I'm looking for ESPN to maximize their investment in the SEC and the ACC.

If the SEC goes to 18 with Miami and Florida State, it puts tremendous pressure o the B1G. All it would take to cement the North Carolina and Virginia schools would be for ESPN to guarantee reasonable compensation and the B1G would be rejected regardless of the monetary lure.
So what could the B1G do without going west?
1. invite Boston College, gives the B1G the entire NE corridor (Boston to DC)
2. invite Pitt (Notre Dame lure if to goal is to go to 20, AAU, lies directly between Ohio State and Penn State)
3. invite Kansas (AAU, basketball blueblood, links B1G to PAC).
4. invite Iowa State (AAU, highest attendance in the Big 12 w/o Oklahoma and Texas in the conference)

ACC at 10
Does the Big 12 survive? Is there still a P5 or a P2 and three dwarfs?

(03-06-2022 04:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm looking for ESPN to maximize their investment in the SEC and the ACC.

If the SEC goes to 18 with Miami and Florida State, it puts tremendous pressure o the B1G. All it would take to cement the North Carolina and Virginia schools would be for ESPN to guarantee reasonable compensation and the B1G would be rejected regardless of the monetary lure.
So what could the B1G do without going west?
1. invite Boston College, gives the B1G the entire NE corridor (Boston to DC)
2. invite Pitt (Notre Dame lure if to goal is to go to 20, AAU, lies directly between Ohio State and Penn State)
3. invite Kansas (AAU, basketball blueblood, links B1G to PAC).
4. invite Iowa State (AAU, highest attendance in the Big 12 w/o Oklahoma and Texas in the conference)

ACC at 10
Does the Big 12 survive? Is there still a P5 or a P2 and three dwarfs?

I must not understand what you mean by "maximize their investment in... the ACC". Removing both Florida schools would GUT the ACC.

(03-08-2022 10:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-06-2022 04:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm looking for ESPN to maximize their investment in the SEC and the ACC.

If the SEC goes to 18 with Miami and Florida State, it puts tremendous pressure o the B1G. All it would take to cement the North Carolina and Virginia schools would be for ESPN to guarantee reasonable compensation and the B1G would be rejected regardless of the monetary lure.
So what could the B1G do without going west?
1. invite Boston College, gives the B1G the entire NE corridor (Boston to DC)
2. invite Pitt (Notre Dame lure if to goal is to go to 20, AAU, lies directly between Ohio State and Penn State)
3. invite Kansas (AAU, basketball blueblood, links B1G to PAC).
4. invite Iowa State (AAU, highest attendance in the Big 12 w/o Oklahoma and Texas in the conference)

ACC at 10
Does the Big 12 survive? Is there still a P5 or a P2 and three dwarfs?

I must not understand what you mean by "maximize their investment in... the ACC". Removing both Florida schools would GUT the ACC.

I agree. Personally, I think ESPN should want the ACC to grab Cincy and WVU from the Big 12 and go to 9 conference games to give them a bit of a pay raise to create the gap between themselves and the Big 12/Pac-12 and try to close the gap on the B1G and SEC (obviously won't be equal). This would be an attempt to try to prevent the B1G from raiding the ACC in a decade.

The SEC (probably fantasy for at least this paragraph) maybe snag Kansas and OSU (probably won't add much value if any, but could help ESPN start a chain reaction that could benefit their network). This will weaken the Big 12, but won't kill it. This is if ESPN still has partial interest in the Big 12 at a discount potentially or if ESPN can get more West Coast/late night content from additional Big 12 expansion.

Big 12 would respond with the 4 next rumored candidates with Boise, Memphis, SMU, and USF as replacements. If they expand further, I think they could go after MWC schools (non-ESPN property) targeting at CSU, SDSU, Fresno St., and UNLV to go to 14-16 teams, but that part of expansion would probably depend on their value.

AAC, while sightly weakened, would likely target FIU, LA Tech, and Liberty to maintain 14 members with 2 geographical divisions and avoid hurting SBC value. AAC could go with FIU only though to 12 teams if they wish to maintain city schools only outside of ECU. ESPN could try to get a discount on AAC content since the AAC would lose 3 of their next best teams.

MTSU and WKU would then flee C-USA to join the MAC, which would support ESPN's weeknight content and expand the MAC footprint a bit. NMSU and UTEP would probably end up in the MWC by that point depending on Big 12 expansion while SHSU and JSU would likely return to the WAC and ASUN respectively at least in olympic sports.

(03-06-2022 04:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm looking for ESPN to maximize their investment in the SEC and the ACC.

If the SEC goes to 18 with Miami and Florida State, it puts tremendous pressure o the B1G. All it would take to cement the North Carolina and Virginia schools would be for ESPN to guarantee reasonable compensation and the B1G would be rejected regardless of the monetary lure.
So what could the B1G do without going west?
1. invite Boston College, gives the B1G the entire NE corridor (Boston to DC)
2. invite Pitt (Notre Dame lure if to goal is to go to 20, AAU, lies directly between Ohio State and Penn State)
3. invite Kansas (AAU, basketball blueblood, links B1G to PAC).
4. invite Iowa State (AAU, highest attendance in the Big 12 w/o Oklahoma and Texas in the conference)

ACC at 10
Does the Big 12 survive? Is there still a P5 or a P2 and three dwarfs?

BC doesn't do much for the B1G; same thing with Pitt. Kansas is an intriguing option to me at least. Don't know what the B1G actually thinks.

UConn is another intriguing option, but the B1G definitely wouldn't be getting much of anything for football. Basketball yes, and maybe hockey.
The B1G could do what Statefan has suggested before, and make a play for NC State. But what team would provide the bridge from Maryland to NC State?? I doubt UVa goes for it, unless they really want to renew their rivalry with the Terps of Maryland, even over playing the UNC Tar Heels. Virginia Tech is another possibility, but they really don't strike me as a "B1G" type of a team, like NC State kinda does. Out of the box possibility:
Old Dominion. No doubt ODU would accept (anything P5 is better than G5), but just about every other P5 conference would say that the B1G was really scraping the bottom of the barrel on that one. It would link the B1G to NC State though.

(03-06-2022 04:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm looking for ESPN to maximize their investment in the SEC and the ACC.

If the SEC goes to 18 with Miami and Florida State, it puts tremendous pressure o the B1G. All it would take to cement the North Carolina and Virginia schools would be for ESPN to guarantee reasonable compensation and the B1G would be rejected regardless of the monetary lure.
So what could the B1G do without going west?
1. invite Boston College, gives the B1G the entire NE corridor (Boston to DC)
2. invite Pitt (Notre Dame lure if to goal is to go to 20, AAU, lies directly between Ohio State and Penn State)
3. invite Kansas (AAU, basketball blueblood, links B1G to PAC).
4. invite Iowa State (AAU, highest attendance in the Big 12 w/o Oklahoma and Texas in the conference)

ACC at 10
Does the Big 12 survive? Is there still a P5 or a P2 and three dwarfs?

Just doing some quick back of the envelope math, if the next B1G contract is worth $60 million per team, then adding those four schools could reduce that to closer to $50 million per team. I can't see the B1G doing that while also diminishing its stature competitively in football at the same time.

(03-10-2022 08:52 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-06-2022 04:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm looking for ESPN to maximize their investment in the SEC and the ACC.

If the SEC goes to 18 with Miami and Florida State, it puts tremendous pressure o the B1G. All it would take to cement the North Carolina and Virginia schools would be for ESPN to guarantee reasonable compensation and the B1G would be rejected regardless of the monetary lure.
So what could the B1G do without going west?
1. invite Boston College, gives the B1G the entire NE corridor (Boston to DC)
2. invite Pitt (Notre Dame lure if to goal is to go to 20, AAU, lies directly between Ohio State and Penn State)
3. invite Kansas (AAU, basketball blueblood, links B1G to PAC).
4. invite Iowa State (AAU, highest attendance in the Big 12 w/o Oklahoma and Texas in the conference)

ACC at 10
Does the Big 12 survive? Is there still a P5 or a P2 and three dwarfs?

Just doing some quick back of the envelope math, if the next B1G contract is worth $60 million per team, then adding those four schools could reduce that to closer to $50 million per team. I can't see the B1G doing that while also diminishing its stature competitively in football at the same time.

Well the B1G is kinda stuck when it comes to enhancing it's football stature. Where would they go to find another football school?

JR suggests that the only football properties in the ACC are Miami, FSU and Clemson. None of which are B1G clones.
Everything else is "out west". Is stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific too far for one conference?
Maryland and Rutgers weren't football powerhouses, but they did enhance revenue.
So, first what does the B1G want: AAU schools or schools that can help them keep up with the SEC in revenue? Do they need the same number of teams in the B1G as there are in the SEC?
If you are going for the money, you would have to move on the area that had the most people (that would be east and not west).
Realistically the four best adds for the B1G to maximize eyeballs in states that are contiguous and are somewhat culturally similar would be: Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt and Notre Dame.
The only way to get a value on that lineup would have to come from FOX/BTN, but that grouping makes a lot more sense than the B1G trying to reach down into Virginia and North Carolina to entice schools that would really prefer not to have to deal with yankees.

(03-10-2022 12:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 08:52 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-06-2022 04:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm looking for ESPN to maximize their investment in the SEC and the ACC.

If the SEC goes to 18 with Miami and Florida State, it puts tremendous pressure o the B1G. All it would take to cement the North Carolina and Virginia schools would be for ESPN to guarantee reasonable compensation and the B1G would be rejected regardless of the monetary lure.
So what could the B1G do without going west?
1. invite Boston College, gives the B1G the entire NE corridor (Boston to DC)
2. invite Pitt (Notre Dame lure if to goal is to go to 20, AAU, lies directly between Ohio State and Penn State)
3. invite Kansas (AAU, basketball blueblood, links B1G to PAC).
4. invite Iowa State (AAU, highest attendance in the Big 12 w/o Oklahoma and Texas in the conference)

ACC at 10
Does the Big 12 survive? Is there still a P5 or a P2 and three dwarfs?

Just doing some quick back of the envelope math, if the next B1G contract is worth $60 million per team, then adding those four schools could reduce that to closer to $50 million per team. I can't see the B1G doing that while also diminishing its stature competitively in football at the same time.

Well the B1G is kinda stuck when it comes to enhancing it's football stature. Where would they go to find another football school?

JR suggests that the only football properties in the ACC are Miami, FSU and Clemson. None of which are B1G clones.
Everything else is "out west". Is stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific too far for one conference?
Maryland and Rutgers weren't football powerhouses, but they did enhance revenue.
So, first what does the B1G want: AAU schools or schools that can help them keep up with the SEC in revenue? Do they need the same number of teams in the B1G as there are in the SEC?
If you are going for the money, you would have to move on the area that had the most people (that would be east and not west).
Realistically the four best adds for the B1G to maximize eyeballs in states that are contiguous and are somewhat culturally similar would be: Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt and Notre Dame.
The only way to get a value on that lineup would have to come from FOX/BTN, but that grouping makes a lot more sense than the B1G trying to reach down into Virginia and North Carolina to entice schools that would really prefer not to have to deal with yankees.

Translation: NIMBY