A thread here on February 11 cited the Monty Show saying the P12 wanted a Boise/Gonzaga combo. That has never been corroborated by a single source.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-965018.html

In that same thread, the Monty Show claims USC torpedoed expansion. Yet we know from the Athletic that expansiom was outvoted 8-4.

I’m sure if you keep going through Monty Show threads, you’ll find instances of them being wrong.

(03-25-2023 09:04 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't comment much on realignment issues but have read much of this thread & most of the media reports. The single issue that will determine the actual PAC media deal is GOR. For every rumor that the $$ will be close to the B12 compared to or equal the B12, there is nothing definitively included about a GOR contingency to achieve that total. Remember the B12 HAS a strong GOR in place & it is virtually certain that at least Washington & Oregon are unwilling to sign up to a solid GOR due to their B1G aspirations (& the PAC has historically never had a GOR). So the media accounts seem to flipflop between the $$ are close to the B12, to there are "details yet to be worked out". IMO, that screams that the $$ are only offered with a strong GOR & without a strong GOR the $$ are substantially short. In hopes to get a B12 type deal, PAC presidents are publicly stating they desire to stay together in hopes it will satisfy contractual requirements for a strong GOR that they can't get from all current members. So it's negotiate with media & then negotiate with conference members. But unfortunately there seems to be NO common ground on which to get a deal done that is comparable to the B12 deal without a strong GOR that some PAC schools will not sign.

It's an issue for sure, but dependent upon whether a B1G invite 'to apply' is imminent for UO/UW when B1G gets new commissioner in April. If not, no reason UO/UW don't agree to a GOR for 5 yrs or so.

When the B1G expanded w/ Nebraska, it was ahead of B1Gs preferred timeline b/c Texas was requesting that schools commit to Big 12 loyalty. Nebraska's president informed Delaney that if it was going to happen it had to happen before their next board of regents meeting (basically, they needed to know w/in a week). Initially, Nebraska wasn't top of B1Gs list, but had impressed w/ an early presentation and became the early frontrunner in what the B1G intended to be a thorough process. If UO/UW are put on the spot to sign a GOR, no doubt they will want final word from B1G before they are willing to sign.

(03-25-2023 09:07 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  A thread here on February 11 cited the Monty Show saying the P12 wanted a Boise/Gonzaga combo. That has never been corroborated by a single source.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-965018.html

In that same thread, the Monty Show claims USC torpedoed expansion. Yet we know from the Athletic that expansiom was outvoted 8-4.

I’m sure if you keep going through Monty Show threads, you’ll find instances of them being wrong.

IDK about Gonzaga, but it's clear that the PAC wants no part of Boise.

Whether it's true or not, the theory about USC torpedoing expansion is that USC swayed the votes of other schools that otherwise might have supported expansion. The theory isn't that expansion would have lost 7-5 if USC had voted in favor of it, and that would have made such a huge difference.

(03-25-2023 09:07 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  A thread here on February 11 cited the Monty Show saying the P12 wanted a Boise/Gonzaga combo. That has never been corroborated by a single source.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-965018.html

In that same thread, the Monty Show claims USC torpedoed expansion. Yet we know from the Athletic that expansiom was outvoted 8-4.

I’m sure if you keep going through Monty Show threads, you’ll find instances of them being wrong.

Gonzaga was never reported as a Pac12 candidate by anyone else but Monty??? )https://superwestsports.com/canzano-gonz...-decision/) (https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/f...t-for-the/) (https://www.denverpost.com/2023/02/18/pa...s-approve/)

I think what you are saying is that Monty claims to have an inside source that said the PAc12 unofficially reached out and Gonzaga said NO and that is what hasn't been reported by others. Because of this you have a hard time believing what he reports.


Now their have been reports that USC President led the charge on "shutting down" potential Pac-12 expansion (from Big12 mbrs) plans last year. It appears that USC found three other schools to vote NO with them.

Link
https://www.aol.com/news/usc-president-c...33365.html

(03-25-2023 01:14 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 09:07 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  A thread here on February 11 cited the Monty Show saying the P12 wanted a Boise/Gonzaga combo. That has never been corroborated by a single source.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-965018.html

In that same thread, the Monty Show claims USC torpedoed expansion. Yet we know from the Athletic that expansiom was outvoted 8-4.

I’m sure if you keep going through Monty Show threads, you’ll find instances of them being wrong.

Gonzaga was never reported as a Pac12 candidate by anyone else but Monty??? )https://superwestsports.com/canzano-gonz...-decision/) (https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/f...t-for-the/) (https://www.denverpost.com/2023/02/18/pa...s-approve/)

I think what you are saying is that Monty claims to have an inside source that said the PAc12 unofficially reached out and Gonzaga said NO and that is what hasn't been reported by others. Because of this you have a hard time believing what he reports.


Now their have been reports that USC President led the charge on "shutting down" potential Pac-12 expansion (from Big12 mbrs) plans last year. It appears that USC found three other schools to vote NO with them.

Link
https://www.aol.com/news/usc-president-c...33365.html

For one - the Monty Show said the PAC-12 wanted a Boise/Gonzaga combo, reached out to Gonzaga and Gonzaga said no. That has never been corroborated by anyone. None of the links provided are relevant to that.

For two - not a single one of those 3 links said the PAC-12 wanted to add Gonzaga. Those 3 articles were opinion pieces where the author pondered Gonzaga’s candidacy. Even if Gonzaga was a candidate, that does nothing to prove the claim “the PAC-12 reached out and Gonzaga stated no”

For three - USC was one of 8 schools that voted against expansion 8-4, as reported by The Athletic. They didn’t “find three other schools to vote no with them” because they were one of EIGHT schools.

There were plenty of pieces that said Gonzaga had talked to the Pac.

(03-25-2023 07:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were plenty of pieces that said Gonzaga had talked to the Pac.

Which is entirely different than "the PAC-12 wanted Boise/Gonzaga, reached out to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga said no".

Let's not be obtuse.

(03-25-2023 07:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were plenty of pieces that said Gonzaga had talked to the Pac.

Which is entirely different than "the PAC-12 wanted Boise/Gonzaga, reached out to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga said no".

Let's not be obtuse.

Speak for yourself.

(03-25-2023 07:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were plenty of pieces that said Gonzaga had talked to the Pac.

Which is entirely different than "the PAC-12 wanted Boise/Gonzaga, reached out to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga said no".

Let's not be obtuse.

Interesting that there is so much hate for Monty. I wonder why people are still listening to Wilner & Cazano?

Thank you for the 8-4 USC found 7 other schools. So would you say that the USC President didn't lead in shutting down the expansion talks last year?

(03-26-2023 07:32 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were plenty of pieces that said Gonzaga had talked to the Pac.

Which is entirely different than "the PAC-12 wanted Boise/Gonzaga, reached out to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga said no".

Let's not be obtuse.

Interesting that there is so much hate for Monty. I wonder why people are still listening to Wilner & Cazano?

Thank you for the 8-4 USC found 7 other schools. So would you say that the USC President didn't lead in shutting down the expansion talks last year?

The Pac 12 fans are really emotional. So are a lot of non-Pac fans. Think some of them feel jilted by the Big 12. Its really weird how hostile they get to even the possibility of things not working out for the Pac. They also hate Jason Scheer who has been perfectly reasonable and definitely has not been making stuff up. Same for Dennis Dodd.

(03-26-2023 07:32 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were plenty of pieces that said Gonzaga had talked to the Pac.

Which is entirely different than "the PAC-12 wanted Boise/Gonzaga, reached out to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga said no".

Let's not be obtuse.

Interesting that there is so much hate for Monty. I wonder why people are still listening to Wilner & Cazano?

Thank you for the 8-4 USC found 7 other schools. So would you say that the USC President didn't lead in shutting down the expansion talks last year?

Wilner quite literally broke the biggest realignment story arguably ever: USC and UCLA moving to the B1G.

How can someone logically equate the credibility of the Monty’s Show with Wilner.

(03-26-2023 10:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 07:32 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were plenty of pieces that said Gonzaga had talked to the Pac.

Which is entirely different than "the PAC-12 wanted Boise/Gonzaga, reached out to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga said no".

Let's not be obtuse.

Interesting that there is so much hate for Monty. I wonder why people are still listening to Wilner & Cazano?

Thank you for the 8-4 USC found 7 other schools. So would you say that the USC President didn't lead in shutting down the expansion talks last year?

The Pac 12 fans are really emotional. So are a lot of non-Pac fans. Think some of them feel jilted by the Big 12. Its really weird how hostile they get to even the possibility of things not working out for the Pac. They also hate Jason Scheer who has been perfectly reasonable and definitely has not been making stuff up. Same for Dennis Dodd.

Posters like e-parade and I have no investment in the outcome and have nothing to feel “jilted by”. Our interest is in accurate information.

When a self-proclaimed source reports things like “the PAC-12 wanted a Boise/Gonzaga combo but was turned down by Gonzaga”, yet that same source gets plastered on this site like a tsunami, that’s when posters like us are intervening. Everyone here should know how to critically evaluate sources for credibility.

Wilner broke the USC/UCLA story. That gives him credibility in that he could break another big one. There is no world where the credibility of the Monty’s Show should be equated with the guy who freakin’ broke USC/UCLA.

(03-26-2023 10:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 07:32 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were plenty of pieces that said Gonzaga had talked to the Pac.

Which is entirely different than "the PAC-12 wanted Boise/Gonzaga, reached out to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga said no".

Let's not be obtuse.

Interesting that there is so much hate for Monty. I wonder why people are still listening to Wilner & Cazano?

Thank you for the 8-4 USC found 7 other schools. So would you say that the USC President didn't lead in shutting down the expansion talks last year?

The Pac 12 fans are really emotional. So are a lot of non-Pac fans. Think some of them feel jilted by the Big 12. Its really weird how hostile they get to even the possibility of things not working out for the Pac. They also hate Jason Scheer who has been perfectly reasonable and definitely has not been making stuff up. Same for Dennis Dodd.

Dennis Dodd?

(03-26-2023 11:11 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 10:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 07:32 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were plenty of pieces that said Gonzaga had talked to the Pac.

Which is entirely different than "the PAC-12 wanted Boise/Gonzaga, reached out to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga said no".

Let's not be obtuse.

Interesting that there is so much hate for Monty. I wonder why people are still listening to Wilner & Cazano?

Thank you for the 8-4 USC found 7 other schools. So would you say that the USC President didn't lead in shutting down the expansion talks last year?

The Pac 12 fans are really emotional. So are a lot of non-Pac fans. Think some of them feel jilted by the Big 12. Its really weird how hostile they get to even the possibility of things not working out for the Pac. They also hate Jason Scheer who has been perfectly reasonable and definitely has not been making stuff up. Same for Dennis Dodd.

Posters like e-parade and I have no investment in the outcome and have nothing to feel “jilted by”. Our interest is in accurate information.

When a self-proclaimed source reports things like “the PAC-12 wanted a Boise/Gonzaga combo but was turned down by Gonzaga”, yet that same source gets plastered on this site like a tsunami, that’s when posters like us are intervening. Everyone here should know how to critically evaluate sources for credibility.

Wilner broke the USC/UCLA story. That gives him credibility in that he could break another big one. There is no world where the credibility of the Monty’s Show should be equated with the guy who freakin’ broke USC/UCLA.

Those same people who hate Monty love Canzano, who is a total joke. So its not about credibility. Its about a world view being challenged.

Wilner generally is very knowledgeable about the Pac. I've followed him for a long time. Very credible on Pac goings on. Pretty clueless outside of Pac. He said some pretty stupid stuff, buying the same nonsense Canzano was at first (Pac value, taking UCLA returning seriously, etc.), but he has gotten over the shock and is pretty reasonable now.

(03-26-2023 11:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 11:11 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 10:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 07:32 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Which is entirely different than "the PAC-12 wanted Boise/Gonzaga, reached out to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga said no".

Let's not be obtuse.

Interesting that there is so much hate for Monty. I wonder why people are still listening to Wilner & Cazano?

Thank you for the 8-4 USC found 7 other schools. So would you say that the USC President didn't lead in shutting down the expansion talks last year?

The Pac 12 fans are really emotional. So are a lot of non-Pac fans. Think some of them feel jilted by the Big 12. Its really weird how hostile they get to even the possibility of things not working out for the Pac. They also hate Jason Scheer who has been perfectly reasonable and definitely has not been making stuff up. Same for Dennis Dodd.

Posters like e-parade and I have no investment in the outcome and have nothing to feel “jilted by”. Our interest is in accurate information.

When a self-proclaimed source reports things like “the PAC-12 wanted a Boise/Gonzaga combo but was turned down by Gonzaga”, yet that same source gets plastered on this site like a tsunami, that’s when posters like us are intervening. Everyone here should know how to critically evaluate sources for credibility.

Wilner broke the USC/UCLA story. That gives him credibility in that he could break another big one. There is no world where the credibility of the Monty’s Show should be equated with the guy who freakin’ broke USC/UCLA.

Those same people who hate Monty love Canzano, who is a total joke. So its not about credibility. Its about a world view being challenged.

Wilner generally is very knowledgeable about the Pac. I've followed him for a long time. Very credible on Pac goings on. Pretty clueless outside of Pac. He said some pretty stupid stuff, buying the same nonsense Canzano was at first (Pac value, taking UCLA returning seriously, etc.), but he has gotten over the shock and is pretty reasonable now.

Read what Wilner said about the possibility of USC leaving PAC-12 all during early in 2022. He gave it no credence. He said it was very unlikely USC would leave PAC 12 until at least 2030. Someone called him up hours before it was announced officially Big Ten was formally handing out invitations to UCLA and USC so he tweeted it out and that is enough for some of you to think Wilner knows what is going on?

Monty is a goof ball. But Wilner is not much better. Don’t fool yourselves.

(03-25-2023 11:26 AM)gwelymernans Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 09:04 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't comment much on realignment issues but have read much of this thread & most of the media reports. The single issue that will determine the actual PAC media deal is GOR. For every rumor that the $$ will be close to the B12 compared to or equal the B12, there is nothing definitively included about a GOR contingency to achieve that total. Remember the B12 HAS a strong GOR in place & it is virtually certain that at least Washington & Oregon are unwilling to sign up to a solid GOR due to their B1G aspirations (& the PAC has historically never had a GOR). So the media accounts seem to flipflop between the $$ are close to the B12, to there are "details yet to be worked out". IMO, that screams that the $$ are only offered with a strong GOR & without a strong GOR the $$ are substantially short. In hopes to get a B12 type deal, PAC presidents are publicly stating they desire to stay together in hopes it will satisfy contractual requirements for a strong GOR that they can't get from all current members. So it's negotiate with media & then negotiate with conference members. But unfortunately there seems to be NO common ground on which to get a deal done that is comparable to the B12 deal without a strong GOR that some PAC schools will not sign.

It's an issue for sure, but dependent upon whether a B1G invite 'to apply' is imminent for UO/UW when B1G gets new commissioner in April. If not, no reason UO/UW don't agree to a GOR for 5 yrs or so.

When the B1G expanded w/ Nebraska, it was ahead of B1Gs preferred timeline b/c Texas was requesting that schools commit to Big 12 loyalty. Nebraska's president informed Delaney that if it was going to happen it had to happen before their next board of regents meeting (basically, they needed to know w/in a week). Initially, Nebraska wasn't top of B1Gs list, but had impressed w/ an early presentation and became the early frontrunner in what the B1G intended to be a thorough process. If UO/UW are put on the spot to sign a GOR, no doubt they will want final word from B1G before they are willing to sign.

That "presentation" gets such rave reviews, but Nebraska was in the minute they expressed interest. Even the B1G couldn't fumble that one.

(03-26-2023 07:32 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 07:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were plenty of pieces that said Gonzaga had talked to the Pac.

Which is entirely different than "the PAC-12 wanted Boise/Gonzaga, reached out to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga said no".

Let's not be obtuse.

Interesting that there is so much hate for Monty. I wonder why people are still listening to Wilner & Cazano?

Thank you for the 8-4 USC found 7 other schools. So would you say that the USC President didn't lead in shutting down the expansion talks last year?

I don't see any hate for Monty here, just a healthy skepticism regarding stories that have been reported by Monty but not corroborated by anyone else. There are a few reporters we can trust with stories like that, but none of them have a 3 hr daily podcast that needs content to fill it.

(03-26-2023 11:31 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 11:26 AM)gwelymernans Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 09:04 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't comment much on realignment issues but have read much of this thread & most of the media reports. The single issue that will determine the actual PAC media deal is GOR. For every rumor that the $$ will be close to the B12 compared to or equal the B12, there is nothing definitively included about a GOR contingency to achieve that total. Remember the B12 HAS a strong GOR in place & it is virtually certain that at least Washington & Oregon are unwilling to sign up to a solid GOR due to their B1G aspirations (& the PAC has historically never had a GOR). So the media accounts seem to flipflop between the $$ are close to the B12, to there are "details yet to be worked out". IMO, that screams that the $$ are only offered with a strong GOR & without a strong GOR the $$ are substantially short. In hopes to get a B12 type deal, PAC presidents are publicly stating they desire to stay together in hopes it will satisfy contractual requirements for a strong GOR that they can't get from all current members. So it's negotiate with media & then negotiate with conference members. But unfortunately there seems to be NO common ground on which to get a deal done that is comparable to the B12 deal without a strong GOR that some PAC schools will not sign.

It's an issue for sure, but dependent upon whether a B1G invite 'to apply' is imminent for UO/UW when B1G gets new commissioner in April. If not, no reason UO/UW don't agree to a GOR for 5 yrs or so.

When the B1G expanded w/ Nebraska, it was ahead of B1Gs preferred timeline b/c Texas was requesting that schools commit to Big 12 loyalty. Nebraska's president informed Delaney that if it was going to happen it had to happen before their next board of regents meeting (basically, they needed to know w/in a week). Initially, Nebraska wasn't top of B1Gs list, but had impressed w/ an early presentation and became the early frontrunner in what the B1G intended to be a thorough process. If UO/UW are put on the spot to sign a GOR, no doubt they will want final word from B1G before they are willing to sign.

That "presentation" gets such rave reviews, but Nebraska was in the minute they expressed interest. Even the B1G couldn't fumble that one.

I dunno, that's the story NE and B1G sources give. I'd imagine the B1G got another no from ND, was looking for markets (probably MD or Cuse) and got caught off guard that a brand was available. Maybe that's what was impressive about the 'presentation', that NE actually wanted to join and wasn't just looking for leverage against B12.