The most impactful statement of the article:

“Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving.”

(03-09-2023 01:05 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

Until all the money dries up and they are stuck in a coast to coast conference.

They don’t have to worry about that anytime soon given their new contract

(03-09-2023 01:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Adding better quality football schools like Air Force, Boise State, Fresno State and San Deigo State are better adds than adding Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.

They really aren't even close to better adds. 4 AAU schools, 4 big time schools,a high level basketball school in Arizona, a high level football school in Utah, major rivalries, and solidification of the conference.

(03-09-2023 01:02 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Adding better quality football schools like Air Force, Boise State, Fresno State and San Deigo State are better adds than adding Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.

Comments like these clearly show your bias.

Well, the three PAC 12 schools I mentioned had losing football seasons last year. The 4 MWC teams had winning seasons last year.

(03-09-2023 01:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:02 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Adding better quality football schools like Air Force, Boise State, Fresno State and San Deigo State are better adds than adding Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.

Comments like these clearly show your bias.

Well, the three PAC 12 schools I mentioned had losing football seasons last year. The 4 MWC teams had winning seasons last year.

Realignment isn’t about what team is on a successful run at the moment. It’s about the program as a whole. The University of Arizona and the University of Utah as a whole are infinitely more valuable than Fresno State and Boise State.

(03-09-2023 01:09 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Adding better quality football schools like Air Force, Boise State, Fresno State and San Deigo State are better adds than adding Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.

They really aren't even close to better adds. 4 AAU schools, 4 big time schools,a high level basketball school in Arizona, a high level football school in Utah, major rivalries, and solidification of the conference.

Terrible football schools, tv ratings for them stinks, they are have beens schools not worth the add except for Utah. The leadership of the four schools are against moving to the Big Stinky 12 according to them.

(03-09-2023 01:02 PM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:38 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:32 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  Lessssgo!

“ It may not stop with the entertainment aspect. Yormark continues to pursue the Pac-12's Four Corners schools: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah. There have been "weekly" conversations between the Big 12 and those four programs as talks have heated up, one league insider tells CBS Sports.”

"That, to me, is the one we have to get," Self said of Arizona.

"I've always thought the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah are a natural fit for us," Kansas State coach Jerome Tang said. "Who doesn't want to visit Arizona?"

As everyone in Morgantown and Orlando start thinking about the ACC.

I think those teams have likely bought in to the vision of being a national conference at this point and know what they are getting in to.

I have no idea if they would still rather be in the ACC, but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe they have, but I do know WVU has always wanted in the ACC especially after the BE split up and Pitt, BC, VPI and Syracuse joined.

(03-09-2023 01:14 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:02 PM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:38 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:32 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  Lessssgo!

“ It may not stop with the entertainment aspect. Yormark continues to pursue the Pac-12's Four Corners schools: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah. There have been "weekly" conversations between the Big 12 and those four programs as talks have heated up, one league insider tells CBS Sports.”

"That, to me, is the one we have to get," Self said of Arizona.

"I've always thought the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah are a natural fit for us," Kansas State coach Jerome Tang said. "Who doesn't want to visit Arizona?"

As everyone in Morgantown and Orlando start thinking about the ACC.

I think those teams have likely bought in to the vision of being a national conference at this point and know what they are getting in to.

I have no idea if they would still rather be in the ACC, but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe they have, but I do know WVU has always wanted in the ACC especially after the BE split up and Pitt, BC, VPI and Syracuse joined.

Counterpoint, there's a decent chance that Pitt and Cuse might be available for the Big 12 to add once the BIG and SEC go on their feeding frenzy.

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

Even with those adds, the Big 12 is still behind the ACC.

(03-09-2023 01:06 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  The most impactful statement of the article:

“Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving.”

And the thing is if Yormark can even just get one school to jump by itself, it will cause others to follow (as it would even further devalue the next PAC contract). On the flip-side no one school wants to be known as the school that led to the final nail to the PAC; thus, a grouping makes sense.

How much are Washington and Oregon willing to give to the B1G in order to get an invitation? 50% payouts? 25% payouts? I'd wager there'd be strong desperation from those schools (to a lesser extent - Stanford and California).

(03-09-2023 01:23 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:06 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  The most impactful statement of the article:

“Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving.”

And the thing is if Yormark can even just get one school to jump by itself, it will cause others to follow (as it would even further devalue the next PAC contract). On the flip-side no one school wants to be known as the school that led to the final nail to the PAC; thus, a grouping makes sense.

How much are Washington and Oregon willing to give to the B1G in order to get an invitation? 50% payouts? 25% payouts? I'd wager there'd be strong desperation from those schools (to a lesser extent - Stanford and California).

It is going be years before Big 10 send invites. Same with SEC.

(03-09-2023 01:17 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:14 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:02 PM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:38 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:32 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  Lessssgo!

“ It may not stop with the entertainment aspect. Yormark continues to pursue the Pac-12's Four Corners schools: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah. There have been "weekly" conversations between the Big 12 and those four programs as talks have heated up, one league insider tells CBS Sports.”

"That, to me, is the one we have to get," Self said of Arizona.

"I've always thought the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah are a natural fit for us," Kansas State coach Jerome Tang said. "Who doesn't want to visit Arizona?"

As everyone in Morgantown and Orlando start thinking about the ACC.

I think those teams have likely bought in to the vision of being a national conference at this point and know what they are getting in to.

I have no idea if they would still rather be in the ACC, but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe they have, but I do know WVU has always wanted in the ACC especially after the BE split up and Pitt, BC, VPI and Syracuse joined.

Counterpoint, there's a decent chance that Pitt and Cuse might be available for the Big 12 to add once the BIG and SEC go on their feeding frenzy.

This. After the 4C and Gonzaga (?) I bet we hear Yormark start talking about needing to be in the east. Pitt/Syracuse/NC State and even Louisville would make a 20 team basketball conference crazy. The Elite 8 of the conference championship will be must watch. Kansas/Arizona/Gonzaga/Baylor/Syracuse/Pitt/NC State/Louisville. Crazy.

(03-09-2023 01:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:09 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Adding better quality football schools like Air Force, Boise State, Fresno State and San Deigo State are better adds than adding Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.

They really aren't even close to better adds. 4 AAU schools, 4 big time schools,a high level basketball school in Arizona, a high level football school in Utah, major rivalries, and solidification of the conference.

Terrible football schools, tv ratings for them stinks, they are have beens schools not worth the add except for Utah. The leadership of the four schools are against moving to the Big Stinky 12 according to them.

There will likely come a day, maybe very soon, when the "Big Stinky 12" smells a whole lot more like Chanel No. 5 to quite a few schools currently in the PAC and ACC...

(03-09-2023 12:50 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:44 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:32 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  Lessssgo!

“ It may not stop with the entertainment aspect. Yormark continues to pursue the Pac-12's Four Corners schools: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah. There have been "weekly" conversations between the Big 12 and those four programs as talks have heated up, one league insider tells CBS Sports.”

"That, to me, is the one we have to get," Self said of Arizona.

"I've always thought the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah are a natural fit for us," Kansas State coach Jerome Tang said. "Who doesn't want to visit Arizona?"

Wild that active coaches would go on the record like that talking about potential additions from the PAC.

To me, that means it’s happening. Coaches wouldn’t publicly go on the record with those comments.

This makes sense. Option 2 is Yormark "unleashed the dogs" and said to be more aggressive when asked.

(03-09-2023 01:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

Even with those adds, the Big 12 is still behind the ACC.

Not when there’s multiple members of the ACC that are publicly announcing their intentions to get out of that conference. B12 is stable, ACC going to get ripped apart in a few years and everyone knows it. And after it gets ripped apart, no one is going to want to stay in the ACC that doesn’t have Clemson, FSU, UNC, and UVA in it.

(03-09-2023 01:32 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

Even with those adds, the Big 12 is still behind the ACC.

Not when there’s multiple members of the ACC that are publicly announcing their intentions to get out of that conference. B12 is stable, ACC going to get ripped apart in a few years and everyone knows it. And after it gets ripped apart, no one is going to want to stay in the ACC that doesn’t have Clemson, FSU, UNC, and UVA in it.

Do you happen to have links to the official statements about any of those schools intending to leave the ACC?

(03-09-2023 01:31 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:50 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:44 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:32 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  Lessssgo!

“ It may not stop with the entertainment aspect. Yormark continues to pursue the Pac-12's Four Corners schools: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah. There have been "weekly" conversations between the Big 12 and those four programs as talks have heated up, one league insider tells CBS Sports.”

"That, to me, is the one we have to get," Self said of Arizona.

"I've always thought the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah are a natural fit for us," Kansas State coach Jerome Tang said. "Who doesn't want to visit Arizona?"

Wild that active coaches would go on the record like that talking about potential additions from the PAC.

To me, that means it’s happening. Coaches wouldn’t publicly go on the record with those comments.

This makes sense. Option 2 is Yormark "unleashed the dogs" and said to be more aggressive when asked.

Yormark seems like the kind of guy you'd want to get a drink with

"...Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving.

"The damn breaking, in a sense," one source said.

As is confidence in the Pac-12 getting a new media rights deal that will keep the 10 schools together...."

Curious as to whether those sources were media company execs, ADs or simply someone like a journalist at SBJ or the Athletic.

(03-09-2023 01:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:32 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

Even with those adds, the Big 12 is still behind the ACC.

Not when there’s multiple members of the ACC that are publicly announcing their intentions to get out of that conference. B12 is stable, ACC going to get ripped apart in a few years and everyone knows it. And after it gets ripped apart, no one is going to want to stay in the ACC that doesn’t have Clemson, FSU, UNC, and UVA in it.

Do you happen to have links to the official statements about any of those schools intending to leave the ACC?

When has any school released a statement that they are about to leave the conference, until they actually do? Don’t be dumb.

FSU, Clemson, Miami, and even your school, UNC, have publically voiced their unhappiness with the current situation.

No school is going to publicly announce that they are going to leave at the first opportunity. It may not happen for a while, but the demise is inevitable.

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

No way they'd have the votes as additions right now. It would have to be a heavily negotiated backfill move. The ACC is stuck/standing pat/etc.