(05-23-2022 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 12:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 11:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(05-22-2022 07:51 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  A lot was expected of Marshall when they entered CUSA. Some believed Marshall could be a challenger for BCS bowls or NY6 bids, but it never materialized.

Mark me down as one fan that is excited to see Jacksonville State, Liberty, et al take the banner and run with it.

Maybe Marshall failed to live up to live up to the lofty expectations many had set for them, but they did end up being the winningest football program in CUSA over the last decade, and by a decent margin. I think that has to count for something. It's hard for me to have lofty expectations of other programs if others in my conference aren't living up to those same expectations. No current CUSA or SBC program has been to a BCS or NY6 bowl. You can say good riddens, but I'm happy the SBC gave them a home. They'll be a good program for us.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/more.../99119936/

Liberty has a decent change to carry the banner. JSU will need some time to get up to speed.

edit: the link you used was only till 2021 and while Western played in the SBC for 2 of the last 10 Western's SOS for those 2 years were better than Marshalls

Do what...

80 wins vs 78 for Western is not a "a decent margin" and then you look at other factors....

Marshall did not have a coaching change while Western won 78 games under 5 head coaches.

Without checking and I'm not to waste the time doing so, I would bet not many other program in all of college football won 78 games over the last 10 seasons and lets not use 5 different coaches but 3.

I bet that is a very short list and especially in the G5 and even shorter when you add in 2 conference championships and played for another one. I will add a bad instant replay review from a 8-0 and a 3rd championship

One other thing, Western was fully moved up 13 years ago and went through a 0-26 counting the move up year and started out 0-18 after becoming full FBS members. So Marshall has 2 more wins and one less championship than a school that moved up 13 years ago.


That should make Jax St and Sam Houston fans feel a lot better about where their futures might be.

Tech had 73 wins
Middle 66 wins

But they do have a MBB title.

I did not see where basketball was any part of the post I quoted. Can you point out where I missed that?

(05-23-2022 12:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 12:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 11:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(05-22-2022 07:51 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  A lot was expected of Marshall when they entered CUSA. Some believed Marshall could be a challenger for BCS bowls or NY6 bids, but it never materialized.

Mark me down as one fan that is excited to see Jacksonville State, Liberty, et al take the banner and run with it.

Maybe Marshall failed to live up to live up to the lofty expectations many had set for them, but they did end up being the winningest football program in CUSA over the last decade, and by a decent margin. I think that has to count for something. It's hard for me to have lofty expectations of other programs if others in my conference aren't living up to those same expectations. No current CUSA or SBC program has been to a BCS or NY6 bowl. You can say good riddens, but I'm happy the SBC gave them a home. They'll be a good program for us.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/more.../99119936/

Liberty has a decent change to carry the banner. JSU will need some time to get up to speed.

edit: the link you used was only till 2021 and while Western played in the SBC for 2 of the last 10 Western's SOS for those 2 years were better than Marshalls

Do what...

80 wins vs 78 for Western is not a "a decent margin" and then you look at other factors....

Marshall did not have a coaching change while Western won 78 games under 5 head coaches.

Without checking and I'm not to waste the time doing so, I would bet not many other program in all of college football won 78 games over the last 10 seasons and lets not use 5 different coaches but 3.

I bet that is a very short list and especially in the G5 and even shorter when you add in 2 conference championships and played for another one. I will add a bad instant replay review from a 8-0 and a 3rd championship

One other thing, Western was fully moved up 13 years ago and went through a 0-26 counting the move up year and started out 0-18 after becoming full FBS members. So Marshall has 2 more wins and one less championship than a school that moved up 13 years ago.


That should make Jax St and Sam Houston fans feel a lot better about where their futures might be.

Tech had 73 wins
Middle 66 wins

But they do have a MBB title.

I did not see where basketball was any part of the post I quoted. Can you point out where I missed that?

I was just making an observation.

clt asks what year will the lowly sunbelt folks quite posting on this chat page? 29, 49, 75? 3100?

(05-23-2022 01:05 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks what year will the lowly sunbelt folks quite posting on this chat page? 29, 49, 75? 3100?

Never! In all honesty, it's rare that I'm here, but if it gets you all hot and bothered I can come back more often, just for you ghost!

(05-23-2022 01:05 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks what year will the lowly sunbelt folks quite posting on this chat page? 29, 49, 75? 3100?

mturn says academics are important

(05-23-2022 12:54 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 12:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 11:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(05-22-2022 07:51 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  A lot was expected of Marshall when they entered CUSA. Some believed Marshall could be a challenger for BCS bowls or NY6 bids, but it never materialized.

Mark me down as one fan that is excited to see Jacksonville State, Liberty, et al take the banner and run with it.

Maybe Marshall failed to live up to live up to the lofty expectations many had set for them, but they did end up being the winningest football program in CUSA over the last decade, and by a decent margin. I think that has to count for something. It's hard for me to have lofty expectations of other programs if others in my conference aren't living up to those same expectations. No current CUSA or SBC program has been to a BCS or NY6 bowl. You can say good riddens, but I'm happy the SBC gave them a home. They'll be a good program for us.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/more.../99119936/

Liberty has a decent change to carry the banner. JSU will need some time to get up to speed.

Do what...

80 wins vs 78 for Western is not a "a decent margin" and then you look at other factors....

Marshall did not have a coaching change while Western won 78 games under 5 head coaches.

Without checking and I'm not to waste the time doing so, I would bet not many other program in all of college football won 78 games over the last 10 seasons and lets not use 5 different coaches but 3.

I bet that is a very short list and especially in the G5 and even shorter when you add in 2 conference championships and played for another one. I will add a bad instant replay review from a 8-0 and a 3rd championship

One other thing, Western was fully moved up 13 years ago and went through a 0-26 counting the move up year and started out 0-18 after becoming full FBS members. So Marshall has 2 more wins and one less championship than a school that moved up 13 years ago.

I mean, that's one way to spin it, and those are interesting points. Marshall lead by 7 percentage points, where the next three were all within three points. I'd say that's not a "wide margin" but a decent margin nonetheless. You can't just count wins, you have to count losses as well, and to clarify, almost every argument about winningest football programs has been based on win percentage, not just wins, or conference championships.

The rest of what you've said is kind of whatever to me. Things played out like they did. It's great that WKU was able to truck along with so many coaches. The fact is, and this all I'm trying to say, is that Marshall isn't the scrubs many CUSA fans believe they are. Some CUSA fans are saying the SBC took their bottom feeders, and the numbers don't bear that out. The AAC took CUSA's bottom programs, and the numbers do bear that out.

By the numbers, Marshall is a very good football program, and I'm glad to have them. I don't really care as much about the minutiae, they've been a good football program for CUSA despite not winning as many conference championships as some non-marshall fans would have expected. I'm not trying to start a fight, I rarely post here, just saying what I was thinking. Carry on.

Everything plays into winning in G5 football and at the top of that list is....

winning with the next hire as the most important factor. When you are including 10 years for one school and 7 for another you might be including the 3 best years of winning for one school while leaving out 3 good years for another....

SOS also plays into and most importantly...the last 10 years should be just that and not leave out the actual 10th year. Covid will also play a role because Marshall played a total of 2 road games.

Not trying to take away from Marshall because as you pointed out they are usually playing close to the top of the conference and their down years are quick returns. That is a great sign of a good PROGRAM and not just a program that got lucky with a good hire...once

But they also benefited from not having to make hires during that span. So my point a lot goes into this than just raw numbers when everything being measured is not equal. But as a football program Marshall would be a very good addition to any G5 conference...

they usual win and when they dont their down years are not down for long. To me all G5 conferences should use that as their first measuring point when add schools. But that seems to not be important in conference moves overall and down the list of whats important.

Marshall living rent free in alot of people's minds. Did we win as many Championships as we wanted? No. But Cusa literally lost 2 of their most important TV products with Marshall and S. Miss leaving. Those who think we aren't a loss to the conference are just ignorant or blind. We are a top 10 G5football program right now and will be a top 5 G5 team when we hire the right staff(hopefully we do right now). Enjoy your time in cusa doa.

Marshall has been as FBS program for 25 years and has 6 losing seasons, averaging 7.75 wins/yr. In CUSA 3.0 (since 2013) they average 8.3/yr.

12 bowl wins
6 conference titles
3 top 25 rankings

This is under four coaches.

Are we debating if Marshall has a good football program?

(05-23-2022 01:19 PM)muherd34 Wrote:  Marshall living rent free in alot of people's minds. Did we win as many Championships as we wanted? No. But Cusa literally lost 2 of their most important TV products with Marshall and S. Miss leaving. Those who think we aren't a loss to the conference are just ignorant or blind. We are a top 10 G5football program right now and will be a top 5 G5 team when we hire the right staff(hopefully we do right now). Enjoy your time in cusa doa.

You would think if that was true Marshall and S. Miss would be #1a and #1b in games shown on TV. This is the part where I ask you to prove your opinion because its just that. It sure as hell isnt fact.

As for that last sentence you better hope Marshall didn't make a mistake with the current staff. From an outsider looking in it looks like that a hire that could be a problem. If it is Marshall will not make a change until year 5 unless the wheels fall completely off....

the only thing worse than hiring a god awful coach. Is hiring a average one that takes longer to get rid of.

(05-23-2022 01:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Marshall has been as FBS program for 25 years and has 6 losing seasons, averaging 7.75 wins/yr. In CUSA 3.0 (since 2013) they average 8.3/yr.

12 bowl wins
6 conference titles
3 top 25 rankings

This is under four coaches.

Are we debating if Marshall has a good football program?

I gave my opinion on why Marshall is a good school for any G5 program. But in this new area of the G5 where a winning program might lose their coach every 2 to 3 years. What happen 25 years ago is like comparing this country to 25 years ago. Its just not that important of a factor. Hell 10 years ago is a different world than today in the G5.

The one weakness as a program Marshall still needs to prove (in my opinion) is a huge one. Its "the next hire" and getting it correct. Its the biggest and most important factor for all of us. With Doc who might not have been a championship coach but as a coach was well above average. They did not have to deal with that. Marshall as a program made a statement....

above average is not good enough for our program. So now for the first time they enter this new game of hiring a new coach every 3 years. That is if the hire you made is not a mistake.

Roll of the dice every time

(05-23-2022 01:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 01:19 PM)muherd34 Wrote:  Marshall living rent free in alot of people's minds. Did we win as many Championships as we wanted? No. But Cusa literally lost 2 of their most important TV products with Marshall and S. Miss leaving. Those who think we aren't a loss to the conference are just ignorant or blind. We are a top 10 G5football program right now and will be a top 5 G5 team when we hire the right staff(hopefully we do right now). Enjoy your time in cusa doa.

You would think if that was true Marshall and S. Miss would be #1a and #1b in games shown on TV. This is the part where I ask you to prove your opinion because its just that. It sure as hell isnt fact.

As for that last sentence you better hope Marshall didn't make a mistake with the current staff. From an outsider looking in it looks like that a hire that could be a problem. If it is Marshall will not make a change until year 5 unless the wheels fall completely off....

the only thing worse than hiring a god awful coach. Is hiring a average one that takes longer to get rid of.

Gonna have to find the numbers on Herdfans. But the numbers are out there and I just didn't pull it out of my butt. Will revisit if I can find them.

(05-23-2022 01:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 01:19 PM)muherd34 Wrote:  Marshall living rent free in alot of people's minds. Did we win as many Championships as we wanted? No. But Cusa literally lost 2 of their most important TV products with Marshall and S. Miss leaving. Those who think we aren't a loss to the conference are just ignorant or blind. We are a top 10 G5football program right now and will be a top 5 G5 team when we hire the right staff(hopefully we do right now). Enjoy your time in cusa doa.

You would think if that was true Marshall and S. Miss would be #1a and #1b in games shown on TV. This is the part where I ask you to prove your opinion because its just that. It sure as hell isnt fact.

As for that last sentence you better hope Marshall didn't make a mistake with the current staff. From an outsider looking in it looks like that a hire that could be a problem. If it is Marshall will not make a change until year 5 unless the wheels fall completely off....

the only thing worse than hiring a god awful coach. Is hiring a average one that takes longer to get rid of.

So I was totally wrong about S. MISS. I will take my lashings now. Lol, but in all seriousness Liberty is a great add and here are Marshall's number Credit to a poster on herdfans. I also have nothing but respect for Wku and was more just lashing out at 1 poster.


Marshall Average rating per channel since 2013:

ESPN: 1.804 Million
CBS: 1.25 Million
ESPN2: 751,757
ESPNU: 435,500
FS1: 283,667

(05-23-2022 01:05 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks what year will the lowly sunbelt folks quite posting on this chat page? 29, 49, 75? 3100?

Good thing you already talk to yourself, cause this place is going to be awful lonely when we do leave.

(05-23-2022 01:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 01:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Marshall has been as FBS program for 25 years and has 6 losing seasons, averaging 7.75 wins/yr. In CUSA 3.0 (since 2013) they average 8.3/yr.

12 bowl wins
6 conference titles
3 top 25 rankings

This is under four coaches.

Are we debating if Marshall has a good football program?

I gave my opinion on why Marshall is a good school for any G5 program. But in this new area of the G5 where a winning program might lose their coach every 2 to 3 years. What happen 25 years ago is like comparing this country to 25 years ago. Its just not that important of a factor. Hell 10 years ago is a different world than today in the G5.

The one weakness as a program Marshall still needs to prove (in my opinion) is a huge one. Its "the next hire" and getting it correct. Its the biggest and most important factor for all of us. With Doc who might not have been a championship coach but as a coach was well above average. They did not have to deal with that. Marshall as a program made a statement....

above average is not good enough for our program. So now for the first time they enter this new game of hiring a new coach every 3 years. That is if the hire you made is not a mistake.

Roll of the dice every time

Change is constant, Marshall has won under three various scenarios, 1-AA/FCS, transitioning into the MAC, and in a once elevated conference in CUSA.

It is more likely that a program like Marshall will continue to be successful than it would be they aren't.

The risk of a bad hire isn't a variable that is different at Marshall than any other program, but it has other variables and proven results that they are successful.

Where you see their prior coach as a "good" I'd argue they were held back by an average coach in Holliday. He was too conservative and in game adjustments were below average.

I've hated Marshall since the early 1990s, but they have one of the most passionate fanbases. They aren't going to stand for losing long.

(05-23-2022 01:51 PM)muherd34 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 01:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 01:19 PM)muherd34 Wrote:  Marshall living rent free in alot of people's minds. Did we win as many Championships as we wanted? No. But Cusa literally lost 2 of their most important TV products with Marshall and S. Miss leaving. Those who think we aren't a loss to the conference are just ignorant or blind. We are a top 10 G5football program right now and will be a top 5 G5 team when we hire the right staff(hopefully we do right now). Enjoy your time in cusa doa.

You would think if that was true Marshall and S. Miss would be #1a and #1b in games shown on TV. This is the part where I ask you to prove your opinion because its just that. It sure as hell isnt fact.

As for that last sentence you better hope Marshall didn't make a mistake with the current staff. From an outsider looking in it looks like that a hire that could be a problem. If it is Marshall will not make a change until year 5 unless the wheels fall completely off....

the only thing worse than hiring a god awful coach. Is hiring a average one that takes longer to get rid of.

So I was totally wrong about S. MISS. I will take my lashings now. Lol, but in all seriousness Liberty is a great add and here are Marshall's number Credit to a poster on herdfans. I also have nothing but respect for Wku and was more just lashing out at 1 poster.


Marshall Average rating per channel since 2013:

ESPN: 1.804 Million
CBS: 1.25 Million
ESPN2: 751,757
ESPNU: 435,500
FS1: 283,667

Who was Marshall playing? Marshall is no Boise, UCF or Cincinnati. I see a tons of low viewed Marshall games against other G5 on Sports Media Watch.

Let’s see proof of this Media giant Marshall. No single shred of evidence that ESPN increase the Sunbelt contract by 400%. It’s just total BS.

I could say the CUSA is 5million and that has just as much credibility as the Sunbelt morons saying the ESPN contract is now 2 million.

Marshall is no UCF, Cincinnati or Boise. Marshall is just another MAC retread with a last place Baseball program that move down to the Sunbelt.

If CUSA team could have generated the kind of intraconference hatred over the last 10 years that we seem to have now, it would have been a better conference and maybe we would all be staying together. However most of us didn't really care about the others, so off we go. Good luck to everybody on your new situations.

(05-23-2022 01:51 PM)muherd34 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 01:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 01:19 PM)muherd34 Wrote:  Marshall living rent free in alot of people's minds. Did we win as many Championships as we wanted? No. But Cusa literally lost 2 of their most important TV products with Marshall and S. Miss leaving. Those who think we aren't a loss to the conference are just ignorant or blind. We are a top 10 G5football program right now and will be a top 5 G5 team when we hire the right staff(hopefully we do right now). Enjoy your time in cusa doa.

You would think if that was true Marshall and S. Miss would be #1a and #1b in games shown on TV. This is the part where I ask you to prove your opinion because its just that. It sure as hell isnt fact.

As for that last sentence you better hope Marshall didn't make a mistake with the current staff. From an outsider looking in it looks like that a hire that could be a problem. If it is Marshall will not make a change until year 5 unless the wheels fall completely off....

the only thing worse than hiring a god awful coach. Is hiring a average one that takes longer to get rid of.

So I was totally wrong about S. MISS. I will take my lashings now. Lol, but in all seriousness Liberty is a great add and here are Marshall's number Credit to a poster on herdfans. I also have nothing but respect for Wku and was more just lashing out at 1 poster.


Marshall Average rating per channel since 2013:

ESPN: 1.804 Million
CBS: 1.25 Million
ESPN2: 751,757
ESPNU: 435,500
FS1: 283,667

I'm mainly was talking about the number of appearances selected. No need to go through the trouble of checking because I "know" Marshall will be either first or second depending on how you count. Western would be the other school with Marshall. If we were (we aren't) talking about football and basketball it really isn't close because Western is way way ahead when it comes to basketball games picked up.

Actually since Western joined CUSA S.Miss is towards the bottom on games those who are paying CUSA for the rights to show them actually select S. Miss. That is the main problem I had with your post. Not Marshall

edit: I think as a fan if someone asked most of us to answer that question S. Miss would come up often. They had the program most G5 fans that been watching football for 30+ years, wanted to be like. The funny thing is that over the last 10 years its a myth. While fans will quickly say "S. Miss" their program has not lived up to that level and TV (paying media) has mainly saw they are not the draw that the myth was made on. For the most part they have been passed up by a lot of move ups. Along with programs that hope to "be them" when the myth was being made

(05-23-2022 02:15 PM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 01:05 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks what year will the lowly sunbelt folks quite posting on this chat page? 29, 49, 75? 3100?

Good thing you already talk to yourself, cause this place is going to be awful lonely when we do leave.

For the love of God just leave!

(05-23-2022 02:15 PM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 01:05 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks what year will the lowly sunbelt folks quite posting on this chat page? 29, 49, 75? 3100?

Good thing you already talk to yourself, cause this place is going to be awful lonely when we do leave.

clt asks if the marshal fan realizes we are moving up to the AAC.

Immediately after the baseball game yesterday I wanted to come and make this thread saying how much CUSA had meant to Marshall previously. Talking about good times, (the Tulsa 3OT game, the C-USA Championship Games, the Charlotte soccer rivalry, and I will miss certain schools(Charlotte mostly), but Jesus these Jacksonville fans. Like I’d rather be FCS then be in the same conference because I’m already tired of them.