(07-16-2022 08:04 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Members are just not going to be dropped. The state legislatures or Washington/Oregon aren't going to let OSU and WSU hanging for UO and WU to receive what perhaps amounts to a 10-15% pay raise. You can justify that separation with B1G money. We see that UCLA is already facing problems. You can't justify that legally/financially if you are UO/WU and looking to join nBig12 schools.

Likewise, WVU, BYU, and UCF aren't going to be dropped out of inconvenience for certain PAC schools. There is no 16 team setup that is going to rival the SEC/B1G and provide enough financial justification to just dissolve and leave behind schools with lesser weight (in whatever metric you want to use). That's just not how realignment works.

The only way UO WU are slipping away from their in-state peers is to join the B1G for a 100% pay increase. It's even less inconceivable that east coast nBig12 schools will just be dropped.

What problem is UCLA having?

You mean some rhetoric 2 weeks AFTER?

(07-16-2022 08:07 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 08:04 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Members are just not going to be dropped. The state legislatures or Washington/Oregon aren't going to let OSU and WSU hanging for UO and WU to receive what perhaps amounts to a 10-15% pay raise. You can justify that separation with B1G money. We see that UCLA is already facing problems. You can't justify that legally/financially if you are UO/WU and looking to join nBig12 schools.

Likewise, WVU, BYU, and UCF aren't going to be dropped out of inconvenience for certain PAC schools. There is no 16 team setup that is going to rival the SEC/B1G and provide enough financial justification to just dissolve and leave behind schools with lesser weight (in whatever metric you want to use). That's just not how realignment works.

The only way UO WU are slipping away from their in-state peers is to join the B1G for a 100% pay increase. It's even less inconceivable that east coast nBig12 schools will just be dropped.

What problem is UCLA having?

You mean some rhetoric 2 weeks AFTER?

Even if Newsome is butthurt, UCLA is receiving a 50-75% increase. You can justify that to a board and to your boosters. You can't justify Oregon leaving to join the ranks of ISU and KSU. I mean, those are all great programs and the nBig12 will be fine as it is, but it's not the B1G. Nobody is leaving the PAC to join those schools in a vacuum. Neither would they leave Stanford/Cal behind. It's like Big 12 schools like KU leaving for the ACC if OUT still remained in conference. Little to no financial incentives, cultural similarities, or geographic sensibilities.

(07-16-2022 07:41 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 06:06 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Noticed you ^^^ left out Cincinnati, Kansas State, UCF and West Virginia.

Trying to understand why leave them out of the Big12

Because this new league is a western focused league rather than Conference USA concept. There are enough programs on the East Coast who want to move up to form a new east coast league for them

What is this new western focused new league? Any links?

(07-16-2022 08:13 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 08:07 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 08:04 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Members are just not going to be dropped. The state legislatures or Washington/Oregon aren't going to let OSU and WSU hanging for UO and WU to receive what perhaps amounts to a 10-15% pay raise. You can justify that separation with B1G money. We see that UCLA is already facing problems. You can't justify that legally/financially if you are UO/WU and looking to join nBig12 schools.

Likewise, WVU, BYU, and UCF aren't going to be dropped out of inconvenience for certain PAC schools. There is no 16 team setup that is going to rival the SEC/B1G and provide enough financial justification to just dissolve and leave behind schools with lesser weight (in whatever metric you want to use). That's just not how realignment works.

The only way UO WU are slipping away from their in-state peers is to join the B1G for a 100% pay increase. It's even less inconceivable that east coast nBig12 schools will just be dropped.

What problem is UCLA having?

You mean some rhetoric 2 weeks AFTER?

Even if Newsome is butthurt, UCLA is receiving a 50-75% increase. You can justify that to a board and to your boosters. You can't justify Oregon leaving to join the ranks of ISU and KSU. I mean, those are all great programs and the nBig12 will be fine as it is, but it's not the B1G. Nobody is leaving the PAC to join those schools in a vacuum. Neither would they leave Stanford/Cal behind. It's like Big 12 schools like KU leaving for the ACC if OUT still remained in conference. Little to no financial incentives, cultural similarities, or geographic sensibilities.

I don't think Big 10 fans in the majority, don't care about the two California schools. They do not fit in the Big 10. Fewer games a year than a bunch of games is more preferable.

22 is just a crap load of schools to try and build a full merger with. What we might be dealing with is:

a Big 12 that wants the PAC 10 to leave behind WSU and OSU to join them (20)
a PAC 10 that wants the Big 12 to leave behind Cincy, WVU, UCF, and Houston to join them (18)

Maybe what they need to do is just agree to merge their tv rights and negotiate jointly with the networks rather than letting the networks put them against each other and try to drive down the price for content.

(07-16-2022 06:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  A sensible answer.

Utah is surely looking at all its options. I think all schools do that, LOL.

Just like every Big 12 school did after OUT was announced

(07-16-2022 06:06 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Sounds like Utah is exploring the Big 12.

this^
Much different vibe than last we heard.

(07-16-2022 08:41 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 06:06 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Sounds like Utah is exploring the Big 12.

this^
Much different vibe than last we heard.

Last we heard were only "sources." This is official.

(07-16-2022 07:41 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 06:06 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Noticed you ^^^ left out Cincinnati, Kansas State, UCF and West Virginia.

Trying to understand why leave them out of the Big12

Because this new league is a western focused league rather than Conference USA concept. There are enough programs on the East Coast who want to move up to form a new east coast league for them

After the ACC is picked off by the nSEC and nB1G I seriously doubt Cincinnati, Kansas State, UCF, West Virginia will want any part of what’s left of ACC.