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(11-26-2022 09:26 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Any statistical gurus know the last time a starting UC QB had a stat line that bad? The Minter years?

From purely a passing perspective it has surely been a while. Though I'm confident Hayden Moore had worse overall games. You can't ignore the rushing attack

Good call. Hayden Moore vs Michigan in 2017:

15/40 (37.5) 132 yards 1 TD 2 INT 63.5 rating. Only 30 yards rushing on 10 attempts. Of course that’s Michigan not Tulane, but it was still ugly.

Couple things:

Godfather didn’t play, hurt the run defense.

Bush gave up big plays, the game winner, but also the long pass that led to FG before half. Both times, watching the backfield and his guy runs right by him. Yes he came up limping after the first long pass on the game winning drive, their coaches saw it as well.

TE’s were mis-used all season, I recall 1 catch yesterday, Taylor.

Ryan Montgomery was obviously the best RB on the roster, RB by committee was a flop.

Noticed Metz went out late, not sure if by injury or pulled, but once he went out, that side of the line played worse and pressure on the last drives came from that side. I thought he played well up to that point.

Can’t help but think both loses to UCF and Tulane were very similar in the matter of the outcome. Both games get late 4th qtr lead, both games the defense couldn’t stop passing late in the game - like they ran out of gas playing the run and couldn’t get pressure on the qb when it mattered most.

(11-26-2022 12:33 AM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:24 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:12 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 10:30 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  C'mon.

You decided in game 1 at Arkansas that Prater was a hill you were willing to die on. You unfortunately got your wish.

Prater will probably be a backup in something like the MAC next year. Nice kid and I wish him all the best regardless or where he is but he's just not a upper AAC level QB let alone a B12 level QB.

Well, I checked our roster and did not see Patrick Mahomes listed.

So seeing that the rules state that you have to play with the players on your team, all I have been saying was to put Prater in the game for those times when Bryant was not producing. Maybe you recall some of them? Like when we went scoreless in the first half at Arkansas when he missed three wide open TD's? Or when we had five straight three and outs against Indiana?

And again, I don't see where you get off pinning this loss on Prater... other than that's what all your buddies are saying. The dude had us in front with six minutes left in the game.

So you have yet to tell me how Prater let Tulane walk right down the field for the winning TD. He cost us the game, right?

Fair enough. What I thought was funny about your original post was that was the exact kind of comment made about Ben that you jumped all over people about. You could have almost changed the names.

Staff knew what they had. Reason they brought Ben back.

I still blame the UC media a bit for acting like the QB battle was close. Evan was not even close to Ben’s level as a passer. If they presented it like then I feel people would have understood why Ben started.

BCJ members knew this all along. It was close, as in each day was 10-9 or 10-8 in boxing terms. Over 12-15 rounds that’s not close at all. Bryant easily won the job and nearly broke a lot of school records.

If Evan Prater was from the state of Wyoming instead of Wyoming High School and did not physically resemble Des there would have not been anyone clamoring for him to start.

(11-26-2022 08:42 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  And again, the intent of my original take was not lauding the accomplishments of Evan Prater, but rather pointing the absolute collapse of the defense when it mattered most. The W was there for the taking and they couldn't do it.

Come on, the offense had 2 more chances to tie or take the lead after Tulane scored.

(11-26-2022 12:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:33 AM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:24 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:12 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Well, I checked our roster and did not see Patrick Mahomes listed.

So seeing that the rules state that you have to play with the players on your team, all I have been saying was to put Prater in the game for those times when Bryant was not producing. Maybe you recall some of them? Like when we went scoreless in the first half at Arkansas when he missed three wide open TD's? Or when we had five straight three and outs against Indiana?

And again, I don't see where you get off pinning this loss on Prater... other than that's what all your buddies are saying. The dude had us in front with six minutes left in the game.

So you have yet to tell me how Prater let Tulane walk right down the field for the winning TD. He cost us the game, right?

Fair enough. What I thought was funny about your original post was that was the exact kind of comment made about Ben that you jumped all over people about. You could have almost changed the names.

Staff knew what they had. Reason they brought Ben back.

I still blame the UC media a bit for acting like the QB battle was close. Evan was not even close to Ben’s level as a passer. If they presented it like then I feel people would have understood why Ben started.

BCJ members knew this all along. It was close, as in each day was 10-9 or 10-8 in boxing terms. Over 12-15 rounds that’s not close at all. Bryant easily won the job and nearly broke a lot of school records.

If Evan Prater was from the state of Wyoming instead of Wyoming High School and did not physically resemble Des there would have not been anyone clamoring for him to start.

He was UC's highest rated recruit ever, no? I gather people would still have been clamoring for him.

(11-26-2022 12:31 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:33 AM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:24 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Fair enough. What I thought was funny about your original post was that was the exact kind of comment made about Ben that you jumped all over people about. You could have almost changed the names.

Staff knew what they had. Reason they brought Ben back.

I still blame the UC media a bit for acting like the QB battle was close. Evan was not even close to Ben’s level as a passer. If they presented it like then I feel people would have understood why Ben started.

BCJ members knew this all along. It was close, as in each day was 10-9 or 10-8 in boxing terms. Over 12-15 rounds that’s not close at all. Bryant easily won the job and nearly broke a lot of school records.

If Evan Prater was from the state of Wyoming instead of Wyoming High School and did not physically resemble Des there would have not been anyone clamoring for him to start.

He was UC's highest rated recruit ever, no? I gather people would still have been clamoring for him.

Mario Eugenio and JQ Hardaway are among the highest rated recruits ever too yet you barely heard anyone screaming for the roof top that they should be starting.

(11-26-2022 12:55 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:31 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:33 AM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:24 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I still blame the UC media a bit for acting like the QB battle was close. Evan was not even close to Ben’s level as a passer. If they presented it like then I feel people would have understood why Ben started.

BCJ members knew this all along. It was close, as in each day was 10-9 or 10-8 in boxing terms. Over 12-15 rounds that’s not close at all. Bryant easily won the job and nearly broke a lot of school records.

If Evan Prater was from the state of Wyoming instead of Wyoming High School and did not physically resemble Des there would have not been anyone clamoring for him to start.

He was UC's highest rated recruit ever, no? I gather people would still have been clamoring for him.

Mario Eugenio and JQ Hardaway are among the highest rated recruits ever too yet you barely heard anyone screaming for the roof top that they should be starting.

Despite having a much worse initial option on the field in one case (Bush vs. Hardaway). I've said it before, but it is going to be hilarious how dead silent people will be about Drogosh getting a shot when he is far and away a better player at this stage than Prater was.

(11-26-2022 12:31 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:33 AM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:24 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Fair enough. What I thought was funny about your original post was that was the exact kind of comment made about Ben that you jumped all over people about. You could have almost changed the names.

Staff knew what they had. Reason they brought Ben back.

I still blame the UC media a bit for acting like the QB battle was close. Evan was not even close to Ben’s level as a passer. If they presented it like then I feel people would have understood why Ben started.

BCJ members knew this all along. It was close, as in each day was 10-9 or 10-8 in boxing terms. Over 12-15 rounds that’s not close at all. Bryant easily won the job and nearly broke a lot of school records.

If Evan Prater was from the state of Wyoming instead of Wyoming High School and did not physically resemble Des there would have not been anyone clamoring for him to start.

He was UC's highest rated recruit ever, no? I gather people would still have been clamoring for him.

Not sure if his rating was on potential or what. Saw him in person 2x his senior year. Great athlete who was just light years quicker then everyone but he was playing against really, really limited small school competition in D4 or whatever and even then it was clear he'd need a long time to develop as a passer.

3 years on campus and he's still not in the right zip code. He was a great G5 take. He's just not a P5 QB take and that's not a knock. I hope he puts up some nice tape in the bowl game because I have a feeling he's going to be looking for a new home for his final 2-3 years.

It's too late now but you wonder if he should have listened to the handful of schools back then that were wondering if he should try his hand at WR. At 6'4 with his athleticism and speed if he has even average hands he could have perhaps made a living on Sundays.

(11-26-2022 12:55 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:31 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:33 AM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:24 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I still blame the UC media a bit for acting like the QB battle was close. Evan was not even close to Ben’s level as a passer. If they presented it like then I feel people would have understood why Ben started.

BCJ members knew this all along. It was close, as in each day was 10-9 or 10-8 in boxing terms. Over 12-15 rounds that’s not close at all. Bryant easily won the job and nearly broke a lot of school records.

If Evan Prater was from the state of Wyoming instead of Wyoming High School and did not physically resemble Des there would have not been anyone clamoring for him to start.

He was UC's highest rated recruit ever, no? I gather people would still have been clamoring for him.

Mario Eugenio and JQ Hardaway are among the highest rated recruits ever too yet you barely heard anyone screaming for the roof top that they should be starting.

I mean, a couple of freshman defensive guys vs. a redshirt sophomore QB.

Not having Corleone in their definitely hurt the line play. However, I think Briggs played the entire game at NT and for a time the team abandoned their scheme of subbing DL to keep guys fresh. I didn't see any D-line subs come into the until late in the 3rd or 4th qtr. According to the box score no stats for backups on the DL except for Noah Potter recording 1 tackle.

(11-26-2022 11:37 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Good call. Hayden Moore vs Michigan in 2017:

15/40 (37.5) 132 yards 1 TD 2 INT 63.5 rating. Only 30 yards rushing on 10 attempts. Of course that’s Michigan not Tulane, but it was still ugly.

Ugh! I was at that game. Both interception were unforced. Under no pressure and threw it right to Michigan players. I seem to recall he also had a fumble.

(11-27-2022 10:24 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  Not having Corleone in their definitely hurt the line play. However, I think Briggs played the entire game at NT and for a time the team abandoned their scheme of subbing DL to keep guys fresh. I didn't see any D-line subs come into the until late in the 3rd or 4th qtr. According to the box score no stats for backups on the DL except for Noah Potter recording 1 tackle.

Lot of hype on Noah Potter, but he was pretty much a non-factor in the last few games. Whether it was injury related or not, he did not make as much of an impact as many had anticipated. Also committed a couple of dumb penalties as I recall, that kept opponents in the game.

(11-27-2022 10:24 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  Not having Corleone in their definitely hurt the line play. However, I think Briggs played the entire game at NT and for a time the team abandoned their scheme of subbing DL to keep guys fresh. I didn't see any D-line subs come into the until late in the 3rd or 4th qtr. According to the box score no stats for backups on the DL except for Noah Potter recording 1 tackle.

Lot of hype on Noah Potter, but he was pretty much a non-factor in the last few games. Whether it was injury related or not, he did not make as much of an impact as many had anticipated. Also committed a couple of dumb penalties as I recall, that kept opponents in the game.

Any chance some of our coaches were more focused on their future job than on beating Tulane?

(11-27-2022 04:20 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Any chance some of our coaches were more focused on their future job than on beating Tulane?

I wonder if this has been in the works for longer than Tulane. Team looked flat and 'off' for a few weeks now

(11-27-2022 04:20 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Any chance some of our coaches were more focused on their future job than on beating Tulane?

This whole season was a go through the motions phase. I think Fick wanted out last year but couldn’t because of the CFP. I think that’s why we ended up with the staff we did.