(06-15-2022 09:29 AM)Hawk81 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:59 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:52 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  UNCW and football has been a topic for 25 years at least and literally nothing has happened. Without a huge sponsor stepping forward it seems to be something that just has no traction with the community as a whole . Baseball is a deal here and I think with the right moves it could step forward quickly to compete with Carolina,State etc but Coach Hood and staff are behind the eight ball right now. There is absolutely no comparison in facilities with most of the D1 programs in NC . Raising money has to be a priority at some point if UNCW is going to be relevant on a national level .Players want to come to Wilmington to play baseball and the program deserves a chance to compete for top talent .

God himself could be named the next AD or Seahawk Club director at UNCW and they're not going to raise the $$$'s needed to compete from a facility or recruiting standpoint with ACC, SEC, hell even American Athletic Conference Schools.

This is offensive.

Sorry to offend you, but it's true. Anyone in this fan base that thinks the athletic department is going to fundraise itself to competing with ACC, SEC, AAC, etc. schools consistently is delusional.

Also, if you think that's offensive, imagine how offensive some of the comments from folks on here could be to student-athletes, coaches, administrators, and their families. I was exaggerating...many on here use this as an outlet to spew nonsense with no repercussions.

What did Mike Tyson say about social media? Something about being too comfortable because people can say what they want without getting punched in the face?!

(06-15-2022 09:12 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  For UNCW to be at the next level, the P5/6 programs have to go do their own thing.
And:

The gap between mid-major programs and those around us in the region is only going to keep growing.

^^This^^


From what I read, it looks like the wealthier programs are very likely to ultimately go do their own thing, leaving the NCAA as a college 'minor-league' organization.


The Free-Agency/$$$ genie is out of the bottle. Either figure out uber-creative ways to break out if the box you are in, or get left behind.

(06-14-2022 03:03 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 02:00 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 12:42 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 12:26 PM)tke75hawk Wrote:  I watch the best teams in the ncaa and never watch caa football. I am also max out on giving to uncw. I get 2 all sports passes every year. Uncw is having a hard time funding the sports we have now.

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Sure. Why would you? I don't watch any CAA football either. I bet if we took a straw poll of all UNCW alumni/current students we would get similar results (not watching CAA football).

You're right though. I doubt that would change at all if we had a team in the conference.

Yeah, the athletic programs at UNCW and the possibility of change certainly has nothing to do with a new incoming AD and Chancellor.

We can't discuss the lack of alumni engagement and support and ignore the lack of a football program since they are directly related. And if you have the slightest amount of reading comprehension hopefully gained with a UNCW education you'd have understood that discussion was about replicating what we are missing without football OR adding football, not JUST football.

Anyhow, every school plays at the level they play and people still show up to watch whether it's high school 1a, 4a, D2, FCS, FBS, Campbell, etc. Unless you consider UNCW to be on the level of UNC in basketball, why do you attend "CAA level" games?

It's not about the level of the games it's about the event of going to a football game with friends from college, your kids, your neighbors, tailgating and having a great time. Please tell me what UNCW currently does to replicate that atmosphere for alumni and their families.

Well, we do tailgate for 3 hours before every baseball game. Parents are bringing their kids to games. For a number of years now we offered the hill that creates a nice family atmosphere. But there are still other things we could do to make it better. We have a nice sheltered gathering place down the third base line that pretty much just sits there. The last few years the Seahawk Club has done nothing to bring out Club members to socialize together. A great source to grow the Seahawk Club is not being utilized. And that's just one example.

Baseball is better than nothing but it has the inherent problem if too many games.

(06-15-2022 09:55 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:29 AM)Hawk81 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:59 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:52 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  UNCW and football has been a topic for 25 years at least and literally nothing has happened. Without a huge sponsor stepping forward it seems to be something that just has no traction with the community as a whole . Baseball is a deal here and I think with the right moves it could step forward quickly to compete with Carolina,State etc but Coach Hood and staff are behind the eight ball right now. There is absolutely no comparison in facilities with most of the D1 programs in NC . Raising money has to be a priority at some point if UNCW is going to be relevant on a national level .Players want to come to Wilmington to play baseball and the program deserves a chance to compete for top talent .

God himself could be named the next AD or Seahawk Club director at UNCW and they're not going to raise the $$$'s needed to compete from a facility or recruiting standpoint with ACC, SEC, hell even American Athletic Conference Schools.

This is offensive.

Sorry to offend you, but it's true. Anyone in this fan base that thinks the athletic department is going to fundraise itself to competing with ACC, SEC, AAC, etc. schools consistently is delusional.

Also, if you think that's offensive, imagine how offensive some of the comments from folks on here could be to student-athletes, coaches, administrators, and their families. I was exaggerating...many on here use this as an outlet to spew nonsense with no repercussions.

What did Mike Tyson say about social media? Something about being too comfortable because people can say what they want without getting punched in the face?!

LMAO.

Yes, anyone who thinks fundraising at UNCW will be on par with ACC, SEC, AAC, etc. is definitely delusional. Although, I doubt that's what 81 found offensive.

Gary, you can pm me if you want about the spewing of nonsense. It's a college sports message board. I'd love to hear what you classify as nonsense "with no repercussions". Perhaps you folks with all the sensitive feels should go visit some message boards for teams from the ACC, SEC, AAC, etc. and see what kind of nonsense gets spewed without repercussions and then realize it's really pretty tame 'round here.

(06-15-2022 10:48 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:55 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:29 AM)Hawk81 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:59 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:52 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  UNCW and football has been a topic for 25 years at least and literally nothing has happened. Without a huge sponsor stepping forward it seems to be something that just has no traction with the community as a whole . Baseball is a deal here and I think with the right moves it could step forward quickly to compete with Carolina,State etc but Coach Hood and staff are behind the eight ball right now. There is absolutely no comparison in facilities with most of the D1 programs in NC . Raising money has to be a priority at some point if UNCW is going to be relevant on a national level .Players want to come to Wilmington to play baseball and the program deserves a chance to compete for top talent .

God himself could be named the next AD or Seahawk Club director at UNCW and they're not going to raise the $$$'s needed to compete from a facility or recruiting standpoint with ACC, SEC, hell even American Athletic Conference Schools.

This is offensive.

Sorry to offend you, but it's true. Anyone in this fan base that thinks the athletic department is going to fundraise itself to competing with ACC, SEC, AAC, etc. schools consistently is delusional.

Also, if you think that's offensive, imagine how offensive some of the comments from folks on here could be to student-athletes, coaches, administrators, and their families. I was exaggerating...many on here use this as an outlet to spew nonsense with no repercussions.

What did Mike Tyson say about social media? Something about being too comfortable because people can say what they want without getting punched in the face?!

LMAO.

Yes, anyone who thinks fundraising at UNCW will be on par with ACC, SEC, AAC, etc. is definitely delusional. Although, I doubt that's what 81 found offensive.

Gary, you can pm me if you want about the spewing of nonsense. It's a college sports message board. I'd love to hear what you classify as nonsense "with no repercussions". Perhaps you folks with all the sensitive feels should go visit some message boards for teams from the ACC, SEC, AAC, etc. and see what kind of nonsense gets spewed without repercussions and then realize it's really pretty tame 'round here.

I'm not offended with anything, I'm happy to go back and forth with any one of the clowns on here as is well documented

My response was to the fact that someone's offended because I said God himself could be the AD/fundraiser and not make people on this board happy. The comment about ACC, SEC, AAC schools etc. was in response to Mullet saying we were a strategic fundraising effort away from baseball competing with Carolina and State. You're right about the other school's boards though...they're very similar to this one in that a majority of the people that are most vocal on it, aren't financially invested enough with the university itself to have a voice heard anywhere on campus. So, message board it is.

(06-15-2022 10:27 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:12 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  For UNCW to be at the next level, the P5/6 programs have to go do their own thing.
And:

The gap between mid-major programs and those around us in the region is only going to keep growing.

^^This^^


From what I read, it looks like the wealthier programs are very likely to ultimately go do their own thing, leaving the NCAA as a college 'minor-league' organization.


The Free-Agency/$$$ genie is out of the bottle. Either figure out uber-creative ways to break out if the box you are in, or get left behind.

Yeah, and if the Seahawk Club doesn't find some better ways to grow along with the Athletic Department, then we are going to have to face getting left behind. End of the day though, there are A LOT of athletes out there, and the P5/6s can't pay them all. So, our 'minor-league' organization is going to have to learn how to thrive off of 1st and 2nd year talent + disenfranchised athletes from the P5/6s that realized the pasture wasn't quite as green on that side of the fence. I just don't see UNCW leadership from the Chancellor level down making smart decisions that get our athletic programs to the next level. I don't even see them getting us to the level of an invite from the A10.

(06-15-2022 10:54 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:27 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:12 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  For UNCW to be at the next level, the P5/6 programs have to go do their own thing.
And:

The gap between mid-major programs and those around us in the region is only going to keep growing.

^^This^^


From what I read, it looks like the wealthier programs are very likely to ultimately go do their own thing, leaving the NCAA as a college 'minor-league' organization.


The Free-Agency/$$$ genie is out of the bottle. Either figure out uber-creative ways to break out if the box you are in, or get left behind.

Yeah, and if the Seahawk Club doesn't find some better ways to grow along with the Athletic Department, then we are going to have to face getting left behind. End of the day though, there are A LOT of athletes out there, and the P5/6s can't pay them all. So, our 'minor-league' organization is going to have to learn how to thrive off of 1st and 2nd year talent + disenfranchised athletes from the P5/6s that realized the pasture wasn't quite as green on that side of the fence. I just don't see UNCW leadership from the Chancellor level down making smart decisions that get our athletic programs to the next level. I don't even see them getting us to the level of an invite from the A10.

So what's the next level? The A10 isn't even good enough based on your comments. Meanwhile Davidson, VCU, Rhode Island, Dayton, St. Bonaventure, Richmond, Saint Louis would like a word. Especially as they're paying mid-major programs 75-85k to come play them in buy games.

Keep moving those goal posts though!

(06-15-2022 10:56 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:54 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:27 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:12 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  For UNCW to be at the next level, the P5/6 programs have to go do their own thing.
And:

The gap between mid-major programs and those around us in the region is only going to keep growing.

^^This^^


From what I read, it looks like the wealthier programs are very likely to ultimately go do their own thing, leaving the NCAA as a college 'minor-league' organization.


The Free-Agency/$$$ genie is out of the bottle. Either figure out uber-creative ways to break out if the box you are in, or get left behind.

Yeah, and if the Seahawk Club doesn't find some better ways to grow along with the Athletic Department, then we are going to have to face getting left behind. End of the day though, there are A LOT of athletes out there, and the P5/6s can't pay them all. So, our 'minor-league' organization is going to have to learn how to thrive off of 1st and 2nd year talent + disenfranchised athletes from the P5/6s that realized the pasture wasn't quite as green on that side of the fence. I just don't see UNCW leadership from the Chancellor level down making smart decisions that get our athletic programs to the next level. I don't even see them getting us to the level of an invite from the A10.

So what's the next level?

Depends on the sport really. Let's talk about our two major sports:

Here's some of my expectations, and feel free to disagree.

Basketball
1. Being an annual contender for the CAA title (vice just once or twice every 5-10 years).
2. Winning a 1st round matchup.
3. Updating Trask, and restoring the old bleacher section of the students (no comfy seats as they should be standing and wreaking havoc on the other team for 40+ minutes).
4. Getting funding to a level where we can pay a coach enough money to stick around after they've shown significant success to ensure sustained success.

Baseball
1. Advancing to a Super Regional
2. Updates to the field/game day experience with expectation to host a Regional.

There should be ONE major goal of the entire Athletic Department.

1. Getting the F out of the CAA.

(06-15-2022 10:56 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:54 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:27 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:12 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  For UNCW to be at the next level, the P5/6 programs have to go do their own thing.
And:

The gap between mid-major programs and those around us in the region is only going to keep growing.

^^This^^


From what I read, it looks like the wealthier programs are very likely to ultimately go do their own thing, leaving the NCAA as a college 'minor-league' organization.


The Free-Agency/$$$ genie is out of the bottle. Either figure out uber-creative ways to break out if the box you are in, or get left behind.

Yeah, and if the Seahawk Club doesn't find some better ways to grow along with the Athletic Department, then we are going to have to face getting left behind. End of the day though, there are A LOT of athletes out there, and the P5/6s can't pay them all. So, our 'minor-league' organization is going to have to learn how to thrive off of 1st and 2nd year talent + disenfranchised athletes from the P5/6s that realized the pasture wasn't quite as green on that side of the fence. I just don't see UNCW leadership from the Chancellor level down making smart decisions that get our athletic programs to the next level. I don't even see them getting us to the level of an invite from the A10.

So what's the next level? The A10 isn't even good enough based on your comments. Meanwhile Davidson, VCU, Rhode Island, Dayton, St. Bonaventure, Richmond, Saint Louis would like a word. Especially as they're paying mid-major programs 75-85k to come play them in buy games.

Keep moving those goal posts though!

How so fella? Because they'll likely get poached by the bigs as well? That's always going to happen, but teams in the A10 are going to have a FAR GREATER chance at retaining talent than teams in the CAA.

I'm not moving any goal posts.

(06-15-2022 11:06 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:56 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:54 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:27 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:12 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  For UNCW to be at the next level, the P5/6 programs have to go do their own thing.
And:

The gap between mid-major programs and those around us in the region is only going to keep growing.

^^This^^


From what I read, it looks like the wealthier programs are very likely to ultimately go do their own thing, leaving the NCAA as a college 'minor-league' organization.


The Free-Agency/$$$ genie is out of the bottle. Either figure out uber-creative ways to break out if the box you are in, or get left behind.

Yeah, and if the Seahawk Club doesn't find some better ways to grow along with the Athletic Department, then we are going to have to face getting left behind. End of the day though, there are A LOT of athletes out there, and the P5/6s can't pay them all. So, our 'minor-league' organization is going to have to learn how to thrive off of 1st and 2nd year talent + disenfranchised athletes from the P5/6s that realized the pasture wasn't quite as green on that side of the fence. I just don't see UNCW leadership from the Chancellor level down making smart decisions that get our athletic programs to the next level. I don't even see them getting us to the level of an invite from the A10.

So what's the next level?

Depends on the sport really. Let's talk about our two major sports:

Here's some of my expectations, and feel free to disagree.

Basketball
1. Being an annual contender for the CAA title (vice just once or twice every 5-10 years).
2. Winning a 1st round matchup.
3. Updating Trask, and restoring the old bleacher section of the students (no comfy seats as they should be standing and wreaking havoc on the other team for 40+ minutes).
4. Getting funding to a level where we can pay a coach enough money to stick around after they've shown significant success to ensure sustained success.

Baseball
1. Advancing to a Super Regional
2. Updates to the field/game day experience with expectation to host a Regional.

There should be ONE major goal of the entire Athletic Department.

1. Getting the F out of the CAA.

Just trying to remember correctly…

Men’s Basketball
-4 regular season titles in last 8 years
-3 CAA Championship Game appearances
-2 Championships
-Had chance to beat Duke/Virginia
-Beat two great mid-major programs to win CBI in Siddle’s first full season

You’re as delusional as those who think that fundraising will help compete with NC State and Carolina if you think the way to get students to the game is to restore uncomfortable seating/bleachers lmao. Amazingly, the student section was full and raucous this year. It’s almost as if 18-21 year olds follow a winner.

You can have all the funding you want for coaches and they’re still going to the ACC/SEC at first chance. The goal has to be not to lose them to the A10.

With baseball you’re right. That program needs to get to the next level and advance to a super regional. Id be okay with them being competitive in the midweek at this point, not getting smoked by Campbell, East Carolina, Coastal and not losing series they shouldn’t on the weekends a la William & Mary, Elon and company..

Agree the CAA is a mess. Not sure where they’re going though.

(06-14-2022 10:15 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 03:56 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 03:36 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I don't see the purpose of FCS football for us.

I may very well be wrong, but we are surrounded by 5 FBS schools within a 2 hour drive.

Maybe I'm being too pessimistic and we can mimic what App State did at the FCS level. But I just don't see it

But you see us staying in the CAA and the CAA improving.

Yeah. Hard pass on that outlook for me buddy.

Coastal could've come up with the same BS excuses. South Carolina is a small state and dominated with Clemson and Gamecock fans. No sense in having a football team. Lol

Do better.

Never said the CAA would improve in overall quality or even be ideal. I said the current situation could be made better if travel costs could be reduced.

Coastal invested in their facilities and put themselves in position to get an FBS upgrade offer

That could have been us if we had invested in football during that 90s, early 2000s time frame. We had the better programs and basketball success. We missed the boat.

If we want to get out of the CAA the A10 is our best bet. Invest in basketball, facilities and the chips will fall where they may.

If we commit to football now it will be a very tough road out of the CAA.

Not sure how it's any tougher. Where do we go besides the A10 that is an upgrade to the CAA without football, even if we become really good consistently? Because that's the only upgrade we have a shot at from what I can tell. OTH, UNCW with football gives us an opportunity to join the ASUN, AAC and CUSA. There is also the chance an FCS conference makes the jump to FBS if the right schools are aligned. ECU and Charlotte are in the AAC and JMU, ODU, Coastal and App State are all in the ASUN.

Again, this is not a football or bust conversation, but football isn't out of the question for many reasons. I really don't care what avenue we take to increase our overall athletic profile and recognition, but it is a big part of the next step for UNCW as an institution and it is a separating factor between UNCW and the other "next level" schools in the UNC system. We are falling behind and really have no plan to adress it.

(06-15-2022 11:09 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:56 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:54 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:27 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:12 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  For UNCW to be at the next level, the P5/6 programs have to go do their own thing.
And:

The gap between mid-major programs and those around us in the region is only going to keep growing.

^^This^^


From what I read, it looks like the wealthier programs are very likely to ultimately go do their own thing, leaving the NCAA as a college 'minor-league' organization.


The Free-Agency/$$$ genie is out of the bottle. Either figure out uber-creative ways to break out if the box you are in, or get left behind.

Yeah, and if the Seahawk Club doesn't find some better ways to grow along with the Athletic Department, then we are going to have to face getting left behind. End of the day though, there are A LOT of athletes out there, and the P5/6s can't pay them all. So, our 'minor-league' organization is going to have to learn how to thrive off of 1st and 2nd year talent + disenfranchised athletes from the P5/6s that realized the pasture wasn't quite as green on that side of the fence. I just don't see UNCW leadership from the Chancellor level down making smart decisions that get our athletic programs to the next level. I don't even see them getting us to the level of an invite from the A10.

So what's the next level? The A10 isn't even good enough based on your comments. Meanwhile Davidson, VCU, Rhode Island, Dayton, St. Bonaventure, Richmond, Saint Louis would like a word. Especially as they're paying mid-major programs 75-85k to come play them in buy games.

Keep moving those goal posts though!

How so fella? Because they'll likely get poached by the bigs as well? That's always going to happen, but teams in the A10 are going to have a FAR GREATER chance at retaining talent than teams in the CAA.

I'm not moving any goal posts.

They need to get us to the next level. Then you follow it up with “I don’t even see them getting us to the level of an A10 invite”. Sounds to me like the A10 isn’t enough? My point was some keep saying next level, yet no one can define it. UNCW needs to be in a regional league against similar schools, compete for championships and play in NCAA events. Not overly complicated.

I’m just glad I have this board to read during meetings. Makes the work day go by faster.

(06-15-2022 11:31 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 11:09 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:56 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:54 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:27 AM)70shawk Wrote:  ^^This^^


From what I read, it looks like the wealthier programs are very likely to ultimately go do their own thing, leaving the NCAA as a college 'minor-league' organization.


The Free-Agency/$$$ genie is out of the bottle. Either figure out uber-creative ways to break out if the box you are in, or get left behind.

Yeah, and if the Seahawk Club doesn't find some better ways to grow along with the Athletic Department, then we are going to have to face getting left behind. End of the day though, there are A LOT of athletes out there, and the P5/6s can't pay them all. So, our 'minor-league' organization is going to have to learn how to thrive off of 1st and 2nd year talent + disenfranchised athletes from the P5/6s that realized the pasture wasn't quite as green on that side of the fence. I just don't see UNCW leadership from the Chancellor level down making smart decisions that get our athletic programs to the next level. I don't even see them getting us to the level of an invite from the A10.

So what's the next level? The A10 isn't even good enough based on your comments. Meanwhile Davidson, VCU, Rhode Island, Dayton, St. Bonaventure, Richmond, Saint Louis would like a word. Especially as they're paying mid-major programs 75-85k to come play them in buy games.

Keep moving those goal posts though!

How so fella? Because they'll likely get poached by the bigs as well? That's always going to happen, but teams in the A10 are going to have a FAR GREATER chance at retaining talent than teams in the CAA.

I'm not moving any goal posts.

They need to get us to the next level. Then you follow it up with “I don’t even see them getting us to the level of an A10 invite”. Sounds to me like the A10 isn’t enough? My point was some keep saying next level, yet no one can define it. UNCW needs to be in a regional league against similar schools, compete for championships and play in NCAA events. Not overly complicated.

I’m just glad I have this board to read during meetings. Makes the work day go by faster.

Clown enters the room.................

Yes, it's perfectly acceptable to say that school leadership, the Athletic Dept, and the Seahawk Club need to get us to the next level. As far as the Athletic Department goes... it's literally their JOB to ensure the programs are always succeeding and getting to a next level, whatever that is. Anyone who runs an organization or business and doesn't have the forward thinking to aspire to a next level is a failure, end of story.

As far as the Seahawk Club goes, it's the point of their existence to support the athletic programs and the AD in getting that strategy accomplished.

It's also very fair to look at job performance and have an opinion that they have not succeeded in their jobs/mission to this point, and skeptical of their ability to get it done.

How is any of that difficult for you to understand?

For the record, i do love how anyone who you don't agree with(although you have several times in the past and recently) or offers a differing opinion to yours is a "clown". Whatever happened to healthy debate where it's ok to disagree and not name call. That last sentence right there is a large part of what's wrong in our country now, healthy debate almost no longer exists.

In the end we all root for the same team/school and want them to succeed. I was happy as hell to be wrong about Siddle last year, and I didn't disappear or change my name when I was!

(06-15-2022 11:45 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Yes, it's perfectly acceptable to say that school leadership, the Athletic Dept, and the Seahawk Club need to get us to the next level. As far as the Athletic Department goes... it's literally their JOB to ensure the programs are always succeeding and getting to a next level, whatever that is. Anyone who runs an organization or business and doesn't have the forward thinking to aspire to a next level is a failure, end of story.

As far as the Seahawk Club goes, it's the point of their existence to support the athletic programs and the AD in getting that strategy accomplished.

It's also very fair to look at job performance and have an opinion that they have not succeeded in their jobs/mission to this point, and skeptical of their ability to get it done.

How is any of that difficult for you to understand?

I understand your feelings, yet when you look at the facts, it’s hard for ya. You conveniently didn’t respond to that post. Luckily for many on this board by the end of March, Bass, Siddle, hell even Tucker etc. will all probably be gone.

(06-15-2022 11:30 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 10:15 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 03:56 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 03:36 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I don't see the purpose of FCS football for us.

I may very well be wrong, but we are surrounded by 5 FBS schools within a 2 hour drive.

Maybe I'm being too pessimistic and we can mimic what App State did at the FCS level. But I just don't see it

But you see us staying in the CAA and the CAA improving.

Yeah. Hard pass on that outlook for me buddy.

Coastal could've come up with the same BS excuses. South Carolina is a small state and dominated with Clemson and Gamecock fans. No sense in having a football team. Lol

Do better.

Never said the CAA would improve in overall quality or even be ideal. I said the current situation could be made better if travel costs could be reduced.

Coastal invested in their facilities and put themselves in position to get an FBS upgrade offer

That could have been us if we had invested in football during that 90s, early 2000s time frame. We had the better programs and basketball success. We missed the boat.

If we want to get out of the CAA the A10 is our best bet. Invest in basketball, facilities and the chips will fall where they may.

If we commit to football now it will be a very tough road out of the CAA.

Not sure how it's any tougher. Where do we go besides the A10 that is an upgrade to the CAA without football, even if we become really good consistently? Because that's the only upgrade we have a shot at from what I can tell. OTH, UNCW with football gives us an opportunity to join the ASUN, AAC and CUSA. There is also the chance an FCS conference makes the jump to FBS if the right schools are aligned. ECU and Charlotte are in the AAC and JMU, ODU, Coastal and App State are all in the ASUN.

Again, this is not a football or bust conversation, but football isn't out of the question for many reasons. I really don't care what avenue we take to increase our overall athletic profile and recognition, but it is a big part of the next step for UNCW as an institution and it is a separating factor between UNCW and the other "next level" schools in the UNC system. We are falling behind and really have no plan to adress it.

1,000% agree. Football may very well could be a complete catastrophe at UNCW. However, it seems impossible to disagree that schools WITH a football program have MORE options for conference affiliation than schools WITHOUT. At this point, we are basically stuck with all of our eggs in the CAA basket because we have no other options due to that very reason + some really poor decisions in coaching hires over the years.

(06-15-2022 11:46 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  For the record, i do love how anyone who you don't agree with(although you have several times in the past and recently) or offers a differing opinion to yours is a "clown". Whatever happened to healthy debate where it's ok to disagree and not name call. That last sentence right there is a large part of what's wrong in our country now, healthy debate almost no longer exists.

In the end we all root for the same team/school and want them to succeed. I was happy as hell to be wrong about Siddle last year, and I didn't disappear or change my name when I was!

You refer to me as Gary, I refer to you and mullet as clowns. Terms of endearment. Healthy debate is great, when you deal in facts and not feelings. Totally agree it’s what’s wrong with todays world.

(06-15-2022 11:30 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Not sure how it's any tougher. Where do we go besides the A10 that is an upgrade to the CAA without football, even if we become really good consistently?

You are correct, we don't have anywhere else to upgrade without football besides the A10.

Quote:Because that's the only upgrade we have a shot at from what I can tell. OTH, UNCW with football gives us an opportunity to join the SunBelt, AAC and CUSA. There is also the chance an FCS conference makes the jump to FBS if the right schools are aligned. ECU and Charlotte are in the AAC and JMU, ODU, Coastal and App State are all in the Sunbelt.

As things stand now, the AAC and SunBelt are non starters, even if we had a fully functional and successful FCS team. There is no room in the inn and even if there was ECU in the AAC and Coastal in the SunBelt would probably not want a school in "their turf"

If we wanted FBS football we would have to make a strong push for Conference USA. If we hate CAA travel and lack of exposure, the new CUSA would take that to a whole new level, stretching from EL Paso to Miami up to Virginia

Quote:Again, this is not a football or bust conversation, but football isn't out of the question for many reasons. I really don't care what avenue we take to increase our overall athletic profile and recognition, but it is a big part of the next step for UNCW as an institution and it is a separating factor between UNCW and the other "next level" schools in the UNC system. We are falling behind and really have no plan to address it.

If we add football, it will likely be a long term FCS football program. Its highly unlikely the A10 is going to want to add a school with a full FCS football program, as they want basketball schools.

There are not any great or easy solutions for us in terms of conference, but in my opinion the best one is to focus on basketball, budgets, and buildings and let the A10 chips fall where the may.

(06-15-2022 11:28 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 11:06 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:56 AM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:54 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 10:27 AM)70shawk Wrote:  ^^This^^


From what I read, it looks like the wealthier programs are very likely to ultimately go do their own thing, leaving the NCAA as a college 'minor-league' organization.


The Free-Agency/$$$ genie is out of the bottle. Either figure out uber-creative ways to break out if the box you are in, or get left behind.

Yeah, and if the Seahawk Club doesn't find some better ways to grow along with the Athletic Department, then we are going to have to face getting left behind. End of the day though, there are A LOT of athletes out there, and the P5/6s can't pay them all. So, our 'minor-league' organization is going to have to learn how to thrive off of 1st and 2nd year talent + disenfranchised athletes from the P5/6s that realized the pasture wasn't quite as green on that side of the fence. I just don't see UNCW leadership from the Chancellor level down making smart decisions that get our athletic programs to the next level. I don't even see them getting us to the level of an invite from the A10.

So what's the next level?

Depends on the sport really. Let's talk about our two major sports:

Here's some of my expectations, and feel free to disagree.

Basketball
1. Being an annual contender for the CAA title (vice just once or twice every 5-10 years).
2. Winning a 1st round matchup.
3. Updating Trask, and restoring the old bleacher section of the students (no comfy seats as they should be standing and wreaking havoc on the other team for 40+ minutes).
4. Getting funding to a level where we can pay a coach enough money to stick around after they've shown significant success to ensure sustained success.

Baseball
1. Advancing to a Super Regional
2. Updates to the field/game day experience with expectation to host a Regional.

There should be ONE major goal of the entire Athletic Department.

1. Getting the F out of the CAA.

Just trying to remember correctly…

Men’s Basketball
-4 regular season titles in last 8 years Yes, and how were the years in between?
-3 CAA Championship Game appearances
-2 Championships
-Had chance to beat Duke/Virginia Yes, because athletics giving growth succeeds with "had a chance" games
-Beat two great mid-major programs to win CBI in Siddle’s first full season He had a great season last year, and hopefully we have a winner who will stick around. I'm not debating that, but you're wanting to deflect so, whatevs.

You’re as delusional as those who think that fundraising will help compete with NC State and Carolina if you think the way to get students to the game is to restore uncomfortable seating/bleachers lmao.

What's wrong? Did you have difficulty standing for 40 minutes? Go take a look at the UNCW/Elon tape and tell me what about their new arena with padded, comfortable seats for students where they lean back and eat popcorn during the game creates a difficult environment for the opposing team? Go look at Cameron Indoor or the Dean Dome, and let me know if those students are sitting in nice, cozy seats. It's a basketball arena, and fans should be on their feet, period.