It is clear with the consistent messaging of "lucrative" what the CAA's priority is. Short-sighted and ill-advised.

(01-08-2023 01:47 PM)swampcougar1 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:06 PM)GoHawks13 Wrote:  Encourage those of you, like me, who despise Flo Sports to email the CAA commish and let him know your thoughts. I emailed him earlier today.

jdantonio@caasports.com

It is a travesty our game Wed is on Flo. Would draw a lot of national attention if on a nationwide platform, even ESPN +. Two very good teams. Not a more attractive game in the country being played Wed night

Agree with you completely.

FWIW - Joey D is the wrong person to address your complaints, he is one of the architects of this plan. When Joey started his CAA job, his first action was to hire old friends Michael Schreck and Ray Katz, who founded CSMG around the same time. CSMG sports media group brokered this deal, and I'm sure have profited handsomely. This info is all out there if you know where to look.

If you really want change, it will take the CAA Presidents replacing Joey with someone else. He married the CAA to CSMG, and they built this deal together.

(02-09-2023 11:59 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 01:47 PM)swampcougar1 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:06 PM)GoHawks13 Wrote:  Encourage those of you, like me, who despise Flo Sports to email the CAA commish and let him know your thoughts. I emailed him earlier today.

jdantonio@caasports.com

It is a travesty our game Wed is on Flo. Would draw a lot of national attention if on a nationwide platform, even ESPN +. Two very good teams. Not a more attractive game in the country being played Wed night

Agree with you completely.

FWIW - Joey D is the wrong person to address your complaints, he is one of the architects of this plan. When Joey started his CAA job, his first action was to hire old friends Michael Schreck and Ray Katz, who founded CSMG around the same time. CSMG sports media group brokered this deal, and I'm sure have profited handsomely. This info is all out there if you know where to look.

If you really want change, it will take the CAA Presidents replacing Joey with someone else. He married the CAA to CSMG, and they built this deal together.

CAA presidents /ADs have shown themselves to be reactive, not proactive. They seem to be too prideful to recognize that the "JoeyD" {or Tom Yeager, or whomever) leads them around, rather than works for them.

The only people in America who think that Flo Sports is a good idea are the ones that benefit from it and those who can't bear the idea of recognizing that they have been bamboozled by the ones who benefit from it.

They're proud of the deal

They legitimately think they are breaking new ground for mid majors

School presidents and fans/season ticket holders/stakeholders have different agendas/purposes. Its as simple as that. And clearly the 2 are not in line nor do they work together. Unfortunately for all of us, they are the ones swinging the stick

I will say one thing in defense of this deal is that it gets teams local exposure for those schools who decide to take advantage of it...
In Philadelphia, here's how Drexel compares with televised games (local or national) in the Philadelphia region compared to the other 4 Philadelphia schools that are in conferences with ESPN deals....

Temple 17
Drexel 14
St Joe 13
La Salle 8
Penn 7

So Drexel is getting as much TV exposure as the other teams in the city.

For the CAA teams that don't take advantage of local linear TV, UNCW, Charleston, Elon, Hampton, NCA&T and Hofstra....well, shame on them.

(02-10-2023 08:48 AM)J.B. Wrote:  I will say one thing in defense of this deal is that it gets teams local exposure for those schools who decide to take advantage of it...
In Philadelphia, here's how Drexel compares with televised games (local or national) in the Philadelphia region compared to the other 4 Philadelphia schools that are in conferences with ESPN deals....

Temple 17
Drexel 14
St Joe 13
La Salle 8
Penn 7

So Drexel is getting as much TV exposure as the other teams in the city.

For the CAA teams that don't take advantage of local linear TV, UNCW, Charleston, Elon, Hampton, NCA&T and Hofstra....well, shame on them.

Also notice that Stony Brook, Monmouth and Hofstra get a lot of coverage in Metro NY with SNY - which to your point, certainly trumps any national opportunity thru ESPN+. W&M gets a fair number of games on COX which covers Virginia and other areas pretty well.

I don’t know a lot about FLO and don’t use it. I do like CBSSN a lot and leveraging games with that network seems to me a smart move by the CAA. It’s national coverage, widely available and they have very professional broadcasts.

Im not a big fan of ESPN. They do no favors to mid major basketball and they tend to dictate schedules. If it were up to them, they would probably air our men’s championship game if we played on some random night at 11pm. In fact, i think that’s how the split began back when they did air out championship game. They wanted to change the timing which flew in the face of the tournament schedule being a tight 4 day event.

The issue I would like to see addressed would be CAA football. ESPN is not great option there either. Look what they have done to G5 - specifically the MAC and now CUSA - taking the lead in their scheduling to create weeknight football games. If they are doing that to G5, imagine the terms they would throw at the CAA. Weekday morning games?

CAA football had some good options when NBCSN used to carry a large number of games in a set-up like CBSSN. Unfortunately, NBC went bust and CBS is linked with Army and Navy on Saturdays. Local options again are next best option.

(02-10-2023 09:13 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(02-10-2023 08:48 AM)J.B. Wrote:  I will say one thing in defense of this deal is that it gets teams local exposure for those schools who decide to take advantage of it...
In Philadelphia, here's how Drexel compares with televised games (local or national) in the Philadelphia region compared to the other 4 Philadelphia schools that are in conferences with ESPN deals....

Temple 17
Drexel 14
St Joe 13
La Salle 8
Penn 7

So Drexel is getting as much TV exposure as the other teams in the city.

For the CAA teams that don't take advantage of local linear TV, UNCW, Charleston, Elon, Hampton, NCA&T and Hofstra....well, shame on them.

Also notice that Stony Brook, Monmouth and Hofstra get a lot of coverage in Metro NY with SNY - which to your point, certainly trumps any national opportunity thru ESPN+. W&M gets a fair number of games on COX which covers Virginia and other areas pretty well.

I don’t know a lot about FLO and don’t use it. I do like CBSSN a lot and leveraging games with that network seems to me a smart move by the CAA. It’s national coverage, widely available and they have very professional broadcasts.

Im not a big fan of ESPN. They do no favors to mid major basketball and they tend to dictate schedules. If it were up to them, they would probably air our men’s championship game if we played on some random night at 11pm. In fact, i think that’s how the split began back when they did air out championship game. They wanted to change the timing which flew in the face of the tournament schedule being a tight 4 day event.

The issue I would like to see addressed would be CAA football. ESPN is not great option there either. Look what they have done to G5 - specifically the MAC and now CUSA - taking the lead in their scheduling to create weeknight football games. If they are doing that to G5, imagine the terms they would throw at the CAA. Weekday morning games?

CAA football had some good options when NBCSN used to carry a large number of games in a set-up like CBSSN. Unfortunately, NBC went bust and CBS is linked with Army and Navy on Saturdays. Local options again are next best option.

CAA could do what majority of other FCS conferences have done and broadcast football games on ESPN+ without sacrificing their Saturday game times. It is only paid linear broadcasts where ESPN dictates the day/time that the programming fits into.

The issue with this is the compensation on ESPN+ would likely be less than what Flo gives, and the Flo revenues (at least initially) were what funded the CBSSN broadcasts (CAA paid CBSSN for the slots). So getting CBSSN games comes at the cost of Flo. Football is subsidizing basketball airtime. The two are interlinked.

If any of you are on a monthly plan with Flo and are only interested in basketball, now might be a good time to log in a click on the "cancel subscription" button. Depending on when your subscription starts, you might be able to stay on long enough to take you through the men's and women's basketball tournaments. I'm good to the 21st of March. which should get me through the second round of the WNIT. This season of Flo is cost me $60+tax. Not the worst thing considering how many basketball games I watch on the platform.

You guys got time these things.

My subscriptions went from
Nov 21 to Dec 21 (Missed our first 2 non D1 games and the soccer tournament)
Jan 4 to Feb 4 (Went to Hampton game on Dec 31st, I started my subscription right before Elon game at 7PM 1/4, W&M game on 2/4 was at 2Pm so my subscription expired right after that one)
Feb 11 to Mar 11 (Went to game at Charleston Feb 8, will get the remainder of basketball season and start of baseball season)
Mar 12 to Apr 12 (Will keep for baseball and if i go to cancel they will give me a 20% discount to stay so this month is discounted)
Apr 28 to May 28 (During this gap UNCW has a lot of road games on ESPN+. Will miss the Campbell weekday game and the Delaware series but get the entire month of May baseball and the CAA tournament)

Total = 5 months at the @uncw.edu rate = between $35 and $40

That is a reminder to me about when to cancel. I paid on January 26, so I have to pay on February 26, and then I will cancel until the 2023 Women's Soccer Tournament.

https://www.msgnetworks.com/hofstra-and-...asketball/

While late to the game, looks like Hofstra entered into a multi year agreement to get many of their basketball games televised, debuting is tonight's WBB game vs. Drexel.

So all of the northern schools are now putting at least some of their games on linear TV. I guess it's now just the schools south of the VA/NC border who still are not taking advantage of this option. Have their been any updates yet that I'm not aware of?

(02-09-2023 11:59 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 01:47 PM)swampcougar1 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:06 PM)GoHawks13 Wrote:  Encourage those of you, like me, who despise Flo Sports to email the CAA commish and let him know your thoughts. I emailed him earlier today.

jdantonio@caasports.com

It is a travesty our game Wed is on Flo. Would draw a lot of national attention if on a nationwide platform, even ESPN +. Two very good teams. Not a more attractive game in the country being played Wed night

Agree with you completely.

FWIW - Joey D is the wrong person to address your complaints, he is one of the architects of this plan. When Joey started his CAA job, his first action was to hire old friends Michael Schreck and Ray Katz, who founded CSMG around the same time. CSMG sports media group brokered this deal, and I'm sure have profited handsomely. This info is all out there if you know where to look.

If you really want change, it will take the CAA Presidents replacing Joey with someone else. He married the CAA to CSMG, and they built this deal together.

i don't know where to look...so please share your numbers to back up some pretty nasty accusations you made. i hear a lot of complaining about flo...and a lot of other things...but i don't hear any actual numbers to back of any of the claims against it.

the major complaints i tend to see about flo are...

1. the presentation (streaming quality, graphics, sound) is bad. everybody complains about streaming quality. get over it. i also believe the individual schools have always produced the feeds.

2. it's too expensive. no it's not. i liked the breakdown from the uncw fan where they spent $40 for a whole season by getting creative. everybody hates the streaming service they don't already have because they don't want to pay the extra money.

3. we're losing out on exposure. do you honestly think people on espn+ are suddenly going to flip on caa games?

i'm not going to say flo is the ultimate answer. if you're familiar with types of medical studies...i'll make the argument flo is non-inferior to any other option...

1. it takes on all caa sports which seems important to our conference. at drexel...the various sports seem compartmentalized where basketball is completely separate from everyone else. that may be unique to us since we don't have other major sports like football or even baseball. i don't know anybody who regularly attends basketball games and lacross, soccer, field hockey, etc. i've watched drexel wrestling, softball, and field hockey on flo so it increases the appeal to people like me who are most likely to jump on board other sports.

2. it allows for linear tv. i got interested in philly basketball as a kid because of atlantic 10 games on what's now nbc sports philadelphia and local news stations covering games. i would be curious if espn+ has cost prohibitive or other reasons that makes this more difficult. again...i'd like to see somebody show some financials or hear more insight from somebody sitting in the rooms making these deals about why a flo linear deal may be better.

3. it has a lot of awesome stuff. i live in central pennsylvania and they show tons of dirt racing. they show big east women's basketball so i've been able to follow denise dillon and villanova women's basketball. my son loves minor league hockey and we just figured out the echl including the reading royals shows all their games on flo.

4. the world doesn't revolve around espn. i understand espn+ has pro sports like the nhl. hockey isn't nearly as popular as it used to be and who really cares about watching new jersey vs. winnipeg. flo fills the void of what espn used to be...a network that carries random sports you hardly get to see anywhere else...instead of a bunch of wind bags with worthless hot takes.

a fair criticism of flo is marketing. i think a lot of people would shut up about flohoops if they could land at least one big fish the way floracing has. kyle larson is one of their biggest stars. floracing is on the hood of his late model and they sponsor a new dirt racing series he started with brad sweet that's going to compete with the world of outlaws and all star circuit of champions. larson is arguably the biggest name in racing right now especially since he crosses over multiple dirt and pavement disciplines.

in fact...floracing is doing so well that lincoln speedway here in pa is taking some of their races off streaming because they think it's hurting their attendance. they're claiming flo has become so popular that people would rather sit at home than go to the track. nevermind nobody wants to be at the track until midnight because they take forever to prep the track or run boring support series nobody cares about.

streaming services are the low hanging fruit to blame. we forget they're giving us a chance to see games we didn't get to see 10 years ago. all of these things are in flux as we move into the next generation of whatever watching sports is going to look like. all i care about above everything is fairness in this debate instead of whining.

It is not that people who are not fans of a CAA team and get ESPN Plus will become CAA fans. My primary source of scores are scoreboards from ESPN. During games, they link to ESPN Plus to watch the games they have. If a game is not on ESPN Plus, I have to search for the school's website, and hope that the game is streamed for free. When a game is close at the end and on ESPN Plus, I sometimes watch the end. Almost every game tonight and tomorrow is on TV or ESPN Plus. Being on ESPN Plus would get viewers from fans who do not pay for Flo, and fans of teams who play nonconference games at CAA teams and would not pay for Flo to see their team play one game. The CAA would get more viewers on ESPN Plus.

ESPN Plus does allow some games to be on regional sports networks. If you search this topic and/or topics in team forums, you will find examples. I saw a Missouri Valley game on ESPN Plus and one of the Bally channels.

If a game is on ESPN Plus and is not on TV, the bottom of the screen shows fouls committed and timeouts left. On Flo, some teams do that, but not all teams. Hofstra does not show either one. You can get that from StatBroadcast that has great statistics during games, but StatBroadcast is ahead of Flo, so unless you only look at StatBroadcast early in timeouts and at halftime, StatBroadcast will tell you what happened before you see it.

ESPN Plus shows many sports. I do not know if they show every sport the CAA has on Flo, but it is not like ESPN Plus only shows Men's Basketball.

Flo really rears its ugly head this time of year, when conference tournaments are happening all over the place. The interest these games get from neutral fans, particularly gamblers, is significant. And 75% of the CAA Tournament's games are stuck on FloHoops, a service that the average person has no reason to subscribe to without a secondary reason. At least with ESPN+ or even Paramount+, there are other reasons why someone would already be subscribed, and they can just fire up the game and watch it.

Flo is a fringe service, and it will always be a fringe service, and expecting it to magically stop being a fringe service is like waiting for Godot.

There's no use continuing the Flo vs. ESPN arguments since there's nothing we can do right now, and the CAA is stuck with Flo for the near future. But what the CAA can still do and should do is expand linear broadcast options as much as possible. I don't see why that can't be done for the first two rounds of the CAA tournament either. Does anyone know if the big 10 figure deal includes Flo's exclusive rights to the CAA tournaments for all games not on CBSSN?

Not sure if anybody has noticed, but the SWAC of all conferences is getting more TV exposure than the CAA lately, through Byron Allen's HBCU GO. They signed a deal with CBS to get games aired on free TV stations nationally. The CW Philly 57 has been airing a lot of SWAC games recently. I had been saying all along, the CAA still needs to try to figure out how to still think outside of the box and get as many games on TV as they Flo deal will allow.

New CAA media rights deal means more money, TV exposure for CofC

In February, the CAA signed a new four-year extension worth more than $10 million with FloSports and CBS Sports, providing the conference with at least 20 nationally televised basketball games.

Under the new agreement, the College of Charleston will also be able to televise as many as 10 home basketball games with local linear TV partners. The Cougars appeared on CBS Sports Network four times last season, including home games against Delaware, Stony Brook and Towson.

The College of Charleston will also receive about $100,000 annually from the conference.

“What we liked about the deal was the flexibility that FloSports and CBS Network gave with linear television,” said College of Charleston athletics director Matt Roberts. “FloSports allows us to produce and broadcast up to 10 home basketball games and we’re in the process of brokering a deal that will have statewide distribution.”

Roberts said he hopes to have a new linear TV package in place in the next couple of months.

https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/co...54c2d.html

(06-20-2023 11:17 AM)AGGIE2039 Wrote:  New CAA media rights deal means more money, TV exposure for CofC

In February, the CAA signed a new four-year extension worth more than $10 million with FloSports and CBS Sports, providing the conference with at least 20 nationally televised basketball games.

Under the new agreement, the College of Charleston will also be able to televise as many as 10 home basketball games with local linear TV partners. The Cougars appeared on CBS Sports Network four times last season, including home games against Delaware, Stony Brook and Towson.

The College of Charleston will also receive about $100,000 annually from the conference.

“What we liked about the deal was the flexibility that FloSports and CBS Network gave with linear television,” said College of Charleston athletics director Matt Roberts. “FloSports allows us to produce and broadcast up to 10 home basketball games and we’re in the process of brokering a deal that will have statewide distribution.”

Roberts said he hopes to have a new linear TV package in place in the next couple of months.

https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/co...54c2d.html

And while this article focuses on CofC, it also applies to every team in the conference. If every team spent some money to get 10 home games on linear TV, and some of those games I think could even be syndicated to the away team market, then this deal might actually be better than ESPN+. But the schools have to be committed to distributing their games in order to make it work.

(06-21-2023 07:54 AM)J.B. Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:17 AM)AGGIE2039 Wrote:  New CAA media rights deal means more money, TV exposure for CofC

In February, the CAA signed a new four-year extension worth more than $10 million with FloSports and CBS Sports, providing the conference with at least 20 nationally televised basketball games.

Under the new agreement, the College of Charleston will also be able to televise as many as 10 home basketball games with local linear TV partners. The Cougars appeared on CBS Sports Network four times last season, including home games against Delaware, Stony Brook and Towson.

The College of Charleston will also receive about $100,000 annually from the conference.

“What we liked about the deal was the flexibility that FloSports and CBS Network gave with linear television,” said College of Charleston athletics director Matt Roberts. “FloSports allows us to produce and broadcast up to 10 home basketball games and we’re in the process of brokering a deal that will have statewide distribution.”

Roberts said he hopes to have a new linear TV package in place in the next couple of months.

https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/co...54c2d.html

And while this article focuses on CofC, it also applies to every team in the conference. If every team spent some money to get 10 home games on linear TV, and some of those games I think could even be syndicated to the away team market, then this deal might actually be better than ESPN+. But they schools have to be committed to distributing their games in order to make it work.

Im slightly optimistic our new AD with his UConn background recognizes this

Stony Brook took advantage of this. Last year there were 8 MBB games and 8 WBB games on SNY.