clt says unt is still waiting to have enough money for baseball

(06-22-2022 06:43 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says unt is still waiting to have enough money for baseball

loki notes that in our new home SMU also can't compete in baseball. Dallas Baptist owns that territory.

(06-22-2022 04:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 03:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 02:47 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 08:11 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 10:19 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  JSU is entering FBS football at a very interesting time. With NIL and the transfer portal, spending will continue to become a growing factor in a programs ability to win. The age of small budget underdogs is coming to an end. The P5 have made sure of that.

Fans focus on winning on the field. University leadership does too, but they focus on winning off the field just as much. Every university president and BOR is looking to elevate their university's profile, and in athletics that occurs through conference membership. College football is an arms race. The smart AD's understand this and never stop building and growing their athletics.

You do know that schools don’t pay NIL right?

Everyone knows the universities don't officially pay the players. Apparently, slush funds are created and used to distance the payments from the universities and give the appearance of propriety. Remember, every high school lineman that signs a scholarship with the University of Texas is guaranteed $50,000 a year in payments from their slush funds. That amount will only increase and this behavior isn't exclusive to UT. These types of arrangements are trickling down to the G5 programs. This is the newest wrinkle in the arms race. Every G5 program should already be adapting to this new reality.

Right. They’re funded by boosters. So leveraging a 40k student population to increase your budget via student fees doesn’t do anything for you with NIL.

Exactly. Just like a UNT booster chose to sign on as C-USA's title sponsor for the past couple of seasons. Our boosters like Mr. Ryan can funnel those funds into addressing NIL.

The students fees are a common practice in college athletics. That is a non issue.

Assuming this company is a booster of NT, Conference Tournament has a lot more reach with 3 other Texas schools plus LT maybe Southern Miss & Birmingham, not sure their reach. How much advertising is your OLine doing an internet or local TV spot worth? Is this guy that motivated to see UNT win? Cause the money that the big schools are getting for their players was already coming into the schools but just being diverted. Can NT afford to divert those funds and still meet those spending promises made to the AAC? Uh huh. Talking like you’re a big player indexed

(06-22-2022 06:43 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says unt is still waiting to have enough money for baseball

ODU is reconsidering our affiliate memberships with the AAC due to their membership. Really sullying our Rowing program.

(06-22-2022 08:22 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 04:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 03:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 02:47 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 08:11 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  You do know that schools don’t pay NIL right?

Everyone knows the universities don't officially pay the players. Apparently, slush funds are created and used to distance the payments from the universities and give the appearance of propriety. Remember, every high school lineman that signs a scholarship with the University of Texas is guaranteed $50,000 a year in payments from their slush funds. That amount will only increase and this behavior isn't exclusive to UT. These types of arrangements are trickling down to the G5 programs. This is the newest wrinkle in the arms race. Every G5 program should already be adapting to this new reality.

Right. They’re funded by boosters. So leveraging a 40k student population to increase your budget via student fees doesn’t do anything for you with NIL.

Exactly. Just like a UNT booster chose to sign on as C-USA's title sponsor for the past couple of seasons. Our boosters like Mr. Ryan can funnel those funds into addressing NIL.

The students fees are a common practice in college athletics. That is a non issue.

Assuming this company is a booster of NT, Conference Tournament has a lot more reach with 3 other Texas schools plus LT maybe Southern Miss & Birmingham, not sure their reach. How much advertising is your OLine doing an internet or local TV spot worth? Is this guy that motivated to see UNT win? Cause the money that the big schools are getting for their players was already coming into the schools but just being diverted. Can NT afford to divert those funds and still meet those spending promises made to the AAC? Uh huh. Talking like you’re a big player indexed

What is on the corner of Ryan's desk in this commercial that's run during every C-USA football game for the past few seasons?







Ryan is on UNT's BOR, and he has enough money to bankroll just about anything he wants.

The G5 programs will never spend the same amounts of cash on NIL, but they will all have to adjust to this new reality, or risk becoming irrelevant.

Just last week our AD stated in an interview that UNT is committed to increasing our investment in athletics and keeping UNT's budgets and spending among the top quarter (Top 4) of the AAC. Here is the interview....





I'm not a big player. Just a fan that knows some people and can do certain things.

Budgets and attendance talk is nice and all that but it’s irrelevant if you’re not playing in NY6 bowls and go on a deep run in the NCAAT.

Don’t get wrong, those are two nice things to brag about but if having money and fan support were the end of it all, the University of Texas at Austin would be winning championships in football and basketball.

Also, you can’t compare the budgets of FAU and USM when the cost of living, labor cost and doing business is substantially higher in Boca Raton than in Hattiesburg.

(06-22-2022 05:31 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 05:01 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 03:39 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 02:54 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 08:24 AM)inutech Wrote:  Silly fans. Can you imagine? Caring about football results or the existence of a baseball team when they could be comparing spreadsheets or counting tickets sold?

You can take that blue ribbon you just invented for "changes in budget" and hang it up in a trophy case if you want. Put it next to the "located in a large media market" awards that have y'all "earned." It'll go perfectly.

LA Tech just had a great basketball season. Where is Konkol at now? I think you get my point.

Money matter. Only half of the game is played on the field and courts. You might not like it but it's the truth.

Well, obviously it matters to some degree (otherwise UT-Austin wouldn't win all those football playoff championships every year).

And UNT wouldn't have such an amazing overall conference football win total during this time period.

Like I said, put your new made-up blue ribbon in the trophy case next to the "big market" awards. Let the dumb ole fans worry about the "half" of the game that's actually the games.

Way to avoid the question. You know Konk is in Tulsa because LA Tech was either too cheap or too broke to keep him. Times changing. Last season LA Tech's football team went 3-9. Was that a fluke, or the beginning of a down turn due to NIL and the transfer portal? While UNT wasn't good last year, we did make it to a bowl game again.

I thought it was a rhetorical question. You obviously knew the answer. He's in Tulsa.

And as I said, it matters but only when it matters. If you grow your budget and still aren't good, you don't get a (real) blue ribbon for that. You can still award yourself one online if you want of course.


To answer your other question, last year was a fluke for us (not the part where we beat UNT with our worst team in a decade, the having a losing record part).

It was rhetorical, but you are obviously having trouble comprehending a fundamental truth.... Without competitive financial resources, programs are reduced to being farm teams for the better funded programs. Back in 2016, UNT had more money to invest in basketball than Arkansas State, and we were able to take McCasland away from them. After last season, Tulsa took Konkol from LT, but UNT was able to successfully fended off SMU (and a few P5'S) from taking McCasland. Money always matters in college athletics.

And, congratulations on beating UNT in the early part of the season, before our team reached mediocrity.

Don't get me wrong, I actually like and respect LT. And, I hope last season was a fluke. In my opinion UNT would benefit from continuing to schedule LA Tech in multiple sports. Our football, basketball, and softball games are always exciting and sometimes even epic.

Hey Joe, our budget for 2019-20 was $49,411,842

Not sure where you got your figures

(06-23-2022 11:38 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Hey Joe, our budget for 2019-20 was $49,411,842

Not sure where you got your figures

Equity in Athletics. It was posted in this thread. If you have a link to stating your budget numbers, I'll go back and change my post. Thanks.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-943149.html

(06-23-2022 06:40 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-23-2022 11:38 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Hey Joe, our budget for 2019-20 was $49,411,842

Not sure where you got your figures

Equity in Athletics. It was posted in this thread. If you have a link to stating your budget numbers, I'll go back and change my post. Thanks.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-943149.html

The link in that thread took me to the 20-21 athletic year despite the heading in the thread. That was the Covid year and as you know we didn’t play football that year so I’s fully expect the revenue & expenses to be down. Here’s the audited statements reported to the NCAA 19-20 and match USA Today reporting, though unfortunately they put that behind a paywall. Of course this wouldn’t be comparable to the other schools because it’s in a different year and everyone had issues effecting them in the Covid year from lost money games to limited or no attendance.

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/OldD...AA2020.pdf

I’ll post the 20-21 statements when they’re issued which should be anyday. In the past they’ve been pretty close to the equity in athletics reports.

(06-22-2022 10:28 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Budgets and attendance talk is nice and all that but it’s irrelevant if you’re not playing in NY6 bowls and go on a deep run in the NCAAT.

Don’t get wrong, those are two nice things to brag about but if having money and fan support were the end of it all, the University of Texas at Austin would be winning championships in football and basketball.

Also, you can’t compare the budgets of FAU and USM when the cost of living, labor cost and doing business is substantially higher in Boca Raton than in Hattiesburg.

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