(06-30-2022 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  But it isn't greed. It's fear. The reason so many here doubted the potential of this is because you were focused on sports. IMO, this became evident when Texas moved. Institutions like Texas, which had resided in a world of its own making, and which sat atop yearly revenue leaders, doesn't move out of greed. Something had to scare the hell out of them for that to happen. So, what was it?
Demographic and Economic paradigm shifts amid an uncertain global political future. These moves are a circling of the wagons for defense, strength in numbers.

I can not refute this analysis.

(06-30-2022 01:49 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  I would wait until everything is negotiated and signed and USC/UCLA are in the B1G. A lot can still happen. The European superleague was a done deal until it leaked and the fans freaked out.

Yeah, this can’t be discounted. The PAC has been on the losing end in the past with Texas at least twice and Colorado once. And USC has been a known pain in the conference.

But consider what the two schools get here: part of a conference with a far better media reach in an eastern-friendly time schedule. Not that USC and UCLA fans in CA will love to have 9am games to watch when the Trojans and Bruins go to Piscataway or College Park, but, they don’t have to deal with the “who’s good enough to be with us” crap that has cost them at least OU in the past, other schools that could have brought them further east.

(06-30-2022 04:24 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:43 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Frank with a classy move to admit he was wrong. I respect FtheTank.

Somewhere in Alabama, JRsec sits back with glass of wine in hand, cigar in the other and sporting Hugh Hefner loungewear ... basking in the glory of having his prediction be proved correct.

The implosion is about to hit. JRsec nailed it.

Actually, I don't smoke, have on khakis and a work shirt, have to finish up my blueberry harvest and will likely celebrate the relief of frustration with not being able to get others to grasp the scope by having a neat 15-year-old single malt. I gave my 18-year-old single malt to my best friend earlier this year. He needed it. And I lounge in gym shorts and a t-shirt. Hef was self-absorbed and I don't need a blue pill. It just takes all night to do what I used to do all night!

I've never met you but mentally visualizing JRsec in gym shorts and a t-shirt ... simply seems odd. I pictured you in an expensive British-made suit and ascot.

Yep, I laughed out loud at that! I garden and bust a fast pace for 2 to 2.5 miles a day. Can't jog because of a football knee. So, Bill Dazzle you might say my retired years have been spent keeping the ticker going and intentionally trying to ironically keep my ass from needing a cot!

(06-30-2022 05:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 04:24 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:43 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Frank with a classy move to admit he was wrong. I respect FtheTank.

Somewhere in Alabama, JRsec sits back with glass of wine in hand, cigar in the other and sporting Hugh Hefner loungewear ... basking in the glory of having his prediction be proved correct.

The implosion is about to hit. JRsec nailed it.

Actually, I don't smoke, have on khakis and a work shirt, have to finish up my blueberry harvest and will likely celebrate the relief of frustration with not being able to get others to grasp the scope by having a neat 15-year-old single malt. I gave my 18-year-old single malt to my best friend earlier this year. He needed it. And I lounge in gym shorts and a t-shirt. Hef was self-absorbed and I don't need a blue pill. It just takes all night to do what I used to do all night!

I've never met you but mentally visualizing JRsec in gym shorts and a t-shirt ... simply seems odd. I pictured you in an expensive British-made suit and ascot.

Yep, I laughed out loud at that! I garden and bust a fast pace for 2 to 2.5 miles a day. Can't jog because of a football knee. So, Bill Dazzle you might say my retired years have been spent keeping the ticker going and intentionally trying to ironically keep my ass from needing a cot!

(06-30-2022 04:21 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:28 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I would be nervous to be Oregon State and Washington State.

Those 2 are screwed.

Like WVU way back, "they are Big XII schools, just not in the conference's natural region." It's working well for WVU, so, if available, they'd have a home with us, hopefully. No need to start burning couches there.

PAC-12-2 ... stick together as much as possible! Via the West Division of the Big XII(+?).

I said years ago on this board UH would be in the PAC now .looks like part of PAC will be in the B12 with UH possibly. Besides you got ESPN and Fox wanting to consolidate CFB been moving that direction for yrs anyone can see it. There are some School's who were born on on home plate and think they hit a grand slam. Those days are going to come to end quicker than I suspected. I thought the 2030's but tv right partners are speeding things up. There will be a culling. Why should I pay 50- 100M for your school when you don't bring a 100M valuation. It's coming they just have to figure out how to do it, if they haven't already done so.

(06-30-2022 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:20 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  You were right. That is all.

Frank, what you been posting throughout the years is common sense. But if there’s something we have all learned since the first big realignment of the 21st century (ACC expanding to 12) is to expect the unexpected.

Greed is killing the sport. These are no longer 100 year decisions. It’s just let’s ride this television bubble until it bursts.

We'll see. But it isn't greed. It's fear. The reason so many here doubted the potential of this is because you were focused on sports. IMO, this became evident when Texas moved. Institutions like Texas, which had resided in a world of its own making, and which sat atop yearly revenue leaders, doesn't move out of greed. Something had to scare the hell out of them for that to happen. So, what was it?
Demographic and Economic paradigm shifts amid an uncertain global political future. These moves are a circling of the wagons for defense, strength in numbers.

And thank you Frank, but it's okay. Your thoughts were based on logic from within the sports world. My advantage on this one was that I was looking at demographics only until the financial issues leapt in with 2006-8. It's not about sports now. It's about outside stressors. My frustration was I couldn't get folks to see the connection and impact.

Much more to come I fear. Swarbricks comments were majorly affirmative of what I saw and heard.

For Texas, I agree, it was about fear. Recruiting was slipping. A&M in the SEC was slowing becoming dominant in recruiting. Without recruiting, losing would become endemic. If you can't beat'um, join'um.

What did Swarbrick say?

USC/UCLA has my head spinning, lol.

(06-30-2022 07:43 PM)XOVERX Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:20 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  You were right. That is all.

Frank, what you been posting throughout the years is common sense. But if there’s something we have all learned since the first big realignment of the 21st century (ACC expanding to 12) is to expect the unexpected.

Greed is killing the sport. These are no longer 100 year decisions. It’s just let’s ride this television bubble until it bursts.

We'll see. But it isn't greed. It's fear. The reason so many here doubted the potential of this is because you were focused on sports. IMO, this became evident when Texas moved. Institutions like Texas, which had resided in a world of its own making, and which sat atop yearly revenue leaders, doesn't move out of greed. Something had to scare the hell out of them for that to happen. So, what was it?
Demographic and Economic paradigm shifts amid an uncertain global political future. These moves are a circling of the wagons for defense, strength in numbers.

And thank you Frank, but it's okay. Your thoughts were based on logic from within the sports world. My advantage on this one was that I was looking at demographics only until the financial issues leapt in with 2006-8. It's not about sports now. It's about outside stressors. My frustration was I couldn't get folks to see the connection and impact.

Much more to come I fear. Swarbricks comments were majorly affirmative of what I saw and heard.

For Texas, I agree, it was about fear. Recruiting was slipping. A&M in the SEC was slowing becoming dominant in recruiting. Without recruiting, losing would become endemic. If you can't beat'um, join'um.

What did Swarbrick say?

USC/UCLA has my head spinning, lol.

Nonsense about A&M. The problem was Alabama, Georgia, Ohio St. and Clemson coming into Texas and picking off the 5 stars. This past season, after UT's announcement, Texas and Texas A&M both did better than they had in years in Texas.

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(06-30-2022 07:43 PM)XOVERX Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:20 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  You were right. That is all.

Frank, what you been posting throughout the years is common sense. But if there’s something we have all learned since the first big realignment of the 21st century (ACC expanding to 12) is to expect the unexpected.

Greed is killing the sport. These are no longer 100 year decisions. It’s just let’s ride this television bubble until it bursts.

We'll see. But it isn't greed. It's fear. The reason so many here doubted the potential of this is because you were focused on sports. IMO, this became evident when Texas moved. Institutions like Texas, which had resided in a world of its own making, and which sat atop yearly revenue leaders, doesn't move out of greed. Something had to scare the hell out of them for that to happen. So, what was it?
Demographic and Economic paradigm shifts amid an uncertain global political future. These moves are a circling of the wagons for defense, strength in numbers.

And thank you Frank, but it's okay. Your thoughts were based on logic from within the sports world. My advantage on this one was that I was looking at demographics only until the financial issues leapt in with 2006-8. It's not about sports now. It's about outside stressors. My frustration was I couldn't get folks to see the connection and impact.

Much more to come I fear. Swarbricks comments were majorly affirmative of what I saw and heard.

For Texas, I agree, it was about fear. Recruiting was slipping. A&M in the SEC was slowing becoming dominant in recruiting. Without recruiting, losing would become endemic. If you can't beat'um, join'um.

What did Swarbrick say?

USC/UCLA has my head spinning, lol.

When the UT/OU to the SEC decision was announced, I expected that outcome would happen. I was surprised with the speed of it. I was thinking such would be declared 1 to 3 years later. But with the B12 contract approaching the “window” for the departure, and the complications that go along with it beforehand, that timing became quickly sensible.

I perceived the Big 10 was pressed to make a bold move, a splash, given the SEC action. I didn’t know what exactly it would be, given the limited options. Certainly, they still wanted to lure ND, and the ACC’s GoR stymied going there anytime soon. I considered the pursuing of PAC12 schools as being less realistic, largely due to logistics. That matter will still be a factor as the UCLA-USC (+?) transition plan unfolds.

JRsec and Frank had extended dialogue and speculation on the Big 10 adding PAC schools as a strategic initiative. Again, my thoughts were “too soon” and futuristic-oriented, though I wasn’t dismissive of it happening at some point in an open-ended way.

JRsec has displayed impressive timing for the 2 super-conferences predictions.