If I’m a Big 12 school, I’m not joining the PAC 10 unless they are taking 6-8 Big 12 schools. I’d want assurances that there’d still be a conference there.

I do like an idea I saw floating around where the PAC 10-OSU & WSU got absorbed by the ACC and the ACC went to 3 divisions:

East: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, VT, Cincy, Louisville, Miami
Atlantic: UVA, UNC, NC St, Duke, WF, Clemson, GT, FSU
Pacific: Wash, Ore, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Ariz St

(07-01-2022 03:16 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  I can tell you two of them off the top of my head right now who may or may not be looking to join the future Big XII: Former Big XII Colorado and former MWC member Utah. There would be your land bridge to BYU as well as TWO natural (or at least potential in the case of Colorado) rivals for the Cougs. (Not to be confused with Coogs, which is the shortened nickname for the Houston Cougars.)

Let's assume for a minute UO, WU, and potentially Stanford Cal end up in the B1G eventually, the B1G can always add ND and another at a later date.

I think any combo of ND+GaTech/KU/Colorado would work for the B1G. GaTech more likely if the ACC GoR is dissolved and they can't find a home in the SEC.

(07-01-2022 03:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If I’m a Big 12 school, I’m not joining the PAC 10 unless they are taking 6-8 Big 12 schools. I’d want assurances that there’d still be a conference there.

I do like an idea I saw floating around where the PAC 10-OSU & WSU got absorbed by the ACC and the ACC went to 3 divisions:

East: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, VT, Cincy, Louisville, Miami
Atlantic: UVA, UNC, NC St, Duke, WF, Clemson, GT, FSU
Pacific: Wash, Ore, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Ariz St

Yeah, missed that one. That would be an amazing backdoor move by ESpin. Take out the best remaining properties and have a four team playoff to decide your champ. It's very balanced as well. Not sure where ND fits in. ESPN would have to find them a home in the B1G with a partner.

(07-01-2022 03:23 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 03:16 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  I can tell you two of them off the top of my head right now who may or may not be looking to join the future Big XII: Former Big XII Colorado and former MWC member Utah. There would be your land bridge to BYU as well as TWO natural (or at least potential in the case of Colorado) rivals for the Cougs. (Not to be confused with Coogs, which is the shortened nickname for the Houston Cougars.)

Let's assume for a minute UO, WU, and potentially Stanford Cal end up in the B1G eventually, the B1G can always add ND and another at a later date.

I think any combo of ND+GaTech/KU/Colorado would work for the B1G. GaTech more likely if the ACC GoR is dissolved and they can't find a home in the SEC.

Yes, Kansas is probably the only Big XII that may have a realistic shot at getting into the Big 10 due to its AAU status. (And everything you said is a possibility because never say never, right? That said, it would make more sense for Colorado to rejoin the Big XII since they have a long history with the Kansas schools, Iowa State, and Oklahoma State as well as some history with Texas Tech and Baylor.)

Luckily, this is all just speculation on our part until we have something that undeniably concrete evidence. Ain't college sports fun?

It wouldn't surprise me if Colorado would be interested in returning to the Big 12 while Brigham Young is now eyeing the Pac-12.

A lot of this may hinge on Utah. If the Big 12 can sell Utah on switching that would probably delight Brigham Young and keep them in the fold. If the Pac-12 can keep Utah in the conference, that might keep that conference solid and viable.

The Big 12 might be wise to give SDSU options

If would be something if they could offer SoCal exposure while the PAC could not

(07-01-2022 02:42 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 02:40 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 01:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Next big question is would any Big 12 schools will be interested?

Why would they? The PAC would need to show they can pull in more revenue than the Big XII. I would think everyone will be waiting to see if any more Pac 12 schools say they are leaving before making any decisions.

Even if the PAC can't land 1 XII school they can still hurt the XII by taking long term options off the table like SDSU and CSU.

Those don’t hurt the Big 12. It can go East or west.

(07-01-2022 02:42 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 02:40 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 01:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Next big question is would any Big 12 schools will be interested?

Why would they? The PAC would need to show they can pull in more revenue than the Big XII. I would think everyone will be waiting to see if any more Pac 12 schools say they are leaving before making any decisions.

Even if the PAC can't land 1 XII school they can still hurt the XII by taking long term options off the table like SDSU and CSU.

Those don’t hurt the Big 12. It can go East or west.

(07-01-2022 03:43 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 02:42 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 02:40 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 01:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Next big question is would any Big 12 schools will be interested?

Why would they? The PAC would need to show they can pull in more revenue than the Big XII. I would think everyone will be waiting to see if any more Pac 12 schools say they are leaving before making any decisions.

Even if the PAC can't land 1 XII school they can still hurt the XII by taking long term options off the table like SDSU and CSU.

Those don’t hurt the Big 12. It can go East or west.

It doesn't matter. The Big XII is a "rump" conference, remember?

/sarcasm

They could try this:

Pac 16

Wash, WSU, Oreg, OSU, Cal, Stan, Ariz, ASU

SD St, UNLV, Boise, Utah, Col, New Mexico, SMU, Rice

I wonder if some type of PAC-ACC arrangement could be made.

Both conferences value academics.

Travel wouldn't really be that bad outside of made for TV football and basketball games.

ESPN would have to be the TV partner since ESPN controls ACC TV rights.

(07-01-2022 03:12 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Right now I think the Pac 12 schools left other than Oregon and Washington are calling the Big 12 offices.

In case you forgot, this from OU President Joseph Harroz Jr. shortly after the decision to leave the Big 12: Harroz: “During that time period (2018 through May of 2021), it became clear that the Big 12 was the last in line for media negotiations. Not just among all the Power Five conferences, but among all of those with the major broadcasters in live sports, be it the NFL, NHL, all of it. Being last in line has consequences...

“There are a lot of conversations about money. But there are also other critical factors. A big factor is which time slots are filled by those that negotiated before you. You’ve heard conversations with Joe Castiglione talking about not enjoying 11 a.m. kickoffs. Our fans talk about that. It also matters to student-athletes.

“When those go before you in terms of negotiations for 2025 and beyond, if the premier slots are already taken, it impacts things in a material way, and it translates to disadvantages in recruiting the top talent, disadvantages for our student-athletes, and a detriment to the fan experience.”

The Big 12 is still up last. If the Pac-12 does not lose any other schools, then they just need to add San Diego State and at least one more school to get back to 12. Leaving for the Big 12 is like taking a new job further away from home and without any idea as to what you salary is going to be. It does not make any sense to be calling the Big 12 offices.

(07-01-2022 03:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 03:12 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/usc-...sec-big-12

This is Michael Corleone vs Moe Green on who is going to buy who out. PAC vs B12

I read this article earlier today. It looks like the new Big12 commish gets to go shopping out west.

(07-01-2022 04:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 03:12 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Right now I think the Pac 12 schools left other than Oregon and Washington are calling the Big 12 offices.

In case you forgot, this from OU President Joseph Harroz Jr. shortly after the decision to leave the Big 12: Harroz: “During that time period (2018 through May of 2021), it became clear that the Big 12 was the last in line for media negotiations. Not just among all the Power Five conferences, but among all of those with the major broadcasters in live sports, be it the NFL, NHL, all of it. Being last in line has consequences...

“There are a lot of conversations about money. But there are also other critical factors. A big factor is which time slots are filled by those that negotiated before you. You’ve heard conversations with Joe Castiglione talking about not enjoying 11 a.m. kickoffs. Our fans talk about that. It also matters to student-athletes.

“When those go before you in terms of negotiations for 2025 and beyond, if the premier slots are already taken, it impacts things in a material way, and it translates to disadvantages in recruiting the top talent, disadvantages for our student-athletes, and a detriment to the fan experience.”

The Big 12 is still up last. If the Pac-12 does not lose any other schools, then they just need to make add San Diego State and at least one more school to get back to 12. Leaving for the Big 12 is like taking a new job further away from home and without any idea as to what you salary is going to be. It does not make any sense to be calling the Big 12 offices.

Totally agree. Fans here say the Pac-12 is hemorrhaging and the Big 12 is stable; they said the opposite last Summer when every Big 12 school was contacting every other P5 for a place to land.

Presuming the Big Ten is done and will announce their new media deal in the next two weeks, the Pac-12 will have 12 months to plan their next step and woo whichever Big 12 teams they can get.

The ACC isn't even stable at this point. The term stable is very relative. Compared to where the PAC 12 was at last week, they are very unstable at the moment.

I can see where this is going. The Pac-12 and Big 12 will go to war and the loser will be the MWC.

Oh well, it was nice being in the "stable" part of the country with just two 12-member FBS conferences and no realignment prospects. That party is over.

(07-01-2022 02:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

Wilner says disentegration is not off the table.

This will come down to Cal and Stanford's ability to lower their standards and if Big12 schools are willing to jump. If they continue to choose to be snobbish and not add the best schools for TV $$$ then the Pac will be a dead conference walking even if they don't lose another school this year.

Schools they need to look at: SDSU, BYU, TCU, Houston, Kansas

SDSU - For the So.Cal recruiting and good sized market.

BYU - Brand name, quality athletics

TCU and Houston - Massive markets to replace losing LA

Kansas - Brand name, AAU


The 6th spot can go to OK St. or Baylor whichever the is more enticing for the Big12 schools.

PAC needs to work on one school at a time here.

BYU would view the PAC as a destination conference because they are in Utah and its the region where there religion is predominant. I think they are an easy yes.

Kansas has an academic ego and may do PAC because they don't have an exit fee. B1G seems very remote at this point in time. BYU+KU gives you 12.

Then you go out to Texas Tech/OSU with 2 yes votes in your hand and ask them if they are going to make more money in a 12 team XII with future additions Memphis and Tulane or better going to a 14 team PAC with CU/KU? If one is not sure then slip in TCU or SMU as back up.

The PAC is pulling an SBC where they have more flexibility to add since they only have 10 more compact members instead of the XII's far flung 12.

Let’s get this straight: there is no replacing USC and UCLA. It’s not happening.

It seems to me that the California Pac schools (including the departures) are working together to move in stages as to not destroy the conference of their longtime compatriots.

If that is indeed the case, I bet we see a move into Texas first with Texas Tech and TCU; the most westward leaning of the Big XII. There you get a couple firecracker cowboy teams and two sensible groups, but no divisions:

Cal,, Stanford, Oregon, OSU, Washington, Wazzou

Utah, Colorado, Arizona, ASU, TTU, TCU

That’s a power conference.