of peers for Stony Brook.

View the north and the south as two separate conferences that share an auto bid.

They get to take advantage of each other's location for recruiting (both athletic and non athletic) while incurring minimal travel costs.

solohawks is 100% right. At this point, the North is pretty solidified: Delaware, Towson, Stony Brook, Monmouth, Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel. That's Stony Brook's group of peers that should be judged. The southern schools should be viewed as providing the additional membership that keeps this alignment of 7 schools stable.

Divisions in the CAA have been a long time coming, and JMU's departure was just the domino that set it off. Going forward, every addition will be with an eye on strengthening each individual division.

(02-18-2022 09:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 08:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:19 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 05:37 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  https://hbcugameday.com/2022/02/17/nc-at...ve-to-caa/

IMO, neither NCAT or Hampton should have left the MEAC.

This musical chairs is the result.

They wanted to expand their brand and play more games closer to their school and alumni base.

Oh I don't doubt that the admins at NCAT and Hampton have their reasons for leaving the MEAC for the Big South and now the CAA, I just question whether they made the right decision. IMO, they are best served in the MEAC.

I actually think with the extra cache the CAA will bring- I think both Hampton and A&T could do really well.

FWIW, I think the MEAC is a better-known conference than the CAA. Being a top HBCU conference makes it distinctive. The CAA is just a faceless ordinary FCS type conference, IMO.

(02-18-2022 10:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 09:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 08:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:19 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, neither NCAT or Hampton should have left the MEAC.

This musical chairs is the result.

They wanted to expand their brand and play more games closer to their school and alumni base.

Oh I don't doubt that the admins at NCAT and Hampton have their reasons for leaving the MEAC for the Big South and now the CAA, I just question whether they made the right decision. IMO, they are best served in the MEAC.

I actually think with the extra cache the CAA will bring- I think both Hampton and A&T could do really well.

FWIW, I think the MEAC is a better-known conference than the CAA. Being a top HBCU conference makes it distinctive. The CAA is just a faceless ordinary FCS type conference, IMO.

CAA is on TV FAR more than the MEAC. I don't think either really moves the needle that much, but TV matters in that case.

(02-18-2022 10:00 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 09:40 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:48 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 07:33 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 06:54 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I have lost track of CAA expansion changes. Could someone please list what their FUTURE lineup will look like-- showing schools with FB and without.

Do they have 13 for future FB?

How many teams overall?

Do they have any FB only members?

THANK YOU in advance.

Assuming NC A&T to the CAA, here's what the league will look like in the 2022-23 academic year:

Full members with FB (8): Delaware, Elon, Hampton, Monmouth, NC A&T, Stony Brook, Towson, William & Mary
FB-only members (6): Albany, Maine, New Hampshire, Richmond, Rhode Island, Villanova
Full members w/o FB (5): Charleston, Drexel, Hofstra, Northeastern, UNC Wilmington

Total full members = 13
Total FB members = 14

I expect they'll add a non-FB member to even that 13 out to 14.

You've got to question why Stony Brook agreed to go CAA if its on the heels of adding Hampton and NCA&T.

The conference doesn't seem to have much direction beyond adding the most viable members that will say yes.

Its a very untraditional type of alignment to have Stony Brook in with Monmouth and NC A&T in with UNCW. Speaks of WAC style desperation. Its a conference very lacking in cultural similarities at the moment.

I was thinking something along the same lines. This doesn't look like a group of peers for Stony Brook.

View the north and the south as two separate conferences that share an auto bid.

They get to take advantage of each other's location for recruiting (both athletic and non athletic) while incurring minimal travel costs.

The whole premise of the CAA since it branched out to add Northeast schools was that it was to be like the MVC of the Mid-Atlantic, a 1-2 bid conference that was annually Top 10ish.

MVC<A10 was to equal CAA>A10. This is why schools were moving out of their regional conferences to join it.

What they are doing now is taking in almost anyone to survive. There is no way that you can equate the CAA's basketball additions of Stony Brook, Monmouth, Hampton and NC A&T with the MVC's additions of UIC, Murray and Belmont.

CAA might as well fold and let everyone find a regional home at this point.

(02-18-2022 11:10 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 10:00 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 09:40 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:48 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 07:33 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Assuming NC A&T to the CAA, here's what the league will look like in the 2022-23 academic year:

Full members with FB (8): Delaware, Elon, Hampton, Monmouth, NC A&T, Stony Brook, Towson, William & Mary
FB-only members (6): Albany, Maine, New Hampshire, Richmond, Rhode Island, Villanova
Full members w/o FB (5): Charleston, Drexel, Hofstra, Northeastern, UNC Wilmington

Total full members = 13
Total FB members = 14

I expect they'll add a non-FB member to even that 13 out to 14.

You've got to question why Stony Brook agreed to go CAA if its on the heels of adding Hampton and NCA&T.

The conference doesn't seem to have much direction beyond adding the most viable members that will say yes.

Its a very untraditional type of alignment to have Stony Brook in with Monmouth and NC A&T in with UNCW. Speaks of WAC style desperation. Its a conference very lacking in cultural similarities at the moment.

I was thinking something along the same lines. This doesn't look like a group of peers for Stony Brook.

View the north and the south as two separate conferences that share an auto bid.

They get to take advantage of each other's location for recruiting (both athletic and non athletic) while incurring minimal travel costs.

The whole premise of the CAA since it branched out to add Northeast schools was that it was to be like the MVC of the Mid-Atlantic, a 1-2 bid conference that was annually Top 10ish.

MVC<A10 was to equal CAA>A10. This is why schools were moving out of their regional conferences to join it.

What they are doing now is taking in almost anyone to survive. There is no way that you can equate the CAA's basketball additions of Stony Brook, Monmouth, Hampton and NC A&T with the MVC's additions of UIC, Murray and Belmont.

CAA might as well fold and let everyone find a regional home at this point.

The CAA emphasized FCS football and all sports membership whereas all MVC adds have been prioritizing basketball

Future: Charleston, Delaware, Drexel, Elon, Hampton, Hofstra, Monmouth, NC A&T, UNC Wilmington, Northeastern, Stony Brook, Towson, William & Mary

Year 2000: American, East Carolina, George Mason, UNC Wilmington, Old Dominion, Richmond, Virginia Commonwealth, William & Mary

14 team, two division setup is fine for a multi-bid league. But for this 1-bid CAA, it is unacceptable. If the CAA can be a consistent top-10 RPI conference like it was in 2016, then maybe it'll work out, but man...

There was no reason to expand past 12 for basketball. Yes, you had 13 for football, but you could have just added an affiliate.

(02-17-2022 11:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 05:37 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  https://hbcugameday.com/2022/02/17/nc-at...ve-to-caa/

IMO, neither NCAT or Hampton should have left the MEAC.

This musical chairs is the result.

NCAT has aspirations beyond HBCU conference. They have a very loyal fanbase of alum and locals in the Triad area.

It would hurt App football, but i'd be stoked for A&T to become the first HBCU in FBS, i have a colleague who is an alum (she also wished they stayed in the MEAC).

I think the UNC System should wise up and combine UNCG and A&T under the A&T banner and create a powerhouse public school in the triad. The campuses are 2 miles apart and there are so many redundancies that can be saved and put back into instruction and research.

(02-18-2022 11:39 AM)WolfCrashpad Wrote:  14 team, two division setup is fine for a multi-bid league. But for this 1-bid CAA, it is unacceptable. If the CAA can be a consistent top-10 RPI conference like it was in 2016, then maybe it'll work out, but man...

There was no reason to expand past 12 for basketball. Yes, you had 13 for football, but you could have just added an affiliate.

Whether 10, 12 or 14 1 bid League leaders still have to win 3 games in March

(02-18-2022 11:48 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 05:37 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  https://hbcugameday.com/2022/02/17/nc-at...ve-to-caa/

IMO, neither NCAT or Hampton should have left the MEAC.

This musical chairs is the result.

NCAT has aspirations beyond HBCU conference. They have a very loyal fanbase of alum and locals in the Triad area.

It would hurt App football, but i'd be stoked for A&T to become the first HBCU in FBS, i have a colleague who is an alum (she also wished they stayed in the MEAC).

I think the UNC System should wise up and combine UNCG and A&T under the A&T banner and create a powerhouse public school in the triad. The campuses are 2 miles apart and there are so many redundancies that can be saved and put back into instruction and research.

I just wonder whose aspirations those are. I know the admins are thinking that way, but I have talked to two NCAT alums, and both thing leaving the MEAC was a bad move. That's not exactly a representative sample size (LOL), but still.

(02-18-2022 11:39 AM)WolfCrashpad Wrote:  14 team, two division setup is fine for a multi-bid league. But for this 1-bid CAA, it is unacceptable. If the CAA can be a consistent top-10 RPI conference like it was in 2016, then maybe it'll work out, but man...

There was no reason to expand past 12 for basketball. Yes, you had 13 for football, but you could have just added an affiliate.

Hey, this is your future conference home we’re talking about here…

(02-18-2022 12:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 11:39 AM)WolfCrashpad Wrote:  14 team, two division setup is fine for a multi-bid league. But for this 1-bid CAA, it is unacceptable. If the CAA can be a consistent top-10 RPI conference like it was in 2016, then maybe it'll work out, but man...

There was no reason to expand past 12 for basketball. Yes, you had 13 for football, but you could have just added an affiliate.

Hey, this is your future conference home we’re talking about here…

When Stony Brook was accepted into this just 3 weeks ago, the outcome was looking far different. I was over the moon about the idea of Stony Brook moving to a 12-team CAA.

14-team decreases my excitement a little. It's still 10x times better than being in the America East, though.

The KenPoms for when the CAA was the #9 rated conference:

83. UNC Wilmington
87. William & Mary
91. James Madison
92. Hofstra
122. Charleston
132. Northeastern
152. Towson
160. Elon
245. Drexel
275. Delaware

The CAA was actually the #8 RPI conference in 2016 — ahead of the AAC.

This new CAA has no real identity. A hybrid of FB only schools with non-football schools, private vs. public, geography from Maine to SC. Not sure this works long term.

(02-18-2022 12:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 11:48 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 05:37 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  https://hbcugameday.com/2022/02/17/nc-at...ve-to-caa/

IMO, neither NCAT or Hampton should have left the MEAC.

This musical chairs is the result.

NCAT has aspirations beyond HBCU conference. They have a very loyal fanbase of alum and locals in the Triad area.

It would hurt App football, but i'd be stoked for A&T to become the first HBCU in FBS, i have a colleague who is an alum (she also wished they stayed in the MEAC).

I think the UNC System should wise up and combine UNCG and A&T under the A&T banner and create a powerhouse public school in the triad. The campuses are 2 miles apart and there are so many redundancies that can be saved and put back into instruction and research.

I just wonder whose aspirations those are. I know the admins are thinking that way, but I have talked to two NCAT alums, and both thing leaving the MEAC was a bad move. That's not exactly a representative sample size (LOL), but still.

I would imagine even suggesting that a successful HBCU merge with a regional UNC campus would create a political sh!tstorm from Greensboro to Raleigh and all points in between.

With respect to who should be the 14th member, the presence of A&T in Greensboro, plus Elon being only 18 miles away, makes me question why the CAA would be interested in adding UNC-G or even High Point, which is only 17 miles from A&T's campus. I think the A&T/Elon duo would give you enough exposure in the Triad. If it were up to me, the candidates for #14 would be, in this order:

1) Winthrop - in the Charlotte Metro Area, public school, compliments CofC and has had basketball success. Would also give you 2 SC schools, 3 NC schools, and 2 VA schools in the Southern Division for balance.

2) UNC-Asheville - great city, not much success on the court but would be a desirable place for visiting fans, a public school within the footprint, and still a bus trip for CofC, A&T, UNC-W, & Elon.

3) Lipscomb - extremely desirable city, decent track record in MBB. May be too far outside the footprint but there are plenty of commercial flights to Nashville.

4) High Point - beautiful new arena, but a private school and would be doubly-duplicative given A&T and Elon already being in the league.

5) Radford/Longwood - eh... maybe stick at 13 teams instead.