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(08-09-2022 10:28 AM)otown Wrote:  I understand that this is what was in the contract when it was originally made. However, the contract did in fact open up when Aresco was negotiating to avoid haircuts for the existing left behind members. Has anybody asked whether any other part of the contract changed as a result of this? I am under no illusion that the mouse did that favor for the AAC out of the goodness of their heart and feel like they would have used that as leverage to give up something else......mainly carriage obligations.

Does anyone know for certain? Has anyone in the media ever asked this question to Aresco? Has he ever mentioned it? It seems to me that everyone was always up in arms about money, but this very important detail could have been swept under the carpet...... for good reason too.

Plus with the news today that ESPN is not going to get BT games, it makes it less likely that they will try to limit AAC games on ESPN2

I agree about ESPN2, but I was more interested in the ABC and ESPN games

Honestly might get better access without them having B1G content to show on there.

You may be right depending on what happens with PAC and Big 12. I think for AAC, the best scenario is Fox winning out for Big 12. Whatever happens with PAC doesnt mean much because there is less overlap for time slots due to the time zones. However, others on this board such as JRSec, who seems to have called this entire scenario from a mile away, feels ESPN may go hard for Big 12 to block Fox from the SE and SW, in which case this takes more mouse TV slots.

I could be wrong but I doubt ESPN goes much after Big12, the PAC is what they would want to fill late schedule. But most of those ABC/ ESPN slots are going to go to SEC and leftovers ACC, the PAC will get a few. I think it will be FOX who Big12 ends up with because they need to fill around the BigTen schedule.
The new reality is that the Big Ten/ SEC are going to dominate those ABC, FOX, CBS games. The other leagues are just fillers for their secondary and tertiary networks.
The way I see it
ABC/ ESPN
Noon: SEC and ACC
3:30: SEC/ ACC
7:30: SEC/ ACC, PAC
10:30: PAC
The American could squeeze into those spots but I doubt is only a few times. Most of our games will end up on ESPN on Thursday or Friday and on ESPN2
With the SEC at 16 that’s at least 8 conference games on most weekends and the ACC with 7 more. That’s 15 games a weekend, not counting PAC, American and SunBelt games
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RE: TV contracts
(08-09-2022 02:49 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:02 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 12:55 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 10:39 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Plus with the news today that ESPN is not going to get BT games, it makes it less likely that they will try to limit AAC games on ESPN2

I agree about ESPN2, but I was more interested in the ABC and ESPN games

Honestly might get better access without them having B1G content to show on there.

You may be right depending on what happens with PAC and Big 12. I think for AAC, the best scenario is Fox winning out for Big 12. Whatever happens with PAC doesnt mean much because there is less overlap for time slots due to the time zones. However, others on this board such as JRSec, who seems to have called this entire scenario from a mile away, feels ESPN may go hard for Big 12 to block Fox from the SE and SW, in which case this takes more mouse TV slots.

I could be wrong but I doubt ESPN goes much after Big12, the PAC is what they would want to fill late schedule. But most of those ABC/ ESPN slots are going to go to SEC and leftovers ACC, the PAC will get a few. I think it will be FOX who Big12 ends up with because they need to fill around the BigTen schedule.
The new reality is that the Big Ten/ SEC are going to dominate those ABC, FOX, CBS games. The other leagues are just fillers for their secondary and tertiary networks.
The way I see it
ABC/ ESPN
Noon: SEC and ACC
3:30: SEC/ ACC
7:30: SEC/ ACC, PAC
10:30: PAC
The American could squeeze into those spots but I doubt is only a few times. Most of our games will end up on ESPN on Thursday or Friday and on ESPN2
With the SEC at 16 that’s at least 8 conference games on most weekends and the ACC with 7 more. That’s 15 games a weekend, not counting PAC, American and SunBelt games

Keep in mind the SBC has like 9 saturday linear ESPN games a season
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RE: TV contracts
(08-09-2022 02:49 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:02 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 12:55 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 10:39 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Plus with the news today that ESPN is not going to get BT games, it makes it less likely that they will try to limit AAC games on ESPN2

I agree about ESPN2, but I was more interested in the ABC and ESPN games

Honestly might get better access without them having B1G content to show on there.

You may be right depending on what happens with PAC and Big 12. I think for AAC, the best scenario is Fox winning out for Big 12. Whatever happens with PAC doesnt mean much because there is less overlap for time slots due to the time zones. However, others on this board such as JRSec, who seems to have called this entire scenario from a mile away, feels ESPN may go hard for Big 12 to block Fox from the SE and SW, in which case this takes more mouse TV slots.

I could be wrong but I doubt ESPN goes much after Big12, the PAC is what they would want to fill late schedule. But most of those ABC/ ESPN slots are going to go to SEC and leftovers ACC, the PAC will get a few. I think it will be FOX who Big12 ends up with because they need to fill around the BigTen schedule.
The new reality is that the Big Ten/ SEC are going to dominate those ABC, FOX, CBS games. The other leagues are just fillers for their secondary and tertiary networks.
The way I see it
ABC/ ESPN
Noon: SEC and ACC
3:30: SEC/ ACC
7:30: SEC/ ACC, PAC
10:30: PAC
The American could squeeze into those spots but I doubt is only a few times. Most of our games will end up on ESPN on Thursday or Friday and on ESPN2
With the SEC at 16 that’s at least 8 conference games on most weekends and the ACC with 7 more. That’s 15 games a weekend, not counting PAC, American and SunBelt games

This definitely sets the stage for an interesting year in terms of conference alignment. Were ESPN motivated to do so it could incentivize the ACC and PAC to take some Big12 (or vice-versa) properties. It would take financial incentives to do so, but taking the 350 million they were prepared to offer the B1G they have some room to play and they get a lot more content.
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(08-09-2022 02:59 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 02:49 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:02 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 12:55 PM)otown Wrote:  I agree about ESPN2, but I was more interested in the ABC and ESPN games

Honestly might get better access without them having B1G content to show on there.

You may be right depending on what happens with PAC and Big 12. I think for AAC, the best scenario is Fox winning out for Big 12. Whatever happens with PAC doesnt mean much because there is less overlap for time slots due to the time zones. However, others on this board such as JRSec, who seems to have called this entire scenario from a mile away, feels ESPN may go hard for Big 12 to block Fox from the SE and SW, in which case this takes more mouse TV slots.

I could be wrong but I doubt ESPN goes much after Big12, the PAC is what they would want to fill late schedule. But most of those ABC/ ESPN slots are going to go to SEC and leftovers ACC, the PAC will get a few. I think it will be FOX who Big12 ends up with because they need to fill around the BigTen schedule.
The new reality is that the Big Ten/ SEC are going to dominate those ABC, FOX, CBS games. The other leagues are just fillers for their secondary and tertiary networks.
The way I see it
ABC/ ESPN
Noon: SEC and ACC
3:30: SEC/ ACC
7:30: SEC/ ACC, PAC
10:30: PAC
The American could squeeze into those spots but I doubt is only a few times. Most of our games will end up on ESPN on Thursday or Friday and on ESPN2
With the SEC at 16 that’s at least 8 conference games on most weekends and the ACC with 7 more. That’s 15 games a weekend, not counting PAC, American and SunBelt games

This definitely sets the stage for an interesting year in terms of conference alignment. Were ESPN motivated to do so it could incentivize the ACC and PAC to take some Big12 (or vice-versa) properties. It would take financial incentives to do so, but taking the 350 million they were prepared to offer the B1G they have some room to play and they get a lot more content.

Doubt I see ESPN spending extra money to get that done. The fact is that they will have bigger names signed up from SEC,ACC and PAC than anyone from the Big12. That’s why I see FOX really being the Big12 best bet. But if ESPN doesn’t bid on them it will lower the amount they will get.
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(08-09-2022 03:11 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 02:59 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 02:49 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:02 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  Honestly might get better access without them having B1G content to show on there.

You may be right depending on what happens with PAC and Big 12. I think for AAC, the best scenario is Fox winning out for Big 12. Whatever happens with PAC doesnt mean much because there is less overlap for time slots due to the time zones. However, others on this board such as JRSec, who seems to have called this entire scenario from a mile away, feels ESPN may go hard for Big 12 to block Fox from the SE and SW, in which case this takes more mouse TV slots.

I could be wrong but I doubt ESPN goes much after Big12, the PAC is what they would want to fill late schedule. But most of those ABC/ ESPN slots are going to go to SEC and leftovers ACC, the PAC will get a few. I think it will be FOX who Big12 ends up with because they need to fill around the BigTen schedule.
The new reality is that the Big Ten/ SEC are going to dominate those ABC, FOX, CBS games. The other leagues are just fillers for their secondary and tertiary networks.
The way I see it
ABC/ ESPN
Noon: SEC and ACC
3:30: SEC/ ACC
7:30: SEC/ ACC, PAC
10:30: PAC
The American could squeeze into those spots but I doubt is only a few times. Most of our games will end up on ESPN on Thursday or Friday and on ESPN2
With the SEC at 16 that’s at least 8 conference games on most weekends and the ACC with 7 more. That’s 15 games a weekend, not counting PAC, American and SunBelt games

This definitely sets the stage for an interesting year in terms of conference alignment. Were ESPN motivated to do so it could incentivize the ACC and PAC to take some Big12 (or vice-versa) properties. It would take financial incentives to do so, but taking the 350 million they were prepared to offer the B1G they have some room to play and they get a lot more content.

Doubt I see ESPN spending extra money to get that done. The fact is that they will have bigger names signed up from SEC,ACC and PAC than anyone from the Big12. That’s why I see FOX really being the Big12 best bet. But if ESPN doesn’t bid on them it will lower the amount they will get.

Its also intriguing that next year we will have 133 FBS schools and four independents. Assuming Navy would go back to indy should something happen to the American. Eight, 16 team conferences = 128 + 5 indy = 133. Nice and tidy for a 16 team playoff, 8 auto-bids and 8 at-large.
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(08-09-2022 03:16 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 03:11 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 02:59 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 02:49 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  You may be right depending on what happens with PAC and Big 12. I think for AAC, the best scenario is Fox winning out for Big 12. Whatever happens with PAC doesnt mean much because there is less overlap for time slots due to the time zones. However, others on this board such as JRSec, who seems to have called this entire scenario from a mile away, feels ESPN may go hard for Big 12 to block Fox from the SE and SW, in which case this takes more mouse TV slots.

I could be wrong but I doubt ESPN goes much after Big12, the PAC is what they would want to fill late schedule. But most of those ABC/ ESPN slots are going to go to SEC and leftovers ACC, the PAC will get a few. I think it will be FOX who Big12 ends up with because they need to fill around the BigTen schedule.
The new reality is that the Big Ten/ SEC are going to dominate those ABC, FOX, CBS games. The other leagues are just fillers for their secondary and tertiary networks.
The way I see it
ABC/ ESPN
Noon: SEC and ACC
3:30: SEC/ ACC
7:30: SEC/ ACC, PAC
10:30: PAC
The American could squeeze into those spots but I doubt is only a few times. Most of our games will end up on ESPN on Thursday or Friday and on ESPN2
With the SEC at 16 that’s at least 8 conference games on most weekends and the ACC with 7 more. That’s 15 games a weekend, not counting PAC, American and SunBelt games

This definitely sets the stage for an interesting year in terms of conference alignment. Were ESPN motivated to do so it could incentivize the ACC and PAC to take some Big12 (or vice-versa) properties. It would take financial incentives to do so, but taking the 350 million they were prepared to offer the B1G they have some room to play and they get a lot more content.

Doubt I see ESPN spending extra money to get that done. The fact is that they will have bigger names signed up from SEC,ACC and PAC than anyone from the Big12. That’s why I see FOX really being the Big12 best bet. But if ESPN doesn’t bid on them it will lower the amount they will get.

Its also intriguing that next year we will have 133 FBS schools and four independents. Assuming Navy would go back to indy should something happen to the American. Eight, 16 team conferences = 128 + 5 indy = 133. Nice and tidy for a 16 team playoff, 8 auto-bids and 8 at-large.

That’s never going to happen with the current P2. No way they split playoffs that way
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(08-09-2022 10:32 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 10:28 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 10:24 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 10:19 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 09:56 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Looks like ESPN is out from Big Ten. BT wanted a 7 year 380 million deal.

https://twitter.com/ourand_sbj/status/15...2Z-0PW3M-Q

If true then we know ABC/ ESPN have SEC and ACC to fill their ABC/ ESPN schedules with the American having access to some ABC/ ESPN contract. You figure they will now go for PAC to get the late ESPN slots and probably offer them a few ABC/ ESPN slots at 7:30 pm.

We now have to see what CBS, NBC, and FOX get from BT and what’s left for Big12

Outside of comments by Aresco, has anyone seen anything in black and white regarding the charges to the AAC contract. I know there are half shares for the CUSA teams and same share for left behinds. My question is, did anything else charge regarding exposure and certain TV carriages? Is it possible that in exchange for keeping the same payout, the AAC gets more on ESPN+ and less on traditional cable/OTA?

No. AAC got as part of their contract at least 20 games a year on ABC,ESPN, ESPN2 and at least 40 if you add ESPNU.
So more likely at the end of the day AAC will get worst case.
20 ESPNU games
The other 20 mostly ESPN2
A few ESPN games probably Thursday or Friday
An ABC game if one of our schools is hosting a big name program like USF hosting Alabama

I understand that this is what was in the contract when it was originally made. However, the contract did in fact open up when Aresco was negotiating to avoid haircuts for the existing left behind members. Has anybody asked whether any other part of the contract changed as a result of this? I am under no illusion that the mouse did that favor for the AAC out of the goodness of their heart and feel like they would have used that as leverage to give up something else......mainly carriage obligations.

Does anyone know for certain? Has anyone in the media ever asked this question to Aresco? Has he ever mentioned it? It seems to me that everyone was always up in arms about money, but this very important detail could have been swept under the carpet...... for good reason too.

The contract remained the same, the only thing that changed was that there are now 14 mouths to feed rather than 11. I’m not going to search around but I remember reading somewhere were he said the AAC was able to maintain same access.

Yes no change to the contract, and Aresco was able to avoid "haircuts" to existing members by offering incoming members only half shares.
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With the new B12 commish I have full faith he gets the most bang for the buck but he even said at media days, "everything is about positioning ourselves for the 2025 deal." Teams have to put up to get the numbers there. Hopefully Baylor and OSU continue their success and the new comers make a dent to help the cause.
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This changed everything and it honestly scares me a bit.

Let’s see what ESPN does. They could just secure the PAC with a solid deal and everything stops.

My nightmare scenario is ESPN decides to make certain Fox and others don’t get anything else. Biggest power play would be to entirely destroy the Big 12.
Move the 8 Big 12 teams to the PAC, and then move Cinci, WVU and Central to the ACC.
That makes two 18 team conferences. ESPN then shares since content between the ACC/PAC12 networks. Makes for perfect balanced scheduling.
That would be the biggest F-You ever to all the other media companies.
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(08-09-2022 05:46 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  This changed everything and it honestly scares me a bit.

Let’s see what ESPN does. They could just secure the PAC with a solid deal and everything stops.

My nightmare scenario is ESPN decides to make certain Fox and others don’t get anything else. Biggest power play would be to entirely destroy the Big 12.
Move the 8 Big 12 teams to the PAC, and then move Cinci, WVU and Central to the ACC.
That makes two 18 team conferences. ESPN then shares since content between the ACC/PAC12 networks. Makes for perfect balanced scheduling.
That would be the biggest F-You ever to all the other media companies.

Jeez...... I didn't realize how clean that would be. However, the leftover Big 12 lose out on a crap load of OUT money in that scenario. Also, how would one coordinate all that? You are dealing with 3 separate conferences.
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(08-09-2022 06:20 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 05:46 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  This changed everything and it honestly scares me a bit.

Let’s see what ESPN does. They could just secure the PAC with a solid deal and everything stops.

My nightmare scenario is ESPN decides to make certain Fox and others don’t get anything else. Biggest power play would be to entirely destroy the Big 12.
Move the 8 Big 12 teams to the PAC, and then move Cinci, WVU and Central to the ACC.
That makes two 18 team conferences. ESPN then shares since content between the ACC/PAC12 networks. Makes for perfect balanced scheduling.
That would be the biggest F-You ever to all the other media companies.

Jeez...... I didn't realize how clean that would be. However, the leftover Big 12 lose out on a crap load of OUT money in that scenario. Also, how would one coordinate all that? You are dealing with 3 separate conferences.

I bet ESPN could facilitate Texas and OU paying a lump sum before they leave and then merge the two.

I’d expect that they’d have the PAC offer the 8 and the ACC the 3 at the same time. That way there are 11 votes to dissolve. If everyone’s happy, who’s gonna fight it… except BYU. In my scenarios they go back to independence.

It’s a super long shot but like you said, super clean and espn benefits the most.
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(08-10-2022 07:55 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 06:20 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 05:46 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  This changed everything and it honestly scares me a bit.

Let’s see what ESPN does. They could just secure the PAC with a solid deal and everything stops.

My nightmare scenario is ESPN decides to make certain Fox and others don’t get anything else. Biggest power play would be to entirely destroy the Big 12.
Move the 8 Big 12 teams to the PAC, and then move Cinci, WVU and Central to the ACC.
That makes two 18 team conferences. ESPN then shares since content between the ACC/PAC12 networks. Makes for perfect balanced scheduling.
That would be the biggest F-You ever to all the other media companies.

Jeez...... I didn't realize how clean that would be. However, the leftover Big 12 lose out on a crap load of OUT money in that scenario. Also, how would one coordinate all that? You are dealing with 3 separate conferences.

I bet ESPN could facilitate Texas and OU paying a lump sum before they leave and then merge the two.

I’d expect that they’d have the PAC offer the 8 and the ACC the 3 at the same time. That way there are 11 votes to dissolve. If everyone’s happy, who’s gonna fight it… except BYU. In my scenarios they go back to independence.

It’s a super long shot but like you said, super clean and espn benefits the most.

Part One did not happen when they thought taking OU and Texas would spit up the league. Part Two will not happen as well. The BIG 12 is here to stay and will grow! the PAC 12 should be worried. And it will be the PAC 12 that will lose schools, not the BIG 12! You are wrong!
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(08-10-2022 07:55 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 06:20 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 05:46 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  This changed everything and it honestly scares me a bit.

Let’s see what ESPN does. They could just secure the PAC with a solid deal and everything stops.

My nightmare scenario is ESPN decides to make certain Fox and others don’t get anything else. Biggest power play would be to entirely destroy the Big 12.
Move the 8 Big 12 teams to the PAC, and then move Cinci, WVU and Central to the ACC.
That makes two 18 team conferences. ESPN then shares since content between the ACC/PAC12 networks. Makes for perfect balanced scheduling.
That would be the biggest F-You ever to all the other media companies.

Jeez...... I didn't realize how clean that would be. However, the leftover Big 12 lose out on a crap load of OUT money in that scenario. Also, how would one coordinate all that? You are dealing with 3 separate conferences.

I bet ESPN could facilitate Texas and OU paying a lump sum before they leave and then merge the two.

I’d expect that they’d have the PAC offer the 8 and the ACC the 3 at the same time. That way there are 11 votes to dissolve. If everyone’s happy, who’s gonna fight it… except BYU. In my scenarios they go back to independence.

It’s a super long shot but like you said, super clean and espn benefits the most.

Well there is the kicker. Didn't realize BYU was left out. That would be one hell of a lawsuit in my opinion and BYU would have every right to launch it.
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(08-10-2022 08:58 AM)ddkatelycoog Wrote:  
(08-10-2022 07:55 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 06:20 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 05:46 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  This changed everything and it honestly scares me a bit.

Let’s see what ESPN does. They could just secure the PAC with a solid deal and everything stops.

My nightmare scenario is ESPN decides to make certain Fox and others don’t get anything else. Biggest power play would be to entirely destroy the Big 12.
Move the 8 Big 12 teams to the PAC, and then move Cinci, WVU and Central to the ACC.
That makes two 18 team conferences. ESPN then shares since content between the ACC/PAC12 networks. Makes for perfect balanced scheduling.
That would be the biggest F-You ever to all the other media companies.

Jeez...... I didn't realize how clean that would be. However, the leftover Big 12 lose out on a crap load of OUT money in that scenario. Also, how would one coordinate all that? You are dealing with 3 separate conferences.

I bet ESPN could facilitate Texas and OU paying a lump sum before they leave and then merge the two.

I’d expect that they’d have the PAC offer the 8 and the ACC the 3 at the same time. That way there are 11 votes to dissolve. If everyone’s happy, who’s gonna fight it… except BYU. In my scenarios they go back to independence.

It’s a super long shot but like you said, super clean and espn benefits the most.

Part One did not happen when they thought taking OU and Texas would spit up the league. Part Two will not happen as well. The BIG 12 is here to stay and will grow! the PAC 12 should be worried. And it will be the PAC 12 that will lose schools, not the BIG 12! You are wrong!

Chill out, he was only talking about a long shot hypothetical
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(08-08-2022 09:10 PM)TU 1978 Wrote:  This should be interesting, especially if the top 8 in both the PAC and Big 12 form a brand new conference.

If this comes to pass, does the AAC take UCF, Cincy and UH back and kick the CUSA teams out?

This is just sad at this point.
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RE: TV contracts
(08-08-2022 08:44 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Looks like we are going to find out very soon about the BigTen contract. If this comes out to be true and the BigTen signs with Fox, NBC and CBS. That leaves ESPN as the big bidder for the PAC and Big12.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1004...ts-cbs-nbc

Something isn't adding up....Bleacher and ESPN are reporting that B10 finalizing the media deal w/ Fox, NBC and CBS.

I could swear that SMU fans said they are talking w/ B10, but didn't see it in the articles. Did I missed the announcement?
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It almost feels like TV executives have ruined college football.
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RE: TV contracts
(08-09-2022 03:11 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 02:59 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 02:49 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  
(08-09-2022 01:02 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  Honestly might get better access without them having B1G content to show on there.

You may be right depending on what happens with PAC and Big 12. I think for AAC, the best scenario is Fox winning out for Big 12. Whatever happens with PAC doesnt mean much because there is less overlap for time slots due to the time zones. However, others on this board such as JRSec, who seems to have called this entire scenario from a mile away, feels ESPN may go hard for Big 12 to block Fox from the SE and SW, in which case this takes more mouse TV slots.

I could be wrong but I doubt ESPN goes much after Big12, the PAC is what they would want to fill late schedule. But most of those ABC/ ESPN slots are going to go to SEC and leftovers ACC, the PAC will get a few. I think it will be FOX who Big12 ends up with because they need to fill around the BigTen schedule.
The new reality is that the Big Ten/ SEC are going to dominate those ABC, FOX, CBS games. The other leagues are just fillers for their secondary and tertiary networks.
The way I see it
ABC/ ESPN
Noon: SEC and ACC
3:30: SEC/ ACC
7:30: SEC/ ACC, PAC
10:30: PAC
The American could squeeze into those spots but I doubt is only a few times. Most of our games will end up on ESPN on Thursday or Friday and on ESPN2
With the SEC at 16 that’s at least 8 conference games on most weekends and the ACC with 7 more. That’s 15 games a weekend, not counting PAC, American and SunBelt games

This definitely sets the stage for an interesting year in terms of conference alignment. Were ESPN motivated to do so it could incentivize the ACC and PAC to take some Big12 (or vice-versa) properties. It would take financial incentives to do so, but taking the 350 million they were prepared to offer the B1G they have some room to play and they get a lot more content.

Doubt I see ESPN spending extra money to get that done. The fact is that they will have bigger names signed up from SEC,ACC and PAC than anyone from the Big12. That’s why I see FOX really being the Big12 best bet. But if ESPN doesn’t bid on them it will lower the amount they will get.

That doesnt make any sense. They have lost roughly 27 P5 games a year and have NOT ONE Big10 game to show. Thats a lot of lost content. ESPN already has 50% of the Big12 and Pac12. So--ESPN needs to at least hold on to that content or the situation gets even worse. To improve the situation, ESPN basically needs to not only hold court---but it needs to get more content from one or the other. At the very least---ESPN needs to walk away with AT LEAST the tier1 rights to the BOTH the Pac10 and Big12....while that somewhat helps to offset the loss of quality from the Big10 loss (they would get the best of whats left)---its does nothing for the loss of quantity. This is the best outcome for the AAC as some of their content will see some of those better P5 broadcast windows left open by the loss of those Big10 games.

The best outcome for ESPN when it comes to the Big12 and Pac10 is to get it all---which would allow ESPN to control the vast majority of all of the P5 content west of the Mississippi. It also solves their quantity problem. They would have the ACC, SEC, and Big 12 in the eastern time zone. They would have the SEC and Big12 in the central time zone. They would have the Big12 and Pac12 in the Mountain time zone----and ESPN would have the Pac12 in the western time zone. Thats the best case scenario for ESPN to continue to be the primary mother ship for college football despite taking a big hit in losing the Big10.
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No matter what, I know one thing… and I HATE to say it, cause there’s a certain team that gonna benefit from it… but the Big 12 teams are gonna walk away from this even better than we thought no matter how it plays out.
If ESPN gets any part of the Big 10, I don’t see them bidding heavy after the Big 12. They got nothing. This means they are probably gonna take the lions share.

Can you ask for anything more than a bidding war?
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