(09-28-2022 12:21 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:01 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  USC/OSU was a close game over on either ESPN or FS1. Something to look up.

It was on the Pac 12 Network, so no ratings. Stanford-Washington was on FS1 in that slot and drew over 500K viewers:

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

Why does the PAC 12 network still exist? I think the ACC network is dumb enough.

Having a Pac 12 network with 8 feeds is the ultimate in idiocy, though.

(09-28-2022 12:56 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  An FBS breakaway and a P5 breakaway have been discussed ad nauseam on this board. If there is no strategic value to expanding, I have to wonder if Warren is thinking of going it alone. Separate B1G football from the NCAA, expand the season, go to 20-24 teams, and function like a mini NFL.

Commissioners as advised by legal teams, never discuss those kinds of moves until they are made. If Warren made that move, he would not be alone. To discuss it beforehand leaves an opportunity for a collusion claim. To simply do it, or join it, would look spontaneous.

The board generally doesn't jump on things until some talking head repeats it. Until that happens it simply isn't possible and anyone who thinks so is a kook. When it does happen, they all act like they expected it, major deniers make a mea culpa, and start denying the next concept of major change.

The funny part to me is that this pattern has been going on for 30 years and they still don't expect the unexpected, and indeed deny any idea which isn't group think supported.

(09-28-2022 01:10 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:36 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  Pretty wild to see Oregon State & Wazzu join MWC

I see the Big 12 adding the 4 Corner schools along with Washington State and Oregon State.

I doubt it. I think Arizona has been ready to jump ship for a while now and have been waiting on others to come along. If WSU and Oregon State had a standing invite to the BXII they would have already joined Arizona as they are most at risk of being left behind. Also, the BXII rejected overtures for a merger a few months ago.

It seems Colorado and Utah are the most reluctant, as they see the BXII as inferior. Both are hoping for a B10 invite as well but I don't see it happening.

B1G: California, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan St, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio St, Oregon, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Wisconsin
> No divisions

XII (XVI)
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, West Virginia
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Baylor, BYU, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Utah
> May go without divisions but the geographic spreads makes divisions more palatable

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Colorado, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
Pacific: Fresno St, Hawaii, Oregon St, San Diego St, San Jose St, Washington St
West: Air Force, Navy*, New Mexico, Rice, SMU, Tulsa
* Football-only
^ Non-football: Wichita St
> Oregon St and Washington St are the most obvious additions for 14/13 but I could see an opportunity of bringing aboard Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Navy football, and Wichita St for 18/17 plus extend Hawaii a full membership invite for 18/18
> 3 divisions seem the most likely option with top two division winners playing in the CCG

AAC
East: Charlotte, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, South Florida, Temple, UAB
West: Louisiana Tech, Memphis, Middle Tennessee St, North Texas, Tulane, UTSA, Western Kentucky
> With the conference still stretching from Philadelphia to San Antonio, going back to 14 would follow the SBC geography which would be best for scheduling
> Loss of Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Navy football, and Wichita St brings conference down to 10/10

CUSA
> Schools either add from FCS, go independent, or drop to FCS

Remains the same: ACC, MAC, SEC
Gone: maybe CUSA, PAC

(09-28-2022 12:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  Dodd usually trolls the Big 12. He is not "carrying water" for them. You just don't like the reporting, so you mindlessly attack the messenger.

Just FWIW:

Reporters change sides all the time depending on who is available as a source, e.g. Wilzano residing in Kliavkoff's hip pocket after being among his predecessor's biggest critics. Conference realignment sources "in the know" are hard to come by, so reporters will take what they can get from whoever high up is willing to talk. Pointing out Dodd's or Wilzano's likely sources isn't the same as discounting or disagreeing with what they've written.

I happen to think the B1G-Big XII tag team on Desperate George is a terrific strategy that's likely to pay dividends sooner than later.

(09-28-2022 12:56 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  If there is no strategic value to expanding

Just the opposite

(09-28-2022 01:10 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  I see the Big 12 adding the 4 Corner schools along with Washington State and Oregon State.

I would agree with you 1996. Extends the footprint into two fast-growing states with a pair of schools with longtime branding at the P-5 level.

Looking down the road, a mega-Conference #3 that absorbs every ACC and Pac-12 member without a B1G or SEC invite pulls the plug on governors and state legislators creating headaches were they to have P5 schools without a home in a reconfigured equivalent league.

Warren/Delany knows it. Sankey knows it. FOX and ESPN know it.

I'd bet it's much more likely B1G and SEC leadership are working together than apart on realignment matters such as this.

Retired Fox Sports Networks President Bob Thompson provides insight into potential impact of Big Ten adds of Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford:

https://twitter.com/rltsports

(09-28-2022 01:10 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:36 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  Pretty wild to see Oregon State & Wazzu join MWC

I see the Big 12 adding the 4 Corner schools along with Washington State and Oregon State.

If they did also add WSU/OSU it would give the XII better geographic divisions.

6 PAC schools + BYU + TT + Baylor

(09-28-2022 01:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  B1G: California, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan St, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio St, Oregon, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Wisconsin
> No divisions

XII (XVI)
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, West Virginia
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Baylor, BYU, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Utah
> May go without divisions but the geographic spreads makes divisions more palatable

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Colorado, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
Pacific: Fresno St, Hawaii, Oregon St, San Diego St, San Jose St, Washington St
West: Air Force, Navy*, New Mexico, Rice, SMU, Tulsa
* Football-only
^ Non-football: Wichita St
> Oregon St and Washington St are the most obvious additions for 14/13 but I could see an opportunity of bringing aboard Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Navy football, and Wichita St for 18/17 plus extend Hawaii a full membership invite for 18/18
> 3 divisions seem the most likely option with top two division winners playing in the CCG

AAC
East: Charlotte, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, South Florida, Temple, UAB
West: Louisiana Tech, Memphis, Middle Tennessee St, North Texas, Tulane, UTSA, Western Kentucky
> With the conference still stretching from Philadelphia to San Antonio, going back to 14 would follow the SBC geography which would be best for scheduling
> Loss of Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Navy football, and Wichita St brings conference down to 10/10

CUSA
> Schools either add from FCS, go independent, or drop to FCS

Remains the same: ACC, MAC, SEC
Gone: maybe CUSA, PAC

Perhaps something more like this:

Cal, Oregon, Stanford, Washington to the B1G

The Big 12 becomes 16: Pay in the 40-45 million range
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado, Oregon State, San Diego State, Utah, Washington State

Baylor, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

The ACC moves to 16 and adds:
Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, South Florida, West Virginia, Temple

They lose to the SEC: Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida State.

The new ACC: Pay in the 40-45 million range.
Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia

Central Florida, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, South Florida, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Now you have 72 schools in a P4.

SEC & B1G at 20 each. B12 and ACC at 16 each. And the geography of each is more natural.

(09-28-2022 01:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:30 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:21 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  It was on the Pac 12 Network, so no ratings. Stanford-Washington was on FS1 in that slot and drew over 500K viewers:

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

Why does the PAC 12 network still exist? I think the ACC network is dumb enough.

ACC Network makes as much, if not more, than the SEC Network.

As much bad football? It isn't close in money.

What does that have to do with anything. It's size of the markets and available subscribers. ACC Network is in the basic tier for states with an ACC team.

And gets a fraction of the rates the SECN commands. Its not close. You should read up on it.

(09-28-2022 01:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 01:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  B1G: California, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan St, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio St, Oregon, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Wisconsin
> No divisions

XII (XVI)
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, West Virginia
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Baylor, BYU, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Utah
> May go without divisions but the geographic spreads makes divisions more palatable

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Colorado, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
Pacific: Fresno St, Hawaii, Oregon St, San Diego St, San Jose St, Washington St
West: Air Force, Navy*, New Mexico, Rice, SMU, Tulsa
* Football-only
^ Non-football: Wichita St
> Oregon St and Washington St are the most obvious additions for 14/13 but I could see an opportunity of bringing aboard Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Navy football, and Wichita St for 18/17 plus extend Hawaii a full membership invite for 18/18
> 3 divisions seem the most likely option with top two division winners playing in the CCG

AAC
East: Charlotte, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, South Florida, Temple, UAB
West: Louisiana Tech, Memphis, Middle Tennessee St, North Texas, Tulane, UTSA, Western Kentucky
> With the conference still stretching from Philadelphia to San Antonio, going back to 14 would follow the SBC geography which would be best for scheduling
> Loss of Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Navy football, and Wichita St brings conference down to 10/10

CUSA
> Schools either add from FCS, go independent, or drop to FCS

Remains the same: ACC, MAC, SEC
Gone: maybe CUSA, PAC

Perhaps something more like this:

Cal, Oregon, Stanford, Washington to the B1G

The Big 12 becomes 16: Pay in the 40-45 million range
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado, Oregon State, San Diego State, Utah, Washington State

Baylor, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

The ACC moves to 16 and adds:
Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, South Florida, West Virginia, Temple

They lose to the SEC: Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida State.

The new ACC: Pay in the 40-45 million range.
Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia

Central Florida, Clemson, Georgia, Miami, N.C. State, South Florida, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Now you have 72 schools in a P4.

SEC & B1G at 20 each. B12 and ACC at 16 each. And the geography of each is more natural.

That would make a lot of sense geographically, but would need an outside hand that could force everyone to go that route and avoid contracts, buyouts, fees/penalties, GOR's, etc.

(09-28-2022 01:25 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  Dodd usually trolls the Big 12. He is not "carrying water" for them. You just don't like the reporting, so you mindlessly attack the messenger.

Just FWIW:

Reporters change sides all the time depending on who is available as a source, e.g. Wilzano residing in Kliavkoff's hip pocket after being among his predecessor's biggest critics. Conference realignment sources "in the know" are hard to come by, so reporters will take what they can get from whoever high up is willing to talk. Pointing out Dodd's or Wilzano's likely sources isn't the same as discounting or disagreeing with what they've written.

I happen to think the B1G-Big XII tag team on Desperate George is a terrific strategy that's likely to pay dividends sooner than later.

Wilner has always been a Pac 12 homer. Very knowledgeable about them, but definitely a homer. Not necessarily a fan of the previous commissioner, though.

(09-28-2022 01:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 01:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:30 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:21 PM)Poster Wrote:  Why does the PAC 12 network still exist? I think the ACC network is dumb enough.

ACC Network makes as much, if not more, than the SEC Network.

As much bad football? It isn't close in money.

What does that have to do with anything. It's size of the markets and available subscribers. ACC Network is in the basic tier for states with an ACC team.

And gets a fraction of the rates the SECN commands. Its not close. You should read up on it.

LOL. Show me the facts that support that assumption.

(09-28-2022 01:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 01:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:30 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 12:21 PM)Poster Wrote:  Why does the PAC 12 network still exist? I think the ACC network is dumb enough.

ACC Network makes as much, if not more, than the SEC Network.

As much bad football? It isn't close in money.

What does that have to do with anything. It's size of the markets and available subscribers. ACC Network is in the basic tier for states with an ACC team.

And gets a fraction of the rates the SECN commands. Its not close. You should read up on it.

SECN gets $1.25 in footprint; ACCN gets $1.00 in footprint; that's 80% (technically that IS a fraction, but...)
(Excuse me: some reports indicate that SECN is now $1.30 in footprint)

Maybe YOU should do a little research, eh?

"A different industry critic stressed there is no strategic reason for the Big Ten to expand further. In fact, that person thought expansion might invite lawsuits from slighted programs and possible scrutiny from the federal government."

Good to know that Dodds interviewed George Kliavkoff to be his "industry critic".

The Big Ten will finish off the PAC. It's only a matter of time.

(09-28-2022 02:04 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The Big Ten will finish off the PAC. It's only a matter of time.

The Big Ten in conjunction with the Big XII will finish off the PAC. It's only a matter of time.

"Everybody needs a place to go"

(09-28-2022 01:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  B1G: California, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan St, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio St, Oregon, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Wisconsin
> No divisions

XII (XVI)
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, West Virginia
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Baylor, BYU, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Utah
> May go without divisions but the geographic spreads makes divisions more palatable

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Colorado, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
Pacific: Fresno St, Hawaii, Oregon St, San Diego St, San Jose St, Washington St
West: Air Force, Navy*, New Mexico, Rice, SMU, Tulsa
* Football-only
^ Non-football: Wichita St
> Oregon St and Washington St are the most obvious additions for 14/13 but I could see an opportunity of bringing aboard Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Navy football, and Wichita St for 18/17 plus extend Hawaii a full membership invite for 18/18
> 3 divisions seem the most likely option with top two division winners playing in the CCG

AAC
East: Charlotte, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, South Florida, Temple, UAB
West: Louisiana Tech, Memphis, Middle Tennessee St, North Texas, Tulane, UTSA, Western Kentucky
> With the conference still stretching from Philadelphia to San Antonio, going back to 14 would follow the SBC geography which would be best for scheduling
> Loss of Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Navy football, and Wichita St brings conference down to 10/10

CUSA
> Schools either add from FCS, go independent, or drop to FCS

Remains the same: ACC, MAC, SEC
Gone: maybe CUSA, PAC

If it happens like that Tulane will not be in AAC… we will be in ACC or Big 12… to bridge west or east

(09-28-2022 01:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 01:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  B1G: California, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan St, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio St, Oregon, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Wisconsin
> No divisions

XII (XVI)
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, West Virginia
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Baylor, BYU, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Utah
> May go without divisions but the geographic spreads makes divisions more palatable

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Colorado, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
Pacific: Fresno St, Hawaii, Oregon St, San Diego St, San Jose St, Washington St
West: Air Force, Navy*, New Mexico, Rice, SMU, Tulsa
* Football-only
^ Non-football: Wichita St
> Oregon St and Washington St are the most obvious additions for 14/13 but I could see an opportunity of bringing aboard Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Navy football, and Wichita St for 18/17 plus extend Hawaii a full membership invite for 18/18
> 3 divisions seem the most likely option with top two division winners playing in the CCG

AAC
East: Charlotte, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, South Florida, Temple, UAB
West: Louisiana Tech, Memphis, Middle Tennessee St, North Texas, Tulane, UTSA, Western Kentucky
> With the conference still stretching from Philadelphia to San Antonio, going back to 14 would follow the SBC geography which would be best for scheduling
> Loss of Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Navy football, and Wichita St brings conference down to 10/10

CUSA
> Schools either add from FCS, go independent, or drop to FCS

Remains the same: ACC, MAC, SEC
Gone: maybe CUSA, PAC

Perhaps something more like this:

Cal, Oregon, Stanford, Washington to the B1G

The Big 12 becomes 16: Pay in the 40-45 million range
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado, Oregon State, San Diego State, Utah, Washington State

Baylor, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

The ACC moves to 16 and adds:
Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, South Florida, West Virginia, Temple

They lose to the SEC: Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida State.

The new ACC: Pay in the 40-45 million range.
Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia

Central Florida, Clemson, Georgia, Miami, N.C. State, South Florida, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Now you have 72 schools in a P4.

SEC & B1G at 20 each. B12 and ACC at 16 each. And the geography of each is more natural.

I like that option. I suppose Notre Dame would still be out there for the B1G if the money was right. I'm not sure if Connecticut is a good option for the ACC anymore. Do they hold any weight on the gridiron? I'd be more apt to add Memphis if that's the case.

Yormark stressed the need to be in all 4 TZs.

There is a good shot UL, Pitt, and VaTech/Miami jump to a Big 20 in 36' once the ACC is poached. Cuse would also be considered because of BBall as would WF.

It would be prudent for the ACC to preemptively add so long as FSU/UNC allows teams like UC/WVU/UCF to come in. That's in the best interest of the non-legacy members for sure.