(11-20-2022 09:26 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  P, nobody on the planet earth defends a defense that gives up 70+ points in a game. Except maybe Dana Holgorsen. lol

Just shut up.

Holg's is a dead man walking now that Fertitta bought your way into the B12. You don't need that greaseball combover anymore.

Your defense sucks. "Dana is proud of Houston's defense". Yeah, I'm sure he is.

bro why are you jumping into a conversation you have no clue what we are talking about to trash talk

it is obvious te defense was horrendous in the smu game... thats the point..

we are talking about the Texas tech/Tulane game NOT SMU...
texa tech (a top 40 offense) only scored 20 pts in regulation vs Houston ... houston only scored 13pt on offense in regulation that game (texas tech is a terrible defense).. they are saying houston defense was issue that game (and the 13 offensive pts was enough).. they are saying that because houston didnt stop them on the very last drive of the game

im noting thats a weak point.. imagine blaming the smu loss on the offense... because tune threw a pick to end the game killing our chances (id be crazy to say that), thats the point i was mocking. before you jumped in trash talking

but again what the hell are you even in this convo for trash talking, not even having a clue what we are talking about

(11-20-2022 09:35 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:26 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  P, nobody on the planet earth defends a defense that gives up 70+ points in a game. Except maybe Dana Holgorsen. lol

Just shut up.

Holg's is a dead man walking now that Fertitta bought your way into the B12. You don't need that greaseball combover anymore.

Your defense sucks. "Dana is proud of Houston's defense". Yeah, I'm sure he is.

bro why are you jumping into a conversation you have no clue what we are talking about to trash talk

it is obvious te defense was horrendous in the smu game... thats the point..

we are talking about the Texas tech/Tulane game...
texa tech (a top 40 offense) scored 20 pts in regulation vs hosuton... houston only scored 13pt on offense in regulation that game (texas tech is a terrible defense).. they are saying houston defense was issue that game (and the 13 pts was enough).. they are saying that becuase houston didnt stop them on the very last drive of the game

im noting thats a weak point.. imagine blaming the smu loss on the offense... because tune threw a pick to end the game killing our chances, thats the point i was mocking. before you jumped in trash talking

but again what the hell are you even in this convo for trash talking, not even having a clue what we are talking about

Did you not say Holgerson said the D wasn't the problem? Did you not say your offense is a problem. They scored 60+ points against SMU.

(11-20-2022 09:40 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Did you not say Holgerson said the D wasn't the problem? Did you not say your offense is a problem. They scored 60+ points against SMU.

yes in the post game after Texas tech (months ago), not a recent interview after smu

we are talking about the texas tech game

(11-20-2022 09:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:40 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Did you not say Holgerson said the D wasn't the problem? Did you not say your offense is a problem. They scored 60+ points against SMU.

yes in the post game after Texas tech (months ago), not a recent interview after smu

we are talking about the texas tech game

Holgerson (sp?) is the problem. You guys brag about firing coaches for going 8-4, yet you defend this stiff.

On to the basketball game.

(11-20-2022 09:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:40 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Did you not say Holgerson said the D wasn't the problem? Did you not say your offense is a problem. They scored 60+ points against SMU.

yes in the post game after Texas tech (months ago), not a recent interview after smu

we are talking about the texas tech game

Holgerson (sp?) is the problem. You guys brag about firing coaches for going 8-4, yet you defend this stiff.

again what does that have to do with this convo... again why are you jumping into a convo to trash talk, that you arent even sure what we are talking about

this convo wasnt defending dana, or attacking him

their point: the offense has been great all season... and the defense was alwasy the issue

my point: thats revisionist history.. our defense started decent and got horrible... the offense started bad but got better when we started to pass the ball more

if anything they are the ones defending dana (who runs the offense) and saying when we get a new dc everything will be great with dana

(11-20-2022 09:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:40 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Did you not say Holgerson said the D wasn't the problem? Did you not say your offense is a problem. They scored 60+ points against SMU.

yes in the post game after Texas tech (months ago), not a recent interview after smu

we are talking about the texas tech game

Holgerson (sp?) is the problem. You guys brag about firing coaches for going 8-4, yet you defend this stiff.

again what does that have to do with this convo... again why are you jumping into a convo to trash talk, that you arent even sure what we are talking about

this convo wasnt defending dana, or attacking him

their point: the offense has been great all season... and the defense was alwasy the issue

my point: thats revisionist history.. our defense started decent and got horrible... the offense started bad but got better when we started to pass the ball more

if anything they are the ones defending dana (who runs the offense) and saying when we get a new dc everything will be great with dana

Haha! No, that might be your takeaway, but that's not the point I made. Let me clear it up for you.

The offense was adequate even during the period of time we were trying to run too much. No, the offense wasn't what we saw last year or even what we've seen in the the last few games, but for some reason you seem to have forgotten the effect the penalties and turnovers had on the offense as well as the defense.

Your argument is that the offense was horrible in that part of the season, but correct me if I'm wrong here... did UH not lead with ~1 minute on the clock in both the TTech and Tulane games? If you don't respond with "why yes, yes we did", then i'm not listening to you anymore! haha!

How can you call the offense bad and defense good if we have a lead with less than a minute to go and we couldn't stop the other team from tying the game with 1 minute on the clock, and they forced OT? Here's another hint, they did it via the pass, exploiting our huge-iest weakness!

Furthermore, as the season went on, the offense got better and better especially once they let Tune start slinging the ball around more. The defense? We've been good against the run all season, but the DBs couldn't cover a Mickey Mouse song all year, and teams that figured that out (SMU and Temple) exploited that! Thank goodness Navy pretty much only runs the ball! The ECU game is the first game I've seen the defense actually play great pass D.

So YES, our offense was good enough where we could have shed a couple losses off our record had the defense done its job, and YES both the offense and the defense (finally) improved as the season goes on.

If you want to look at the season as a dismal failure because they didn't live up to your pre-season expectations, that's your prerogative.

But if you adjusted your expectations based upon what was being put on the field, it's clear the team didn't deserve the pre-season hype, and it was what it was, then its clear the team DID improve as the season progressed, and YES that is something to be excited about going into next year.

In fact, I'm inclined to think maybe it just bugs you that CDH brought improvement to the team! Well sorry, I don't share your pessimism no matter how much you think you're entitled to feel that way.

As for one particular Memphis fan, lol scoreboard! and hasta la vista baby!

(11-21-2022 01:39 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:40 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Did you not say Holgerson said the D wasn't the problem? Did you not say your offense is a problem. They scored 60+ points against SMU.

yes in the post game after Texas tech (months ago), not a recent interview after smu

we are talking about the texas tech game

Holgerson (sp?) is the problem. You guys brag about firing coaches for going 8-4, yet you defend this stiff.

again what does that have to do with this convo... again why are you jumping into a convo to trash talk, that you arent even sure what we are talking about

this convo wasnt defending dana, or attacking him

their point: the offense has been great all season... and the defense was alwasy the issue

my point: thats revisionist history.. our defense started decent and got horrible... the offense started bad but got better when we started to pass the ball more

if anything they are the ones defending dana (who runs the offense) and saying when we get a new dc everything will be great with dana

Haha! No, that might be your takeaway, but that's not the point I made. Let me clear it up for you.

The offense was adequate even during the period of time we were trying to run too much. No, the offense wasn't what we saw last year or even what we've seen in the the last few games, but for some reason you seem to have forgotten the effect the penalties and turnovers had on the offense as well as the defense.

Your argument is that the offense was horrible in that part of the season, but correct me if I'm wrong here... did UH not lead with ~1 minute on the clock in both the TTech and Tulane games? If you don't respond with "why yes, yes we did", then i'm not listening to you anymore! haha!

How can you call the offense bad and defense good if we have a lead with less than a minute to go and we couldn't stop the other team from tying the game with 1 minute on the clock, and they forced OT? Here's another hint, they did it via the pass, exploiting our huge-iest weakness!

Furthermore, as the season went on, the offense got better and better especially once they let Tune start slinging the ball around more. The defense? We've been good against the run all season, but the DBs couldn't cover a Mickey Mouse song all year, and teams that figured that out (SMU and Temple) exploited that! Thank goodness Navy pretty much only runs the ball! The ECU game is the first game I've seen the defense actually play great pass D.

So YES, our offense was good enough where we could have shed a couple losses off our record had the defense done its job, and YES both the offense and the defense (finally) improved as the season goes on.

If you want to look at the season as a dismal failure because they didn't live up to your pre-season expectations, that's your prerogative.

But if you adjusted your expectations based upon what was being put on the field, it's clear the team didn't deserve the pre-season hype, and it was what it was, then its clear the team DID improve as the season progressed, and YES that is something to be excited about going into next year.

I don't share your pessimism no matter how much you think you're entitled to feel that way.

As for one particular Memphis fan, lol scoreboard! and hasta la vista baby!

to address a few points.. the same point i was making before random memphis fan jumped in

do you blame tune for the smu loss... in the post game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hij4AIl3boA
dana says if tune hadnt thrown an int to end the game houston would have had a chance to win..an INT in the redzone

do you define the entire game just by that drive????

this is my point... do you define a 60 minute game by only the last drive??? be fair to our players.. be fair to the hard work they put in those early games

--13pts in regulation, 7 defensives points scored for us...doing all this despite the fact the offense gave up some turnovers to a top 40 texas tech offense

-- allowing only 14pts in regulation vs tulane ... tulane that is ranked top 25...tune has a fumble 6, and our defense forced a fumble on them in their 25yd line that lead to an easy td for us...

you think im being a pessimist ... no, im not im just asking to be fair to our players and give them a fair assessment ... tune played great vs smu, that loss wasnt on him.. the offense didnt play good enough in the texas tech and tulane game

(11-21-2022 01:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-21-2022 01:39 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 09:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  yes in the post game after Texas tech (months ago), not a recent interview after smu

we are talking about the texas tech game

Holgerson (sp?) is the problem. You guys brag about firing coaches for going 8-4, yet you defend this stiff.

again what does that have to do with this convo... again why are you jumping into a convo to trash talk, that you arent even sure what we are talking about

this convo wasnt defending dana, or attacking him

their point: the offense has been great all season... and the defense was alwasy the issue

my point: thats revisionist history.. our defense started decent and got horrible... the offense started bad but got better when we started to pass the ball more

if anything they are the ones defending dana (who runs the offense) and saying when we get a new dc everything will be great with dana

Haha! No, that might be your takeaway, but that's not the point I made. Let me clear it up for you.

The offense was adequate even during the period of time we were trying to run too much. No, the offense wasn't what we saw last year or even what we've seen in the the last few games, but for some reason you seem to have forgotten the effect the penalties and turnovers had on the offense as well as the defense.

Your argument is that the offense was horrible in that part of the season, but correct me if I'm wrong here... did UH not lead with ~1 minute on the clock in both the TTech and Tulane games? If you don't respond with "why yes, yes we did", then i'm not listening to you anymore! haha!

How can you call the offense bad and defense good if we have a lead with less than a minute to go and we couldn't stop the other team from tying the game with 1 minute on the clock, and they forced OT? Here's another hint, they did it via the pass, exploiting our huge-iest weakness!

Furthermore, as the season went on, the offense got better and better especially once they let Tune start slinging the ball around more. The defense? We've been good against the run all season, but the DBs couldn't cover a Mickey Mouse song all year, and teams that figured that out (SMU and Temple) exploited that! Thank goodness Navy pretty much only runs the ball! The ECU game is the first game I've seen the defense actually play great pass D.

So YES, our offense was good enough where we could have shed a couple losses off our record had the defense done its job, and YES both the offense and the defense (finally) improved as the season goes on.

If you want to look at the season as a dismal failure because they didn't live up to your pre-season expectations, that's your prerogative.

But if you adjusted your expectations based upon what was being put on the field, it's clear the team didn't deserve the pre-season hype, and it was what it was, then its clear the team DID improve as the season progressed, and YES that is something to be excited about going into next year.

I don't share your pessimism no matter how much you think you're entitled to feel that way.

As for one particular Memphis fan, lol scoreboard! and hasta la vista baby!

to address a few points.. the same point i was making before random memphis fan jumped in

do you blame tune for the smu loss... in the post game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hij4AIl3boA
dana says if tune hadnt thrown an int to end the game houston would have had a chance to win..an INT in the redzone

do you define the entire game just by that drive????

this is my point... do you define a 60 minute game by only the last drive??? be fair to our players.. be fair to the hard work they put in those early games

--13pts in regulation, 7 defensives points scored for us...doing all this despite the fact the offense gave up some turnovers to a top 40 texas tech offense

-- allowing only 14pts in regulation vs tulane ... tulane that is ranked top 25...tune has a fumble 6, and our defense forced a fumble on them in their 25yd line that lead to an easy td for us...

you think im being a pessimist ... no, im not im just asking to be fair to our players and give them a fair assessment ... tune played great vs smu, that loss wasnt on him.. the offense didnt play good enough in the texas tech and tulane game

Yes, you would be right if we were talking about a one-time blown lead, but it happened in four of our first five games where we could not secure a lead at the end of the game (Kansas basically kicked our ass up and down the field). UTSA, TTech, Tulane, and even Rice had a shot last minute, we had the leads in the waning minutes of the game but the passing D just could not stop the other team from driving into tie-scoring position. UTSA took 23 seconds to drive for the tying FG. TTech took 33 seconds to drive into FG position for the tie (fourth and 20!!). Tulane took more time, but they drove all the way for the tying TD!

If you have a lead near the end of a game, the offense did its job! If your argument is our defense wasn't good, and the offense needs to make it a 2 or 3 score difference, that's one thing, but you're claiming the defense was actually good, so how did we give up each of those leads?

That wasn't just "one play", that was several plays, all of the same type - specifically the 2-minute drill pass defense where we gave up HUGE chunks in just several plays. It was infuriating to watch, I'm sure you remember it.

So no, I'm not pinning those losses on just "one play".

(11-20-2022 01:36 AM)Agust Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 12:05 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Man you know this went sideways for ECU when this thread devolved into Coach P arguing with other Houston fans about what happened in previous games.

Pesik is the well ACKCHYUALLY meme

Any chance you guys can leave him behind on this board next year?

(11-21-2022 03:20 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 01:36 AM)Agust Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 12:05 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Man you know this went sideways for ECU when this thread devolved into Coach P arguing with other Houston fans about what happened in previous games.

Pesik is the well ACKCHYUALLY meme

Any chance you guys can leave him behind on this board next year?

any chance we leave uc fans here... who devolved every thread to a trash talking thread

(11-20-2022 09:26 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  P, nobody on the planet earth defends a defense that gives up 70+ points in a game. Except maybe Dana Holgorsen. lol

Just shut up.

Holg's is a dead man walking now that Fertitta bought your way into the B12. You don't need that greaseball combover anymore.

Your defense sucks. "Dana is proud of Houston's defense". Yeah, I'm sure he is.

If it's true that Fertitta bought our way into the Big12, then it shows how the Big 12 values your program. It's not the flex you think it is

(11-20-2022 11:44 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 11:39 AM)CoogPaw Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 11:37 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 10:52 AM)CoogPaw Wrote:  Nope, it was the UH defense that had issues. The offense, with the exception of maybe the Tulane game, always scored enough points to win. And the defense playing good enough for 90% of the game doesn't matter if they give it up in the last 10%.

we score 13 total offensive points in regulation vs texas tech in 13 drives... the offense and defense had the same total amount of touchdown (we had a pick 6)

texas tech has one of the worst defenses in the nation, one of top offenses in the nation

but you guy think only scoring 13pts wasn't an issue ... this is just wrong

Yeah, we disagree. It was the defense. So glad to finally hear of a performance that didn't allow a TD.

dana himself said he was proud of the defense beyond the last drive in regulation... our coach, the game announcers and our players have all said the same thing... they were good, got horrible and trying to get back to good

1td and 2 field goals in regulation vs tech.. from a team that allows 4-5 tds a game on average isnt enough... it is disingenuous to pretend it is ... im with you guys that the defense was historically horrible in the smu game, terrible in the temple game... but why are you guys trying to so hard to give the offense a pass???

LOL...........continue in my disagreement with you. UH offense has been very good overall. Enough to win games. Defense just didn't come through in games lost.

(11-21-2022 03:20 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 01:36 AM)Agust Wrote:  

(11-20-2022 12:05 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Man you know this went sideways for ECU when this thread devolved into Coach P arguing with other Houston fans about what happened in previous games.

Pesik is the well ACKCHYUALLY meme

Any chance you guys can leave him behind on this board next year?

as long as you got room for his neck beard.

(11-21-2022 03:13 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  Yes, you would be right if we were talking about a one-time blown lead, but it happened in four of our first five games where we could not secure a lead at the end of the game (Kansas basically kicked our ass up and down the field). UTSA, TTech, Tulane, and even Rice had a shot last minute, we had the leads in the waning minutes of the game but the passing D just could not stop the other team from driving into tie-scoring position. UTSA took 23 seconds to drive for the tying FG. TTech took 33 seconds to drive into FG position for the tie (fourth and 20!!). Tulane took more time, but they drove all the way for the tying TD!

If you have a lead near the end of a game, the offense did its job! If your argument is our defense wasn't good, and the offense needs to make it a 2 or 3 score difference, that's one thing, but you're claiming the defense was actually good, so how did we give up each of those leads?

That wasn't just "one play", that was several plays, all of the same type - specifically the 2-minute drill pass defense where we gave up HUGE chunks in just several plays. It was infuriating to watch, I'm sure you remember it.

So no, I'm not pinning those losses on just "one play".

your entire point sounds like wilson (jets qb).. who everyone in the sports world thinks is crazy and attacking right now

he said he did his job and did enough to win in the jets/patriot game
because the score was tied 3 to 3 with 30 seconds to play, then marcus jones (patriots) had a punt return wining td

so by your definition a defense playing shut down defense for 55mins on a very good offense , historic level defensive number- but gives upa td to end the game.. so 7pts total allowed

if the offense score 3 point all game (from great field position from a defensive turnover) vs a horrible defense, that normally allows 40pts a game ..but because the score is 3 to 0 entering the last drive, the offense did its job?

i get what you are trying to say but i vehemently disagree .. these are 60 minute game, points scored in the 1st quarter count the same as points scored in the last quarter, and the context of the opponent you are playing matters (what are they good at).. the prevent d at the end wasn't good ( i never denied that).. but I value ALL the plays in games... if you are playing a bad defense i expect the offense to score more than 13..and will not accept that as "doing their job".. there is heavy fault in the offense

your point could be reverse and id still disagree "If you have a lead near the end of a game, the defense did its job!"-- we had a lead on temple (we had a lead with 1 minute to play) - the temple defense was atrocious because all 60 minutes counts.. hell we were up double digits in the usf game at all times.. the defense in the usf game was bad, i ont care that we were winning.....

lets agree to disagree.. because ill never agree with your point.. and you wont with mine

(11-22-2022 11:49 AM)pesik Wrote:  your entire point sounds like wilson (jets qb).. who everyone in the sports world thinks is crazy and attacking right now

I don't follow the NFL, but if that QB said he:

Quote:did his job and did enough to win in the jets/patriot game because the score was tied 3 to 3 with 30 seconds to play

then NO, thats not the scenario I'm talking about, and besides the failure sounds like it's on the special teams because Marcus Jones is Marcus Jones, so ya, they were pretty crazy to have kicked it to him in the first place. lol

But no, being tied from the last posession is NOT the same as giving your team the lead on your last posession. The goal of the offense is to score MORE points than the other team, not the same number of points. So I have to agree the QB - and the rest of the offense - failed to do their job.

Quote:so by your definition a defense playing shut down defense for 55mins on a very good offense , historic level defensive number- but gives upa td to end the game.. so 7pts total allowed

Ehm... hold on. My definition of "shut down defense" must be different than yours, because to me it means keeping the other team from scoring. It took 7 games for the defense to be able to stop the other team scoring as often as we did and get a cushion for the offense, and like I said, thank god Navy doesn't throw the ball hardly!
No, we were NOT playing shut down defense at that point in the season. Sorry.

Quote:if the offense score 3 point all game (from great field position from a defensive turnover) vs a horrible defense, that normally allows 40pts a game ..but because the score is 3 to 0 entering the last drive, the offense did its job?

When exactly were we ever in a 3-0 ball game this season? And when are you going to factor in penalties and turnovers plague we were suffering that time? And yes, the offense' job is to score MORE points than the other team so even if we had a 3-0 lead, the offense did it's job. Blowouts are nice, but style points don't show up in the W-L columns. A 1-pt win counts the same as a 30-pt blowout.

Quote:i get what you are trying to say but i vehemently disagree ...
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lets agree to disagree.. because ill never agree with your point.. and you wont with mine

Fine, but you could have started with that in this post and saved me all the extra typing of stuff you ultimately won't agree with. LOL