(03-11-2022 07:54 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:49 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:44 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:39 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:21 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  I also took a glance at their board and it’s funny a league with a Monday happy hour championship time slot is mocking another league. Hell even with that pitiful time slot they couldn’t even get ESPN, relegated to the deuce. Real sad.

Any idea why CBSSN relegates the C-USA semis to early afternoon while people are working and the MAC (a league they only sublicense) gets the evening time slots?

My guess is they didn’t want to break up the womens games and have one at 11 and one at 8:30 and you aren’t bumping the MWC out of their 8 pm slot. So that only leaves the first two games.

MWC on CBSSN isn't on until 9:30 tonight.

As for the SB championship. 7EST is a pitiful time slot now? And ESPN and ESPN2 are both in just over 78M homes. Not sure how being on 2 is any different from an exposure standpoint.

If we had the MAC Slots you could not play both games before or after. I’m assuming they don’t want mens and womens basketball games going on simultaneously from an attendance perspective. If you play one womens game early and another one late, it creates a potential advantage for the team who got the rest of the day to rest.

I guess the only potential solution was have the women start at 10 this morning so they would have been wrapped up for a potential 4 pm start time.

From a SB perspective, I’m just pointing out the irony of mocking another league while you were relegated to a Monday evening alongside the Horizon, Summitt etc.

You were also mocking the time and channel. I'm just saying 7pm on a channel in the same amount of homes as ESPN doesn't make much sense.

Especially when the CUSA semis are on before said happy hour and the CUSA championship is on a channel in 20M less homes than ESPN2.

(03-11-2022 08:06 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:54 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:49 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:44 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:39 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Any idea why CBSSN relegates the C-USA semis to early afternoon while people are working and the MAC (a league they only sublicense) gets the evening time slots?

My guess is they didn’t want to break up the womens games and have one at 11 and one at 8:30 and you aren’t bumping the MWC out of their 8 pm slot. So that only leaves the first two games.

MWC on CBSSN isn't on until 9:30 tonight.

As for the SB championship. 7EST is a pitiful time slot now? And ESPN and ESPN2 are both in just over 78M homes. Not sure how being on 2 is any different from an exposure standpoint.

If we had the MAC Slots you could not play both games before or after. I’m assuming they don’t want mens and womens basketball games going on simultaneously from an attendance perspective. If you play one womens game early and another one late, it creates a potential advantage for the team who got the rest of the day to rest.

I guess the only potential solution was have the women start at 10 this morning so they would have been wrapped up for a potential 4 pm start time.

From a SB perspective, I’m just pointing out the irony of mocking another league while you were relegated to a Monday evening alongside the Horizon, Summitt etc.

You were also mocking the time and channel. I'm just saying 7pm on a channel in the same amount of homes as ESPN doesn't make much sense.

Especially when the CUSA semis are on before said happy hour and the CUSA championship is on a channel in 20M less homes than ESPN2.

My mocking was in response. If you want to join in on the C-USA bashing, there is a home for that on Sun Belt BBS.

This is the conference USA board and when another league attacks us we have every right to defend ourselves on our board. People seem to think this is a neutral forum for debate while they can bash away on the SBC board. You can’t have it both ways.

The Sun Belt semi-finals were on ESPN+ because nobody wants to watch it. Our quarterfinals on stadium are a better production than ESPN+. It was a week before because it can’t compete with other leagues and it’s bad basketball. Conference USA’s championship is on cable tv during prime time while all of the big boys are also playing. Much better deal.

(03-11-2022 08:26 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 08:06 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:54 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:49 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:44 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  My guess is they didn’t want to break up the womens games and have one at 11 and one at 8:30 and you aren’t bumping the MWC out of their 8 pm slot. So that only leaves the first two games.

MWC on CBSSN isn't on until 9:30 tonight.

As for the SB championship. 7EST is a pitiful time slot now? And ESPN and ESPN2 are both in just over 78M homes. Not sure how being on 2 is any different from an exposure standpoint.

If we had the MAC Slots you could not play both games before or after. I’m assuming they don’t want mens and womens basketball games going on simultaneously from an attendance perspective. If you play one womens game early and another one late, it creates a potential advantage for the team who got the rest of the day to rest.

I guess the only potential solution was have the women start at 10 this morning so they would have been wrapped up for a potential 4 pm start time.

From a SB perspective, I’m just pointing out the irony of mocking another league while you were relegated to a Monday evening alongside the Horizon, Summitt etc.

You were also mocking the time and channel. I'm just saying 7pm on a channel in the same amount of homes as ESPN doesn't make much sense.

Especially when the CUSA semis are on before said happy hour and the CUSA championship is on a channel in 20M less homes than ESPN2.

My mocking was in response. If you want to join in on the C-USA bashing, there is a home for that on Sun Belt BBS.

This is the conference USA board and when another league attacks us we have every right to defend ourselves on our board. People seem to think this is a neutral forum for debate while they can bash away on the SBC board. You can’t have it both ways.

The Sun Belt semi-finals were on ESPN+ because nobody wants to watch it. Our quarterfinals on stadium are a better production than ESPN+. It was a week before because it can’t compete with other leagues and it’s bad basketball. Conference USA’s championship is on cable tv during prime time while all of the big boys are also playing. Much better deal.

Who was attacking you? You can defend against whatever perceived slight you read. And I can point out the nonsensical nature of your argument.

(03-11-2022 08:37 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 08:26 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 08:06 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:54 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:49 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  MWC on CBSSN isn't on until 9:30 tonight.

As for the SB championship. 7EST is a pitiful time slot now? And ESPN and ESPN2 are both in just over 78M homes. Not sure how being on 2 is any different from an exposure standpoint.

If we had the MAC Slots you could not play both games before or after. I’m assuming they don’t want mens and womens basketball games going on simultaneously from an attendance perspective. If you play one womens game early and another one late, it creates a potential advantage for the team who got the rest of the day to rest.

I guess the only potential solution was have the women start at 10 this morning so they would have been wrapped up for a potential 4 pm start time.

From a SB perspective, I’m just pointing out the irony of mocking another league while you were relegated to a Monday evening alongside the Horizon, Summitt etc.

You were also mocking the time and channel. I'm just saying 7pm on a channel in the same amount of homes as ESPN doesn't make much sense.

Especially when the CUSA semis are on before said happy hour and the CUSA championship is on a channel in 20M less homes than ESPN2.

My mocking was in response. If you want to join in on the C-USA bashing, there is a home for that on Sun Belt BBS.

This is the conference USA board and when another league attacks us we have every right to defend ourselves on our board. People seem to think this is a neutral forum for debate while they can bash away on the SBC board. You can’t have it both ways.

The Sun Belt semi-finals were on ESPN+ because nobody wants to watch it. Our quarterfinals on stadium are a better production than ESPN+. It was a week before because it can’t compete with other leagues and it’s bad basketball. Conference USA’s championship is on cable tv during prime time while all of the big boys are also playing. Much better deal.

Who was attacking you? You can defend against whatever perceived slight you read. And I can point out the nonsensical nature of your argument.

It was an attack on our conference that was laughable and lacked complete self awareness. I brought it to our conference board.

If you can’t see the irony of a conference with crappy tv coverage mocking a conference with better tv coverage I don’t know what to tell you.

Don’t like it? Join the SBC circle jerk. You guys can’t wait to be gone and we can’t wait for you to go.

(03-11-2022 08:49 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 08:37 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 08:26 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 08:06 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:54 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  If we had the MAC Slots you could not play both games before or after. I’m assuming they don’t want mens and womens basketball games going on simultaneously from an attendance perspective. If you play one womens game early and another one late, it creates a potential advantage for the team who got the rest of the day to rest.

I guess the only potential solution was have the women start at 10 this morning so they would have been wrapped up for a potential 4 pm start time.

From a SB perspective, I’m just pointing out the irony of mocking another league while you were relegated to a Monday evening alongside the Horizon, Summitt etc.

You were also mocking the time and channel. I'm just saying 7pm on a channel in the same amount of homes as ESPN doesn't make much sense.

Especially when the CUSA semis are on before said happy hour and the CUSA championship is on a channel in 20M less homes than ESPN2.

My mocking was in response. If you want to join in on the C-USA bashing, there is a home for that on Sun Belt BBS.

This is the conference USA board and when another league attacks us we have every right to defend ourselves on our board. People seem to think this is a neutral forum for debate while they can bash away on the SBC board. You can’t have it both ways.

The Sun Belt semi-finals were on ESPN+ because nobody wants to watch it. Our quarterfinals on stadium are a better production than ESPN+. It was a week before because it can’t compete with other leagues and it’s bad basketball. Conference USA’s championship is on cable tv during prime time while all of the big boys are also playing. Much better deal.

Who was attacking you? You can defend against whatever perceived slight you read. And I can point out the nonsensical nature of your argument.

It was an attack on our conference that was laughable and lacked complete self awareness. I brought it to our conference board.

If you can’t see the irony of a conference with crappy tv coverage mocking a conference with better tv coverage I don’t know what to tell you.

Don’t like it? Join the SBC circle jerk. You guys can’t wait to be gone and we can’t wait for you to go.

I don't even know what thread you're referring to over there. I was just pointing out that mocking a championship at 7pm (the normal EST start time for every game in America) on ESPN2 (in 78M homes, the same as ESPN) made no sense. Which is what your original post attempted to do.

(03-11-2022 07:39 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:21 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  I also took a glance at their board and it’s funny a league with a Monday happy hour championship time slot is mocking another league. Hell even with that pitiful time slot they couldn’t even get ESPN, relegated to the deuce. Real sad.

Any idea why CBSSN relegates the C-USA semis to early afternoon while people are working and the MAC (a league they only sublicense) gets the evening time slots?

MAC is a more prestigious conference, simple as that.

The MAC prestigious? Not around here. No one gives a rat's patoot about the MAC. I had to look it up and the top two teams in hoops this year are Toledo and Kent State. I hold a certificate from Toledo's graduate school of business, online program, pretty rigorous too! And I kind have adopted the Rockets as one of the teams I root for.

The MAC is the MAC. The one thing it does have going for it is stability. But the general college sports' fanbase does not equate the MAC with prestige. No way.

How has the MAC representative fared in the Big Dance over the last decade or so?

Any MAC at-larges recently ?

(03-11-2022 07:39 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:21 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  I also took a glance at their board and it’s funny a league with a Monday happy hour championship time slot is mocking another league. Hell even with that pitiful time slot they couldn’t even get ESPN, relegated to the deuce. Real sad.

Any idea why CBSSN relegates the C-USA semis to early afternoon while people are working and the MAC (a league they only sublicense) gets the evening time slots?

I guess you havent watched the CUSA Tourney much....

semis are played early most years. Gives teams more time to recover for the championship game .

(03-11-2022 08:06 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:54 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:49 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:44 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:39 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Any idea why CBSSN relegates the C-USA semis to early afternoon while people are working and the MAC (a league they only sublicense) gets the evening time slots?

My guess is they didn’t want to break up the womens games and have one at 11 and one at 8:30 and you aren’t bumping the MWC out of their 8 pm slot. So that only leaves the first two games.

MWC on CBSSN isn't on until 9:30 tonight.

As for the SB championship. 7EST is a pitiful time slot now? And ESPN and ESPN2 are both in just over 78M homes. Not sure how being on 2 is any different from an exposure standpoint.

If we had the MAC Slots you could not play both games before or after. I’m assuming they don’t want mens and womens basketball games going on simultaneously from an attendance perspective. If you play one womens game early and another one late, it creates a potential advantage for the team who got the rest of the day to rest.

I guess the only potential solution was have the women start at 10 this morning so they would have been wrapped up for a potential 4 pm start time.

From a SB perspective, I’m just pointing out the irony of mocking another league while you were relegated to a Monday evening alongside the Horizon, Summitt etc.

You were also mocking the time and channel. I'm just saying 7pm on a channel in the same amount of homes as ESPN doesn't make much sense.

Especially when the CUSA semis are on before said happy hour and the CUSA championship is on a channel in 20M less homes than ESPN2.

If they are in about the same amount of homes explain to us why football games on espn gets 2 to 3x the amount of eyes as espn2? Its not the same no matter how many homes they are in.

(03-11-2022 09:49 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:39 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:21 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  I also took a glance at their board and it’s funny a league with a Monday happy hour championship time slot is mocking another league. Hell even with that pitiful time slot they couldn’t even get ESPN, relegated to the deuce. Real sad.

Any idea why CBSSN relegates the C-USA semis to early afternoon while people are working and the MAC (a league they only sublicense) gets the evening time slots?

I guess you havent watched the CUSA Tourney much....

semis are played early most years. Gives teams more time to recover for the championship game .

I've watched every year. And it always annoyed me the MAC got the better windows in the semis. It's just not a good look to play while most people are working. It gives the perception that the evening games would do better numbers. And maybe that's really it.

(03-11-2022 09:55 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 09:49 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:39 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 07:21 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  I also took a glance at their board and it’s funny a league with a Monday happy hour championship time slot is mocking another league. Hell even with that pitiful time slot they couldn’t even get ESPN, relegated to the deuce. Real sad.

Any idea why CBSSN relegates the C-USA semis to early afternoon while people are working and the MAC (a league they only sublicense) gets the evening time slots?

I guess you havent watched the CUSA Tourney much....

semis are played early most years. Gives teams more time to recover for the championship game .

I've watched every year. And it always annoyed me the MAC got the better windows. It's just not a good look to play while most people are working. It gives the perception that the evening games would do better numbers. And maybe that's really it.

To be honest I couldnt tell you which channel carried CUSA semis or finials...

this will make the first time in 12 years (SBC/CUSA) that I was not in the stands watching

If my research is accurate, the MAC MBB history in the NCAA is no better than CUSA and may be less impressive. "between 1991 and 2012, the MAC reached the Sweet Sixteen only once. " from 2013 till now, don't see any MAC teams making a dent at the dance although (like CUSA) they occasionally upset a big Dog in the first round. A10 seed Kent State got to the Sweet 16 in 2002. I like the MAC and there tight geography as well as their stability. But the "Grass is Not Greener" in the MAC

(03-11-2022 10:02 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  If my research is accurate, the MAC MBB history in the NCAA is no better than CUSA and may be less impressive. "between 1991 and 2012, the MAC reached the Sweet Sixteen only once. " from 2013 till now, don't see any MAC teams making a dent at the dance although (like CUSA) they occasionally upset a big Dog in the first round. A10 seed Kent State got to the Sweet 16 in 2002. I like the MAC and there tight geography as well as their stability. But the "Grass is Not Greener" in the MAC

Ohio did well last year, about the same lately as CUSA win 1st round game and lose next round. However semifinals played in a real basketball arena in front of real fans and a primetime slot for semis and finals on ESPN tells you all you need to know what conference is held in great light for hoops.

(03-11-2022 10:41 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 10:02 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  If my research is accurate, the MAC MBB history in the NCAA is no better than CUSA and may be less impressive. "between 1991 and 2012, the MAC reached the Sweet Sixteen only once. " from 2013 till now, don't see any MAC teams making a dent at the dance although (like CUSA) they occasionally upset a big Dog in the first round. A10 seed Kent State got to the Sweet 16 in 2002. I like the MAC and there tight geography as well as their stability. But the "Grass is Not Greener" in the MAC

Ohio did well last year, about the same lately as CUSA win 1st round game and lose next round. However semifinals played in a real basketball arena in front of real fans and a primetime slot for semis and finals on ESPN tells you all you need to know what conference is held in great light for hoops.

Come on...is this NBA arena really that much better than the curtain? #sarcasm

(03-10-2022 01:18 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:31 AM)whupemall Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 12:45 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 10:29 AM)whupemall Wrote:  I know exactly how seriously everyone takes hoops. But this season, no one is dominant. NMSU is closer than most, but this season, they'd finish 3rd in the OVC, let alone CUSA.

None of these top teams suck. They're all very strong. (So are La Tech, JSU, Liberty, and SHSU.)

But strong does not equal dominant. A conference full of teams ranked in the 80s, 90s, and low 100s is plenty strong, but it's still a one-bid league.

If CUSA 4.0 wants to be a dominant league, we need at least a couple of teams to crack the top 50. Having a team at least threaten to crack the Top 25 would be a bonus.

We may get there... I never said we couldn't. It could happen in Year One.

But based on this season -- the only one that matters until next season -- we have some work to do.

Playing devil's advocate here; be careful about characterizing programs moving up as strong.

JSU and SHSU are only moving "up" in football.

We're moving "over" in every other sport.

I mean, I get what you're saying... if you win a lot of games in a weak conference, you're likely not going to win as many in a strong conference.

But it's not like JSU has been down in a separate division kicking around Sisters of the Poor. This year's ASUN featured Liberty (#119), JSU (#140), Jacksonville (#170), Bellarmine (#194), and FGCU (#196).

Prior to this season, JSU was in the OVC, which, other than a couple of teams at the very top, is BY FAR weaker than the ASUN. But those teams at the top include Murray State (#23) and Belmont (#70), plus a tough Morehead squad (#115).

I'm not trying to call us world-beaters, and I'm definitely not saying we'll compete for the CUSA championship in Year One. I'm just saying we're a solid team used to playing equally solid-to-strong teams. And we'll see a lot of those on the CUSA 4.0 schedule.

This should age well

Which part? Where I say the Gamecocks aren't world-beaters? Where I explicitly say I don't expect JSU to compete for the CUSA championship in Year One? Or where I agree that moving to a stronger conference means we probably won't win as many games?

(03-11-2022 10:02 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  If my research is accurate, the MAC MBB history in the NCAA is no better than CUSA and may be less impressive. "between 1991 and 2012, the MAC reached the Sweet Sixteen only once. " from 2013 till now, don't see any MAC teams making a dent at the dance although (like CUSA) they occasionally upset a big Dog in the first round. A10 seed Kent State got to the Sweet 16 in 2002. I like the MAC and there tight geography as well as their stability. But the "Grass is Not Greener" in the MAC

We are fairly comparable to the MAC in recent NCAA history. They have the more recent Sweet 16 run. I think overall they probably have a slight edge on C-USA 3.0. C-USA 4.0 is TBD.

(03-11-2022 11:01 AM)whupemall Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 01:18 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:31 AM)whupemall Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 12:45 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 10:29 AM)whupemall Wrote:  I know exactly how seriously everyone takes hoops. But this season, no one is dominant. NMSU is closer than most, but this season, they'd finish 3rd in the OVC, let alone CUSA.

None of these top teams suck. They're all very strong. (So are La Tech, JSU, Liberty, and SHSU.)

But strong does not equal dominant. A conference full of teams ranked in the 80s, 90s, and low 100s is plenty strong, but it's still a one-bid league.

If CUSA 4.0 wants to be a dominant league, we need at least a couple of teams to crack the top 50. Having a team at least threaten to crack the Top 25 would be a bonus.

We may get there... I never said we couldn't. It could happen in Year One.

But based on this season -- the only one that matters until next season -- we have some work to do.

Playing devil's advocate here; be careful about characterizing programs moving up as strong.

JSU and SHSU are only moving "up" in football.

We're moving "over" in every other sport.

I mean, I get what you're saying... if you win a lot of games in a weak conference, you're likely not going to win as many in a strong conference.

But it's not like JSU has been down in a separate division kicking around Sisters of the Poor. This year's ASUN featured Liberty (#119), JSU (#140), Jacksonville (#170), Bellarmine (#194), and FGCU (#196).

Prior to this season, JSU was in the OVC, which, other than a couple of teams at the very top, is BY FAR weaker than the ASUN. But those teams at the top include Murray State (#23) and Belmont (#70), plus a tough Morehead squad (#115).

I'm not trying to call us world-beaters, and I'm definitely not saying we'll compete for the CUSA championship in Year One. I'm just saying we're a solid team used to playing equally solid-to-strong teams. And we'll see a lot of those on the CUSA 4.0 schedule.

This should age well

Which part? Where I say the Gamecocks aren't world-beaters? Where I explicitly say I don't expect JSU to compete for the CUSA championship in Year One? Or where I agree that moving to a stronger conference means we probably won't win as many games?

The part where you call it a move over.

(03-11-2022 02:08 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 11:01 AM)whupemall Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 01:18 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:31 AM)whupemall Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 12:45 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Playing devil's advocate here; be careful about characterizing programs moving up as strong.

JSU and SHSU are only moving "up" in football.

We're moving "over" in every other sport.

I mean, I get what you're saying... if you win a lot of games in a weak conference, you're likely not going to win as many in a strong conference.

But it's not like JSU has been down in a separate division kicking around Sisters of the Poor. This year's ASUN featured Liberty (#119), JSU (#140), Jacksonville (#170), Bellarmine (#194), and FGCU (#196).

Prior to this season, JSU was in the OVC, which, other than a couple of teams at the very top, is BY FAR weaker than the ASUN. But those teams at the top include Murray State (#23) and Belmont (#70), plus a tough Morehead squad (#115).

I'm not trying to call us world-beaters, and I'm definitely not saying we'll compete for the CUSA championship in Year One. I'm just saying we're a solid team used to playing equally solid-to-strong teams. And we'll see a lot of those on the CUSA 4.0 schedule.

This should age well

Which part? Where I say the Gamecocks aren't world-beaters? Where I explicitly say I don't expect JSU to compete for the CUSA championship in Year One? Or where I agree that moving to a stronger conference means we probably won't win as many games?

The part where you call it a move over.

I mean... there is a difference in the move in football versus other sports.