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This is part of the problem. Liberty justifies it by claiming we see it every where. Or that they apologized so they should be forgiven. Dude, yall hired an AD that covered up sexual assaults because it might affect the football teams record. Your HC was suspended for a year for recruiting violations that are more severe than any current head coach in college football. Your QB was such a problem at Tennessee that he was suspended for spring practice before even joining the team.

You can't possibly see why fans of other schools do not like Liberty and want to blame it on Liberty having more "resources?" What fans want to be in a conference with an Institution that supports covering up sexual assaults and head coaches cheating?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education...l-assault/

And Hugh Freeze is sending the accuser DMs on Twitter

Well this thread is no longer relevant


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(10-03-2022 07:17 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 07:02 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 06:24 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 05:26 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 04:35 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  The stuff that I posted is common knowledge that has been widely reported. No need to dig up.

There are 120 football players on a team, it would be unreasonable to believe that each of them have been in trouble with the law and/or been kicked out of their previous school.

Liberty doesn't need to be held to any different standards, although they hold their students to different standards while the leader (and wife) are drinking and hooking up with the pool boy. (there is an interesting podcast explaining all this, btw). They have a lot of money through their online program and use it to build winning athletic programs and hiring ADs and head coaches with troubled pasts. Is that not true?

The leader and his wife you speak of are gone. Is and was Jerry Jr. a scumbag? Absolutely, you’ll not get any argument from me or most if not all Liberty alumni. Most wanted him gone long before he was axed. Has Liberty made a ton of money from online learning? Absolutely, but are we the only school that offers online classes. Do we have a corner on the market for online learning? Can ODU and other schools offer online classes? You probably already do. How common has online learning become since Covid? Liberty was just ahead of the game. Would you be upset if ODU had made a bunch of money off online classes and spent some of that money to improve the athletic programs? So since Liberty has made money off of their online programs and then they dared to invest in their athletic programs, that’s a problem. Ok things are becoming clearer to me now.

Im not sure how you missed the entire point of the post.

Im not a fan of schools giving diplomas out like candy but it is what it is. And we won't have a level playing field bc you are private and racking in money through online programs. Those are real issues but that is not what the post was about. It was about using that money to hire A) an AD that covered up sexual assaults and B) a coach that is a known cheat, who also happens to have made 20k calls to escorts while married....and hired by a Private, Christian Institution that preaches morality....

You don't think its a bit hypocritical that a school that punishes kids for drinking or smoking/etc (The Liberty Way) also hires an AD that covers up sexual abuse or a cheating (both in recruiting and on his wife) scumbag head coach? Or continues to support the head coach while he DMs journalists and sexual assault accusers?

I haven't even touched on the religious aspect of this bc its probably not appropriate for the board.

FWIW, I do think Hugh will be done to some desperate P5 with an AD with his job on the line so it will be interesting if they still dig up the coaching tree for troubled head coaches.

I think it would be hypocritical for a Christian school to accuse and pronounce guilty a man who was never actually changed with anything. I think it would be hypocritical for a Christian school to refuse to offer forgiveness to a man who has publicly confessed his wrongdoing and asked for forgiveness. I think it would be hypocritical for a Christian school to not offer someone the opportunity for a second chance.

When did the AD confess to covering up sexual assaults? He blamed others.

When did Freeze confess to cheating (football)? He blamed his assistants. And was suspended for a year.

When did Freeze confess to cheating (on wife)? After lying saying the escort was the wrong number.

I guess if you want to sell yourself to the devil and get in bed with scumbags, then then "You have to offer forgiveness," helps justify it?

No one forced Liberty to hire either of them.

You slander people left and right without much info on the situation. McCaw was never fired and actually was a whistle blower to the cover up from the board of Regents at Baylor and how the football team was being used as a scapegoat to cover a systemic issue at Baylor. He was dropped from any law suits and the only allegation made against him was he knew about a rape that wasn’t reported, which he states he absolutely did not know about and there’s no proof he knew about it.

https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Former...11731.html

Freeze is a little different. Freeze admits his failings and talks openly about the mistakes he’s made. A year before he was named coach, him and his wife spoke at Liberty. What many don’t know is before he was caught he had already confessed his “sins” to his wife and to his pastor. So when it came to light his wife was aware and they had already been working through it. That doesn’t make what he did ok, but I’m one to give grace and forgiveness, the same forgiveness I’ve received from God for my shortcomings. This is the Liberty service where the Freezes spoke. This was a year before being named coach.

https://youtu.be/T4zq1KO7qII

This is all I’ll post about this topic, but I would encourage all of us to be a little kinder, a little more forgiving and think the best of people instead of the worst.

(10-04-2022 11:05 AM)Cinciflame Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 07:17 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 07:02 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 06:24 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 05:26 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  The leader and his wife you speak of are gone. Is and was Jerry Jr. a scumbag? Absolutely, you’ll not get any argument from me or most if not all Liberty alumni. Most wanted him gone long before he was axed. Has Liberty made a ton of money from online learning? Absolutely, but are we the only school that offers online classes. Do we have a corner on the market for online learning? Can ODU and other schools offer online classes? You probably already do. How common has online learning become since Covid? Liberty was just ahead of the game. Would you be upset if ODU had made a bunch of money off online classes and spent some of that money to improve the athletic programs? So since Liberty has made money off of their online programs and then they dared to invest in their athletic programs, that’s a problem. Ok things are becoming clearer to me now.

Im not sure how you missed the entire point of the post.

Im not a fan of schools giving diplomas out like candy but it is what it is. And we won't have a level playing field bc you are private and racking in money through online programs. Those are real issues but that is not what the post was about. It was about using that money to hire A) an AD that covered up sexual assaults and B) a coach that is a known cheat, who also happens to have made 20k calls to escorts while married....and hired by a Private, Christian Institution that preaches morality....

You don't think its a bit hypocritical that a school that punishes kids for drinking or smoking/etc (The Liberty Way) also hires an AD that covers up sexual abuse or a cheating (both in recruiting and on his wife) scumbag head coach? Or continues to support the head coach while he DMs journalists and sexual assault accusers?

I haven't even touched on the religious aspect of this bc its probably not appropriate for the board.

FWIW, I do think Hugh will be done to some desperate P5 with an AD with his job on the line so it will be interesting if they still dig up the coaching tree for troubled head coaches.

I think it would be hypocritical for a Christian school to accuse and pronounce guilty a man who was never actually changed with anything. I think it would be hypocritical for a Christian school to refuse to offer forgiveness to a man who has publicly confessed his wrongdoing and asked for forgiveness. I think it would be hypocritical for a Christian school to not offer someone the opportunity for a second chance.

When did the AD confess to covering up sexual assaults? He blamed others.

When did Freeze confess to cheating (football)? He blamed his assistants. And was suspended for a year.

When did Freeze confess to cheating (on wife)? After lying saying the escort was the wrong number.

I guess if you want to sell yourself to the devil and get in bed with scumbags, then then "You have to offer forgiveness," helps justify it?

No one forced Liberty to hire either of them.

You slander people left and right without much info on the situation. McCaw was never fired and actually was a whistle blower to the cover up from the board of Regents at Baylor and how the football team was being used as a scapegoat to cover a systemic issue at Baylor. He was dropped from any law suits and the only allegation made against him was he knew about a rape that wasn’t reported, which he states he absolutely did not know about and there’s no proof he knew about it.

https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Former...11731.html

Freeze is a little different. Freeze admits his failings and talks openly about the mistakes he’s made. A year before he was named coach, him and his wife spoke at Liberty. What many don’t know is before he was caught he had already confessed his “sins” to his wife and to his pastor. So when it came to light his wife was aware and they had already been working through it. That doesn’t make what he did ok, but I’m one to give grace and forgiveness, the same forgiveness I’ve received from God for my shortcomings. This is the Liberty service where the Freezes spoke. This was a year before being named coach.

https://youtu.be/T4zq1KO7qII

This is all I’ll post about this topic, but I would encourage all of us to be a little kinder, a little more forgiving and think the best of people instead of the worst.

"As long as he wins, we need to be forgiving and kind"

My beef with being in a Conference with Liberty would be their ability to outspend us. There program seems "store bought & new money". I'm not sure I'd be proud of that...

We have more common ground with our Sunbelt Peers.

(10-03-2022 06:12 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 05:26 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 04:35 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 04:09 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 03:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I never said every player they recruited is. And I wasn't talking about people that got into trouble after going to Liberty but before they went to Liberty. I've also never said other schools are perfect but Liberty has a long track record that starts at the top (well did before Falwell left). Their current QB had 2 run ins with the law and got kicked out of school within 6 months.

-Ian McCaw- Current AD that was hired after leaving Baylor due to mishandling sexual assault claims. Refused to report sexual assault allegations.

-Hugh Freeze- suspended 1 year for recruiting violations. Ole Miss had to vacate 27 wins. Stepped down because he was using the University phone to call escorts. Freeze is known to send DMs to journalists, etc., but the latest is that he has been sending DMs to an alleged rape victim that is suing Liberty in an effort to defend the AD (that previously hid sexual assaults). No coach in America has had the same level of recruiting violations as him.

I do have a problem with any University bringing on these dudes, but its even worse when its a Private Christian University that has strict rules for its students.

And I also have very good friends from Liberty. Some of them are ashamed of the greed of Liberty.

No you don’t. With all the dirt that you’ve taken the time to dig up, you’re obviously obsessed with Liberty. To have friends who will sit and allow you to lecture them on how awful their school is and how they are to be held to a different standard than yourself are truly very good friends. And yes you did insinuate that every player Liberty went after was a trouble maker. Your hatred for Liberty doesn’t excuse your broad brush accusations.

The stuff that I posted is common knowledge that has been widely reported. No need to dig up.

There are 120 football players on a team, it would be unreasonable to believe that each of them have been in trouble with the law and/or been kicked out of their previous school.

Liberty doesn't need to be held to any different standards, although they hold their students to different standards while the leader (and wife) are drinking and hooking up with the pool boy. (there is an interesting podcast explaining all this, btw). They have a lot of money through their online program and use it to build winning athletic programs and hiring ADs and head coaches with troubled pasts. Is that not true?

The leader and his wife you speak of are gone. Is and was Jerry Jr. a scumbag? Absolutely, you’ll not get any argument from me or most if not all Liberty alumni. Most wanted him gone long before he was axed. Has Liberty made a ton of money from online learning? Absolutely, but are we the only school that offers online classes. Do we have a corner on the market for online learning? Can ODU and other schools offer online classes? You probably already do. How common has online learning become since Covid? Liberty was just ahead of the game. Would you be upset if ODU had made a bunch of money off online classes and spent some of that money to improve the athletic programs? So since Liberty has made money off of their online programs and then they dared to invest in their athletic programs, that’s a problem. Ok things are becoming clearer to me now.

You just described one of the biggest issues many have with Liberty. Public Institutions in Va cannot use tuition money to fund sports. Liberty, as a private institution can and does, much to it's advantage.

But Liberty can't recruit every player. Because of their Christianity and strict honor codes, many recruits wouldn't even give Liberty the time of day. So while money may be an advantage, you are forgetting about this disadvantage. Furthermore, many private schools with tons of money (Rice, Syracause, Vanderbilt) never win, so that partially kills the point.

(10-03-2022 08:40 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  This is part of the problem. Liberty justifies it by claiming we see it every where. Or that they apologized so they should be forgiven. Dude, yall hired an AD that covered up sexual assaults because it might affect the football teams record. Your HC was suspended for a year for recruiting violations that are more severe than any current head coach in college football. Your QB was such a problem at Tennessee that he was suspended for spring practice before even joining the team.

You can't possibly see why fans of other schools do not like Liberty and want to blame it on Liberty having more "resources?" What fans want to be in a conference with an Institution that supports covering up sexual assaults and head coaches cheating?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education...l-assault/

And Hugh Freeze is sending the accuser DMs on Twitter

This part I believe to be flat out not true. It is all speculation. The scandal at Baylor was one of the regents and campus police and went on far before McCaw was there. McCaw stepped down because the regents decided to come up with a plan to blame the whole assault problem on African American football players, which wasn't the case.

Also, Freeze was not suspended for recruiting violations himself, he was suspended for several people on his staff who broke recruiting rules, and for Freeze not keeping control over those people. His suspension was only one year. Yes, he sinned personally against his wife. But before Freeze was hired, he came to Liberty with his wife and talked about his mistakes and pride. The job wasn't even available then, so there was no intent on Liberty's part. It wasn't until later that Turner Gill's wife got suddenly sick and he had to quit abruptly. That is when LU decided to call Freeze.

(10-05-2022 12:05 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  My beef with being in a Conference with Liberty would be their ability to outspend us. There program seems "store bought & new money". I'm not sure I'd be proud of that...

We have more common ground with our Sunbelt Peers.

Rice, Vanderbilt, and Syracuse have tons of money. What winning has it gotten them? Furthermore, Liberty can't recruit ever player because of their honor code, like JMU, App. State, or ODU can.

(10-05-2022 10:17 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:05 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  My beef with being in a Conference with Liberty would be their ability to outspend us. There program seems "store bought & new money". I'm not sure I'd be proud of that...

We have more common ground with our Sunbelt Peers.

Rice, Vanderbilt, and Syracuse have tons of money. What winning has it gotten them? Furthermore, Liberty can't recruit ever player because of their honor code, like JMU, App. State, or ODU can.

You referring to the honor code that Kaidon Salter met or another one? I'm confused...

Yeah, that honor code really prevents players from going to Liberty....

Its a shame that all the Rick Stansbury of college football has to do is apologize and waaaaaallllaaaaaaaa...all is forgiven.

How many current college football coaches have been suspended for a year?