(03-07-2023 08:57 PM)Boots Wrote:  Here is an idea if the Big 12 wants the more high caliber basketball programs....Add SDSU and Memphis. Not that complicated.

By far the best basketball options (outside Gonzaga). Both again will make the NCAA tourney this year.

*SDSU 11 NCAA Tournaments in the last 20 years

*Memphis 12 NCAA Tournaments in last 20 years.

In last 20 years for comparison...

Creighton = 10 NCAA tourneys...
UCF = 3
Houston = 6
Cincy = 12
SMU = 2
BYU = 11
UNLV = 6
CSU = 4
Fresno State = 1
Tulane = 0
Wichita State = 9
Boise State = 5

Would Memphis take a basketball only? hmm....

Under current NCAA rules there’s no such thing as a basketball only invite.

(03-08-2023 06:06 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 08:57 PM)Boots Wrote:  Here is an idea if the Big 12 wants the more high caliber basketball programs....Add SDSU and Memphis. Not that complicated.

By far the best basketball options (outside Gonzaga). Both again will make the NCAA tourney this year.

*SDSU 11 NCAA Tournaments in the last 20 years

*Memphis 12 NCAA Tournaments in last 20 years.

In last 20 years for comparison...

Creighton = 10 NCAA tourneys...
UCF = 3
Houston = 6
Cincy = 12
SMU = 2
BYU = 11
UNLV = 6
CSU = 4
Fresno State = 1
Tulane = 0
Wichita State = 9
Boise State = 5

Would Memphis take a basketball only? hmm....

Under current NCAA rules there’s no such thing as a basketball only invite.

I believe that he meant Olympic sports only invitation, much like what Georgetown University has with the Big East.

(03-08-2023 03:10 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 07:00 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 02:17 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 01:43 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 12:24 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  C-USA gets in the fun by making two football-only additions: NDSU and SDSU. Both stay in the Summit for Olympic sports.

I believe NDSU's present media deal with ForumComm is better than a C-USA full share.

Probably so in terms of raw media money.

Getting access to a share of CFP monies helps even the scales.

Getting access to the CFP as an FBS conference champ probably tips them.

I don't think it is happening with C-USA, but I could see the MWC explore Montana/Dakota FCS programs to reload if the PAC were to take from them.

MWC would be an easy decision, but CUSA is a different story.
NDSU generates like 4-5 millions in fb ticket sales. They'd take a hit with weekday games as well, and many of their fans travel hours to attend games. They currently have all games on statewide ota tv, would that go away as well? Would piss off a bunch of the fans and there would be increased costs for travel and schollarships.. Highly doubt they would be interested.

MWC would be an easy decision, but CUSA is a different story.

If NDSU was assured that they would spend no more than three years in C-USA and then go to the MWC as well as keep their statewide OTA tv deal, I can see NDSU taking that, especially if an MWC president says that's the only way they're getting in.

If MWC wanted us why would they ask we take a CUSA detour? If they did say that why would CUSA agree? Why would NDSU agree to effectively donate millions to CUSA in exit fees? This idea makes absolutely no sense.

(03-08-2023 08:49 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 06:06 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 08:57 PM)Boots Wrote:  Here is an idea if the Big 12 wants the more high caliber basketball programs....Add SDSU and Memphis. Not that complicated.

By far the best basketball options (outside Gonzaga). Both again will make the NCAA tourney this year.

*SDSU 11 NCAA Tournaments in the last 20 years

*Memphis 12 NCAA Tournaments in last 20 years.

In last 20 years for comparison...

Creighton = 10 NCAA tourneys...
UCF = 3
Houston = 6
Cincy = 12
SMU = 2
BYU = 11
UNLV = 6
CSU = 4
Fresno State = 1
Tulane = 0
Wichita State = 9
Boise State = 5

Would Memphis take a basketball only? hmm....

Under current NCAA rules there’s no such thing as a basketball only invite.

I believe that he meant Olympic sports only invitation, much like what Georgetown University has with the Big East.

That was my take, too, Dawg. The reality, however, is that the Big 12 is not going to invite a school that sponsors FBS football for all sports but football (in this case Memphis). Makes zero sense. Conversely, the Big 12 hypothetically inviting Gonzaga does seem plausible.

(03-08-2023 08:53 AM)clunk Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 03:10 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 07:00 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 02:17 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 01:43 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  I believe NDSU's present media deal with ForumComm is better than a C-USA full share.

Probably so in terms of raw media money.

Getting access to a share of CFP monies helps even the scales.

Getting access to the CFP as an FBS conference champ probably tips them.

I don't think it is happening with C-USA, but I could see the MWC explore Montana/Dakota FCS programs to reload if the PAC were to take from them.

MWC would be an easy decision, but CUSA is a different story.
NDSU generates like 4-5 millions in fb ticket sales. They'd take a hit with weekday games as well, and many of their fans travel hours to attend games. They currently have all games on statewide ota tv, would that go away as well? Would piss off a bunch of the fans and there would be increased costs for travel and schollarships.. Highly doubt they would be interested.

MWC would be an easy decision, but CUSA is a different story.

If NDSU was assured that they would spend no more than three years in C-USA and then go to the MWC as well as keep their statewide OTA tv deal, I can see NDSU taking that, especially if an MWC president says that's the only way they're getting in.

If MWC wanted us why would they ask we take a CUSA detour? If they did say that why would CUSA agree? Why would NDSU agree to effectively donate millions to CUSA in exit fees? This idea makes absolutely no sense.

To the bolded: They wouldn't.
The west is missing an entry-level FBS conference.

(03-08-2023 03:10 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 07:00 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 02:17 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 01:43 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 12:24 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  C-USA gets in the fun by making two football-only additions: NDSU and SDSU. Both stay in the Summit for Olympic sports.

I believe NDSU's present media deal with ForumComm is better than a C-USA full share.

Probably so in terms of raw media money.

Getting access to a share of CFP monies helps even the scales.

Getting access to the CFP as an FBS conference champ probably tips them.

I don't think it is happening with C-USA, but I could see the MWC explore Montana/Dakota FCS programs to reload if the PAC were to take from them.

MWC would be an easy decision, but CUSA is a different story.
NDSU generates like 4-5 millions in fb ticket sales. They'd take a hit with weekday games as well, and many of their fans travel hours to attend games. They currently have all games on statewide ota tv, would that go away as well? Would piss off a bunch of the fans and there would be increased costs for travel and schollarships.. Highly doubt they would be interested.

MWC would be an easy decision, but CUSA is a different story.

If NDSU was assured that they would spend no more than three years in C-USA and then go to the MWC as well as keep their statewide OTA tv deal, I can see NDSU taking that, especially if an MWC president says that's the only way they're getting in.

In that case, CUSA doesn't bother with them.


Which is best. I don't think we should anyway.

(03-08-2023 08:53 AM)clunk Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 03:10 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 07:00 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 02:17 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 01:43 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  I believe NDSU's present media deal with ForumComm is better than a C-USA full share.

Probably so in terms of raw media money.

Getting access to a share of CFP monies helps even the scales.

Getting access to the CFP as an FBS conference champ probably tips them.

I don't think it is happening with C-USA, but I could see the MWC explore Montana/Dakota FCS programs to reload if the PAC were to take from them.

MWC would be an easy decision, but CUSA is a different story.
NDSU generates like 4-5 millions in fb ticket sales. They'd take a hit with weekday games as well, and many of their fans travel hours to attend games. They currently have all games on statewide ota tv, would that go away as well? Would piss off a bunch of the fans and there would be increased costs for travel and schollarships.. Highly doubt they would be interested.

MWC would be an easy decision, but CUSA is a different story.

If NDSU was assured that they would spend no more than three years in C-USA and then go to the MWC as well as keep their statewide OTA tv deal, I can see NDSU taking that, especially if an MWC president says that's the only way they're getting in.

If MWC wanted us why would they ask we take a CUSA detour? If they did say that why would CUSA agree? Why would NDSU agree to effectively donate millions to CUSA in exit fees? This idea makes absolutely no sense.

Because the MWC is not an entry level FBS conference, clunk, just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference. C-USA is, and I believe that they understand that.

In addition, the MWC has never been an entry-level FBS conference, to the best of my knowledge.

(03-08-2023 09:59 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Because the MWC is not an entry level FBS conference, clunk, just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference. C-USA is, and I believe that they understand that.

Didn't an FCS team "enter" the FBS level in the SB, oh, round 'bout THIS YEAR!?

(03-08-2023 10:07 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 09:59 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Because the MWC is not an entry level FBS conference, clunk, just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference. C-USA is, and I believe that they understand that.

Didn't an FCS team "enter" the FBS level in the SB, oh, round 'bout THIS YEAR!?

James Madison was a special case. They had a standing SBC invitation and they chose to take it. The SBC has made it perfectly clear that the days of handing out invites to FCS level teams are over.

(03-08-2023 10:07 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 09:59 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Because the MWC is not an entry level FBS conference, clunk, just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference. C-USA is, and I believe that they understand that.

Didn't an FCS team "enter" the FBS level in the SB, oh, round 'bout THIS YEAR!?

To be fair, JMU wasn't a "typical" FCS team. They were basically operating at a lower FBS level for years leading up to that (the same can be said for certain Dakota schools as well). The main difference is the geography - they had the perfect geography to go along with their performance.

(03-08-2023 08:49 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 06:06 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 08:57 PM)Boots Wrote:  Here is an idea if the Big 12 wants the more high caliber basketball programs....Add SDSU and Memphis. Not that complicated.

By far the best basketball options (outside Gonzaga). Both again will make the NCAA tourney this year.

*SDSU 11 NCAA Tournaments in the last 20 years

*Memphis 12 NCAA Tournaments in last 20 years.

In last 20 years for comparison...

Creighton = 10 NCAA tourneys...
UCF = 3
Houston = 6
Cincy = 12
SMU = 2
BYU = 11
UNLV = 6
CSU = 4
Fresno State = 1
Tulane = 0
Wichita State = 9
Boise State = 5

Would Memphis take a basketball only? hmm....

Under current NCAA rules there’s no such thing as a basketball only invite.

I believe that he meant Olympic sports only invitation, much like what Georgetown University has with the Big East.

Yes, meant olympic sports...not basketball only. So basically football would have to go independent.

Unlikely I know...just interesting Yormack wants basketball brands and has Memphis right in front of him.

(03-08-2023 09:59 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 08:53 AM)clunk Wrote:  If MWC wanted us why would they ask we take a CUSA detour? If they did say that why would CUSA agree? Why would NDSU agree to effectively donate millions to CUSA in exit fees? This idea makes absolutely no sense.

Because the MWC is not an entry level FBS conference, clunk, just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference. C-USA is, and I believe that they understand that.

In addition, the MWC has never been an entry-level FBS conference, to the best of my knowledge.

I don't believe "entry-level" conference means anything. When a conference adds, they take whoever's available that's the best overall fit. To date they've been able to be pretty selective. If the MWC gets to a point they're seriously looking at NDSU, it's not going to matter in the slightest what conference we're currently in.

(03-08-2023 10:41 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 10:07 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 09:59 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Because the MWC is not an entry level FBS conference, clunk, just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference. C-USA is, and I believe that they understand that.

Didn't an FCS team "enter" the FBS level in the SB, oh, round 'bout THIS YEAR!?

James Madison was a special case. They had a standing SBC invitation and they chose to take it. The SBC has made it perfectly clear that the days of handing out invites to FCS level teams are over.

(03-08-2023 10:46 AM)e-parade Wrote:  To be fair, JMU wasn't a "typical" FCS team. They were basically operating at a lower FBS level for years leading up to that (the same can be said for certain Dakota schools as well). The main difference is the geography - they had the perfect geography to go along with their performance.

Oh, I see.

You meant the SB isn't an entry level conference except for this year when they were an entry level conference, because. . . specialness.

Why didn't you just say that?

They never do it, except for when they do it. Like they just did.

But, you know, it was special. So never(???) again? Ever? Like, ever ever?

(03-08-2023 11:24 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 10:41 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 10:07 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 09:59 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Because the MWC is not an entry level FBS conference, clunk, just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference. C-USA is, and I believe that they understand that.

Didn't an FCS team "enter" the FBS level in the SB, oh, round 'bout THIS YEAR!?

James Madison was a special case. They had a standing SBC invitation and they chose to take it. The SBC has made it perfectly clear that the days of handing out invites to FCS level teams are over.

(03-08-2023 10:46 AM)e-parade Wrote:  To be fair, JMU wasn't a "typical" FCS team. They were basically operating at a lower FBS level for years leading up to that (the same can be said for certain Dakota schools as well). The main difference is the geography - they had the perfect geography to go along with their performance.

Oh, I see.

You meant the SB isn't an entry level conference except for this year when they were an entry level conference, because. . . specialness.

Why didn't you just say that?

They never do it, except for when they do it. Like they just did.

But, you know, it was special. So never(???) again? Ever? Like, ever ever?

It wasn't my statement, I was just commenting on the quality of JMU. But also, the statement was:

Quote:...just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference

Which implies that it was at one point. That point could very fairly be meant as "they've now done it for the last time and won't be repeating the process."

(03-08-2023 11:32 AM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:24 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 10:41 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 10:07 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 09:59 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Because the MWC is not an entry level FBS conference, clunk, just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference. C-USA is, and I believe that they understand that.

Didn't an FCS team "enter" the FBS level in the SB, oh, round 'bout THIS YEAR!?

James Madison was a special case. They had a standing SBC invitation and they chose to take it. The SBC has made it perfectly clear that the days of handing out invites to FCS level teams are over.

(03-08-2023 10:46 AM)e-parade Wrote:  To be fair, JMU wasn't a "typical" FCS team. They were basically operating at a lower FBS level for years leading up to that (the same can be said for certain Dakota schools as well). The main difference is the geography - they had the perfect geography to go along with their performance.

Oh, I see.

You meant the SB isn't an entry level conference except for this year when they were an entry level conference, because. . . specialness.

Why didn't you just say that?

They never do it, except for when they do it. Like they just did.

But, you know, it was special. So never(???) again? Ever? Like, ever ever?

It wasn't my statement, I was just commenting on the quality of JMU. But also, the statement was:

Quote:...just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference

Which implies that it was at one point. That point could very fairly be meant as "they've now done it for the last time and won't be repeating the process."

Ever?

(03-08-2023 11:48 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:32 AM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 11:24 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 10:41 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 10:07 AM)inutech Wrote:  Didn't an FCS team "enter" the FBS level in the SB, oh, round 'bout THIS YEAR!?

James Madison was a special case. They had a standing SBC invitation and they chose to take it. The SBC has made it perfectly clear that the days of handing out invites to FCS level teams are over.

(03-08-2023 10:46 AM)e-parade Wrote:  To be fair, JMU wasn't a "typical" FCS team. They were basically operating at a lower FBS level for years leading up to that (the same can be said for certain Dakota schools as well). The main difference is the geography - they had the perfect geography to go along with their performance.

Oh, I see.

You meant the SB isn't an entry level conference except for this year when they were an entry level conference, because. . . specialness.

Why didn't you just say that?

They never do it, except for when they do it. Like they just did.

But, you know, it was special. So never(???) again? Ever? Like, ever ever?

It wasn't my statement, I was just commenting on the quality of JMU. But also, the statement was:

Quote:...just like the SunBelt is no longer an entry level FBS conference

Which implies that it was at one point. That point could very fairly be meant as "they've now done it for the last time and won't be repeating the process."

Ever?

Again, not my original statement. I'll let him defend what he meant there.

I'm taking it to mean: with the current membership, they are no longer an FCS -> FBS conference.

So if they lose teams, say to the AAC or something, then maybe they'd consider it, but if the membership stays as it is they will not.


C-USA or the MAC, on the other hand, might be willing if the right team applied (say a Delaware or something).

(03-08-2023 11:06 AM)Boots Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 08:49 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 06:06 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-07-2023 08:57 PM)Boots Wrote:  Here is an idea if the Big 12 wants the more high caliber basketball programs....Add SDSU and Memphis. Not that complicated.

By far the best basketball options (outside Gonzaga). Both again will make the NCAA tourney this year.

*SDSU 11 NCAA Tournaments in the last 20 years

*Memphis 12 NCAA Tournaments in last 20 years.

In last 20 years for comparison...

Creighton = 10 NCAA tourneys...
UCF = 3
Houston = 6
Cincy = 12
SMU = 2
BYU = 11
UNLV = 6
CSU = 4
Fresno State = 1
Tulane = 0
Wichita State = 9
Boise State = 5

Would Memphis take a basketball only? hmm....

Under current NCAA rules there’s no such thing as a basketball only invite.

I believe that he meant Olympic sports only invitation, much like what Georgetown University has with the Big East.

Yes, meant olympic sports...not basketball only. So basically football would have to go independent.

Unlikely I know...just interesting Yormack wants basketball brands and has Memphis right in front of him.

Memphis makes sense geographically and for the rivalries it would offer with Cincy and Houston. The problem is Memphis sponsors FBS football. Gonzaga and Creighton don't. Thus those two have the edge over Memphis if (a big if) the Big 12 is looking to add non-football members.

IF Yormark is as good as people say he is then he should offer both Memphis and UConn as full time members. That would build up more of an Eastern flank in the Big XII, potentially offering a more comfortable landing pad for any leftovers from another autonomy conference. In essence, take what is believed to be a western strategy and apply it to the eastern part of the country.

What I can't fathom is going after the likes of St. John's and Villanova. Those two have a good thing with being in a basketball-centered conference without the headache of sponsoring football. It would suck to see that one ruined.

Boise State to the Big 12 for BYU travel partner is what was needed from the start instead of adding Houston. Houston would still be there if the Big 12 gets raided again.

I can't imagine Big East teams leaving for the Big 12. Unless it is a major financial boost.

They are already one of the top basketball leagues with likeminded schools and geographical proximity. Basketball is king in the Big East....not quite sure I see the advantage for those schools.