(04-13-2023 06:36 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  A couple things. You notice Rick George didn't refute what Andrew Marchand said. Also, you can be sure that Brett McMurphy, who is sourced, is on top of this news as his retweeting George's post should make clear.

I'm anxious to see who ultimately will break the news that CU is returning to the Big 12, whether it be McMurphy, Thamel, Dodd, Olson, Dellenger or maybe Wilner. I'm not a betting man, but if I were, my money would be on McMurphy.

Brett was on a podcast a few years back with the Dude and MHVer3, so he does know exactly who MHVer3 is.

Sounds like his source wants to keep his job

(04-13-2023 09:38 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 10:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Amazing that George's tweet will now launch MHver3 into mainstream news.

I find it hard to believe they respond to MHVer3.

He isn't even a school 247 type like Jason Scheer or Chip Brown.

My guesses:

They don't have any kind of relationship with MHVer3, so they're not worried about burning a journalist that they might work with.

They're also being very careful about the denial -- *this Monday's* meeting isn't about jumping from the PAC 12 to the Big 12.

You want to pick a target you can outclass, and MHVer3 is a good target by that standard. The PAC-12 as a whole has a credibility problem at this point, because they've repeatedly gone out and said a deal was coming Real Soon Now, when it wasn't. If they come at a real journalist like Marchand or Dodds or McMurphy or whoever, that's a dispute between equals. My responding to a twitter clown, they get to "punch down," and generate the implication that all of the rumors about PAC instability are from clowns like MHVer3.

EDIT: And look how the story gets framed:
https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb...g-12-rumor
College football expansion update: Colorado responds to wild Big 12 rumor
Colorado is the latest school to be rumored for a move as college football continues its conference realignment process
STAFF1 HOUR AGO

Because they chose to take a shot at MHVer3, it's a "wild rumor."

(04-13-2023 09:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 09:38 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 10:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Amazing that George's tweet will now launch MHver3 into mainstream news.

I find it hard to believe they respond to MHVer3.

He isn't even a school 247 type like Jason Scheer or Chip Brown.

My guesses:

They don't have any kind of relationship with MHVer3, so they're not worried about burning a journalist that they might work with.

They're also being very careful about the denial -- *this Monday's* meeting isn't about jumping from the PAC 12 to the Big 12.

You want to pick a target you can outclass, and MHVer3 is a good target by that standard. The PAC-12 as a whole has a credibility problem at this point, because they've repeatedly gone out and said a deal was coming Real Soon Now, when it wasn't. If they come at a real journalist like Marchand or Dodds or McMurphy or whoever, that's a dispute between equals. My responding to a twitter clown, they get to "punch down," and generate the implication that all of the rumors about PAC instability are from clowns like MHVer3.

On the other hand, they give it more credibility, that it even deserves a response.

Its an executive board session. Nothing can be decided.

(04-13-2023 09:40 AM)Boots Wrote:  MHver3 I follow on Twitter....

Here is his marketing plan....

If I throw every possible realignment idea/scenario out, spaced out over a little time, and act like it comes from a inside source...I eventually will hit on something. Then my followers will forget the 99% of what I said that didn't happen and remember the 1% that did.

I find it comical that even if someone had a connection/friend inside an athletic program or conference that.....that person would be calling his buddy and giving him a list of all the bullet point hot news. Ha.

90% of posters on this bonds know as much as he does.

But give him credit his consistently puts the BS out.

Exactly, but that's also why it is astounding that the AD of Colorado actually took time to respond to him on Twitter.

(04-13-2023 09:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 09:38 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 10:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Amazing that George's tweet will now launch MHver3 into mainstream news.

I find it hard to believe they respond to MHVer3.

He isn't even a school 247 type like Jason Scheer or Chip Brown.

My guesses:

They don't have any kind of relationship with MHVer3, so they're not worried about burning a journalist that they might work with.

They're also being very careful about the denial -- *this Monday's* meeting isn't about jumping from the PAC 12 to the Big 12.

You want to pick a target you can outclass, and MHVer3 is a good target by that standard. The PAC-12 as a whole has a credibility problem at this point, because they've repeatedly gone out and said a deal was coming Real Soon Now, when it wasn't. If they come at a real journalist like Marchand or Dodds or McMurphy or whoever, that's a dispute between equals. My responding to a twitter clown, they get to "punch down," and generate the implication that all of the rumors about PAC instability are from clowns like MHVer3.

Then I respect Mark Harlan a lot more because at least he had balls to quote tweet a journalist from a major network.

Notice that was received a lot better than this response has been.

Mark Harlan made everyone pause momentarily and reevaluate.

Rick George has become a laughing stock today.

(04-13-2023 09:30 AM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 09:11 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 08:09 AM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  Everyone gives MHver3 a hard time, but he has said a couple things that make me wonder if he does know someone, that knows someone, that knows someone who may actually know someone LoL.

Example, I am pretty sure he was the first to tweet about Yormark wanting to decouple and negotiate the basketball media contract separately next go around. It was a while after that I read from one of the mainstream journalists that exact same scenario is being thrown about.

He had also been reporting that BY has been meeting with Colorado and Arizona, which I believe, has now also been confirmed.

I'm just saying, the guy has thrown some stuff out there has been later verified to be true. It's enough to make me cautious about calling him a liar and trash. I am very unsure of what I think about him to be honest.

Yormark hasn't decoupled basketball from football in the media deal. We renewed the existing structure with FOX/ESPN. Saying MHver3 confirmed something that hasn't actually happened is exactly the crux of the problem.

I clearly stated next go around, which would be 2031ish? I realize the BIGXII renewed the existing deal this last time.

I'm not going looking for the article that came out afterwards that confirmed that Yormark maybe aiming to do just that. But it is out there somewhere.

MHver3 could be a lunatic, I have no idea. I am just saying he has said a couple things that caught my attention.

I get what your saying. He says a lot of crap and nothing comes of most of it, but sometimes he hits on something fairly specific. your example is one I noticed. I also know he was the first person I saw say that the big 12 would extend their current deal early with same escalators and a pro rata. I think he was wrong on keeping tier 3 rights, but that is a gray area as I do believe I have seen some recent information that big 12 teams reserve rights to 1 game, but I'm not sure. But he called it early, and it got my attention.

It seems like he is mainly a rumor aggregator, but he must of dug deep to find that one somewhere, because I didn't see anyone talking about that before he mentioned it. In fact the prevailing thought at the time was that going to market would get them more money.

I also believe he is the first person I saw say anything about Big 12 going after Big East teams. So far nothing came of that, but if something happens on that front. I think I have to give him props for mentioning it first. Or at least it would be heck of a lucky guess.

(04-13-2023 12:48 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  They say choose your enemy wisely. By choosing to identify the "noise" makers as the kookiest of the social media posters, the Pac-12 discredits the mainstream commentators by piling them in with the nut cases, and never actually engaging with the Dodd's and such out there. It's SOP in political campaigns, marketing 101 stuff.

(04-13-2023 09:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  You want to pick a target you can outclass, and MHVer3 is a good target by that standard. The PAC-12 as a whole has a credibility problem at this point, because they've repeatedly gone out and said a deal was coming Real Soon Now, when it wasn't. If they come at a real journalist like Marchand or Dodds or McMurphy or whoever, that's a dispute between equals. My responding to a twitter clown, they get to "punch down," and generate the implication that all of the rumors about PAC instability are from clowns like MHVer3.

Yep, you see "choose your enemy wisely" in the real world, social world, corporate world, etc. all the time. It reminds me of social groups in college or work where people who were really mad at each other covered it by redirecting that anger at someone lower on the social/corporate totem pole. They have nothing to lose by making an example of someone on the outskirts, but an implosion would've been nuclear if they directed it at their real (unstated) target.

(04-13-2023 09:37 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 08:44 AM)esayem Wrote:  I wish some of the fanbois here could see themselves from an impartial perspective. The Pac could sign a new media deal with a GOR and they’d find ways to declare an imminent move to the Big XII!


I think it’s pretty obvious Oregon and Washington are waiting for the new Big Ten commish to get settled in hopes he can convince the presidents to invite them. Meanwhile, OU/UW are exploring deals with the Pac as contingency plans. All the while the Big XII fanbois trumpet around with pitchforks and torches lol

fanbois: you should be directing your efforts and cheering for Big Ten expansion, because that’s the only way you get any new schools that are break even anyway. Comedy gold

We didn't force Kliavkoff to say he might be shopping in the Big 12.

We didn't force PAC to leak to Wilner that PAC12 expects to beat the Big 12 deal.

We didn't force the PAC Presidents to go on the record about a media deal deadline and then retract those statements.

Who forced them to say all those things?

Self awareness is the first step to recovery. I commend you for that!

(04-13-2023 09:47 AM)bearcat1970 Wrote:  Sounds like his source wants to keep his job

I believe you were his source.

(04-13-2023 08:44 AM)esayem Wrote:  I wish some of the fanbois here could see themselves from an impartial perspective. The Pac could sign a new media deal with a GOR and they’d find ways to declare an imminent move to the Big XII!


I think it’s pretty obvious Oregon and Washington are waiting for the new Big Ten commish to get settled in hopes he can convince the presidents to invite them. Meanwhile, OU/UW are exploring deals with the Pac as contingency plans. All the while the Big XII fanbois trumpet around with pitchforks and torches lol

fanbois: you should be directing your efforts and cheering for Big Ten expansion, because that’s the only way you get any new schools that are break even anyway. Comedy gold

The actual comedy gold is that you think you are looking at this from an "impartial perspective". You have a clear anti Big 12 bias. You dismiss all the smoke around Pac 12 schools interest in the Big 12 as "fanbois" chatter despite it constantly being in the news from reputable college football reporters.

It may end up being true that no Pac schools jump to the Big 12, but don't pretend like there is no chance, and Big 12 fans are delusional for thinking it may happen.

Facts:

1. There are tons of reports from reputable sources saying the Pac 12 search for a media deal is not going well (and dragging on)
2. Confirmed that Pac university presidents have been having meetings with Yormark
3. Big 12 basically knows what they can offer from a media rights perspective
4. We don't know at this point if the Pac 12 will be able match that amount or even get close
5. There have been stories written about Pac schools interest in Big 12 by most major sports journals. Apparently the Big 12 has an awful lot of Fan Bois out there.
6. The current speculation you are in this thread deriding as delusional fanboi stuff started because sports columnist Andrew Marchand (another Big 12 Fan Boi?) mentioned a couple times recently to "Watch Colorado".

Edit: I agree there is a lot of noise out there. The speculation is wild, there are internet folks spewing guesses and hot takes for clicks, but when you filter all that out, the remaining facts support that it is at least a possibility that Pac schools could end up in the Big 12.

(04-13-2023 09:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 09:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 09:38 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 10:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Amazing that George's tweet will now launch MHver3 into mainstream news.

I find it hard to believe they respond to MHVer3.

He isn't even a school 247 type like Jason Scheer or Chip Brown.

My guesses:

They don't have any kind of relationship with MHVer3, so they're not worried about burning a journalist that they might work with.

They're also being very careful about the denial -- *this Monday's* meeting isn't about jumping from the PAC 12 to the Big 12.

You want to pick a target you can outclass, and MHVer3 is a good target by that standard. The PAC-12 as a whole has a credibility problem at this point, because they've repeatedly gone out and said a deal was coming Real Soon Now, when it wasn't. If they come at a real journalist like Marchand or Dodds or McMurphy or whoever, that's a dispute between equals. My responding to a twitter clown, they get to "punch down," and generate the implication that all of the rumors about PAC instability are from clowns like MHVer3.

Then I respect Mark Harlan a lot more because at least he had balls to quote tweet a journalist from a major network.

Notice that was received a lot better than this response has been.

Mark Harlan made everyone pause momentarily and reevaluate.

Rick George has become a laughing stock today.

Harlan was also tweeting a month ago.

George is a laughing stock because the PAC still doesn't have a deal, and there's a pretty good chance that he'll have to eat those words when Colorado joins the Big 12. (Or misses the boat and someone else gets their spot).

I guess it's not a big deal which journalist the AD responds to. The problem isn't on twitter, the problem is in the ESPN and PAC 12 and Apple Sports offices.

(04-13-2023 09:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 09:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 09:38 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2023 10:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Amazing that George's tweet will now launch MHver3 into mainstream news.

I find it hard to believe they respond to MHVer3.

He isn't even a school 247 type like Jason Scheer or Chip Brown.

My guesses:

They don't have any kind of relationship with MHVer3, so they're not worried about burning a journalist that they might work with.

They're also being very careful about the denial -- *this Monday's* meeting isn't about jumping from the PAC 12 to the Big 12.

You want to pick a target you can outclass, and MHVer3 is a good target by that standard. The PAC-12 as a whole has a credibility problem at this point, because they've repeatedly gone out and said a deal was coming Real Soon Now, when it wasn't. If they come at a real journalist like Marchand or Dodds or McMurphy or whoever, that's a dispute between equals. My responding to a twitter clown, they get to "punch down," and generate the implication that all of the rumors about PAC instability are from clowns like MHVer3.

Then I respect Mark Harlan a lot more because at least he had balls to quote tweet a journalist from a major network.

Notice that was received a lot better than this response has been.

Mark Harlan made everyone pause momentarily and reevaluate.

Rick George has become a laughing stock today.

Actually, I thought Harlan looked like an unprofessional jerk. It was kind of par for the course for twitter, childish trash talking.

(04-13-2023 10:21 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 08:44 AM)esayem Wrote:  I wish some of the fanbois here could see themselves from an impartial perspective. The Pac could sign a new media deal with a GOR and they’d find ways to declare an imminent move to the Big XII!


I think it’s pretty obvious Oregon and Washington are waiting for the new Big Ten commish to get settled in hopes he can convince the presidents to invite them. Meanwhile, OU/UW are exploring deals with the Pac as contingency plans. All the while the Big XII fanbois trumpet around with pitchforks and torches lol

fanbois: you should be directing your efforts and cheering for Big Ten expansion, because that’s the only way you get any new schools that are break even anyway. Comedy gold

The actual comedy gold is that you think you are looking at this from an "impartial perspective". You have a clear anti Big 12 bias. You dismiss all the smoke around Pac 12 schools interest in the Big 12 as "fanbois" chatter despite it constantly being in the news from reputable college football reporters.

It may end up being true that no Pac schools jump to the Big 12, but don't pretend like there is no chance, and Big 12 fans are delusional for thinking it may happen.

Facts:

1. There are tons of reports from reputable sources saying the Pac 12 search for a media deal is not going well (and dragging on)
2. Confirmed that Pac university presidents have been having meetings with Yormark
3. Big 12 basically knows what they can offer from a media rights perspective
4. We don't know at this point if the Pac 12 will be able match that amount or even get close
5. There have been stories written about Pac schools interest in Big 12 by most major sports journals. Apparently the Big 12 has an awful lot of Fan Bois out there.
6. The current speculation you are in this thread deriding as delusional fanboi stuff started because sports columnist Andrew Marchand (another Big 12 Fan Boi?) mentioned a couple times recently to "Watch Colorado".

Edit: I agree there is a lot of noise out there. The speculation is wild, there are internet folks spewing guesses and hot takes for clicks, but when you filter all that out, the remaining facts support that it is at least a possibility that Pac schools could end up in the Big 12.

And even Wilner says it all falls apart if the Big 10 takes Washington and Oregon, which he expects to happen, but not before 2030.

(04-13-2023 10:21 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 08:44 AM)esayem Wrote:  I wish some of the fanbois here could see themselves from an impartial perspective. The Pac could sign a new media deal with a GOR and they’d find ways to declare an imminent move to the Big XII!


I think it’s pretty obvious Oregon and Washington are waiting for the new Big Ten commish to get settled in hopes he can convince the presidents to invite them. Meanwhile, OU/UW are exploring deals with the Pac as contingency plans. All the while the Big XII fanbois trumpet around with pitchforks and torches lol

fanbois: you should be directing your efforts and cheering for Big Ten expansion, because that’s the only way you get any new schools that are break even anyway. Comedy gold

The actual comedy gold is that you think you are looking at this from an "impartial perspective". You have a clear anti Big 12 bias. You dismiss all the smoke around Pac 12 schools interest in the Big 12 as "fanbois" chatter despite it constantly being in the news from reputable college football reporters.

It may end up being true that no Pac schools jump to the Big 12, but don't pretend like there is no chance, and Big 12 fans are delusional for thinking it may happen.

Facts:

1. There are tons of reports from reputable sources saying the Pac 12 search for a media deal is not going well (and dragging on)
2. Confirmed that Pac university presidents have been having meetings with Yormark
3. Big 12 basically knows what they can offer from a media rights perspective
4. We don't know at this point if the Pac 12 will be able match that amount or even get close
5. There have been stories written about Pac schools interest in Big 12 by most major sports journals. Apparently the Big 12 has an awful lot of Fan Bois out there.
6. The current speculation you are in this thread deriding as delusional fanboi stuff started because sports columnist Andrew Marchand (another Big 12 Fan Boi?) mentioned a couple times recently to "Watch Colorado".

Edit: I agree there is a lot of noise out there. The speculation is wild, there are internet folks spewing guesses and hot takes for clicks, but when you filter all that out, the remaining facts support that it is at least a possibility that Pac schools could end up in the Big 12.

Why would I have anti-Big XII bias? It literally affects me 0%.

It's not even the old guard Big XII fans making noise, it's the AAC replacement crew that says the same thing over and over in a different guise. First we got to hear all about the AAC poaching the Big XII (which I strongly said was NOT going to happen—defending the Big XII lol), now it's the Big XII poaching everyone and their mother. It's the same old song and dance by the inferiority complex crew. Sorry not sorry.

What I find most funny is the replacement crew is the very reason Big XII expansion hasn't already happened. The replacements collective value is so low that adding more schools isn't going to add a bump in pay. The Pac schools aren't going to sacrifice academic allegiances and West Coast presence for that.

Otherwise, you tell me why it hasn't happened. Why is there a holdup?

(04-13-2023 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 10:21 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(04-13-2023 08:44 AM)esayem Wrote:  I wish some of the fanbois here could see themselves from an impartial perspective. The Pac could sign a new media deal with a GOR and they’d find ways to declare an imminent move to the Big XII!


I think it’s pretty obvious Oregon and Washington are waiting for the new Big Ten commish to get settled in hopes he can convince the presidents to invite them. Meanwhile, OU/UW are exploring deals with the Pac as contingency plans. All the while the Big XII fanbois trumpet around with pitchforks and torches lol

fanbois: you should be directing your efforts and cheering for Big Ten expansion, because that’s the only way you get any new schools that are break even anyway. Comedy gold

The actual comedy gold is that you think you are looking at this from an "impartial perspective". You have a clear anti Big 12 bias. You dismiss all the smoke around Pac 12 schools interest in the Big 12 as "fanbois" chatter despite it constantly being in the news from reputable college football reporters.

It may end up being true that no Pac schools jump to the Big 12, but don't pretend like there is no chance, and Big 12 fans are delusional for thinking it may happen.

Facts:

1. There are tons of reports from reputable sources saying the Pac 12 search for a media deal is not going well (and dragging on)
2. Confirmed that Pac university presidents have been having meetings with Yormark
3. Big 12 basically knows what they can offer from a media rights perspective
4. We don't know at this point if the Pac 12 will be able match that amount or even get close
5. There have been stories written about Pac schools interest in Big 12 by most major sports journals. Apparently the Big 12 has an awful lot of Fan Bois out there.
6. The current speculation you are in this thread deriding as delusional fanboi stuff started because sports columnist Andrew Marchand (another Big 12 Fan Boi?) mentioned a couple times recently to "Watch Colorado".

Edit: I agree there is a lot of noise out there. The speculation is wild, there are internet folks spewing guesses and hot takes for clicks, but when you filter all that out, the remaining facts support that it is at least a possibility that Pac schools could end up in the Big 12.

Why would I have anti-Big XII bias? It literally affects me 0%.

It's not even the old guard Big XII fans making noise, it's the AAC replacement crew that says the same thing over and over in a different guise. First we got to hear all about the AAC poaching the Big XII (which I strongly said was NOT going to happen—defending the Big XII lol), now it's the Big XII poaching everyone and their mother. It's the same old song and dance by the inferiority complex crew. Sorry not sorry.

What I find most funny is the replacement crew is the very reason Big XII expansion hasn't already happened. The replacements collective value is so low that adding more schools isn't going to add a bump in pay. The Pac schools aren't going to sacrifice academic allegiances and West Coast presence for that.

Otherwise, you tell me why it hasn't happened. Why is there a holdup?

Because the Pac 12 schools don't WANT to go to the Big 12. They're holding out hope that Kliavkoff will pull a rabbit out of his hat and somehow get them a good-enough TV deal.

That's looking less and less likely. But sooner or later, as the months go by with no TV contract, the chances of someone out of the half-dozen PAC schools who the Big 12 would take immediately decides to take the sure thing of $30M a year in Big 12 money rather than get stuck in a PAC that crashes out of the power-conference ranks like the old Big East did.

I don't think you're right about the value of the replacements. If the Big 12 were sitting at 8 teams, but pulled a similar TV contract, I think the PAC schools would be just as reluctant to jump.

Yes, those fanbases are battle-scarred realignment message board veterans. They've been through the New Big East flamewars, the Aresco League vs C7 drama, the "P6" years. And now they've upgraded to the Big 12. This isn't their first realignment rodeo. They know a dying P5 league when they see it, from the inside or the outside.

EDIT: This is one of the rare occassions where it's not really about the inherent value of the league, it's actually about the performance of the commissioner. Yormark counted up the number of TV windows that Fox and ESPN had available, saw that they pretty much had room for either the Big 12 *or* the PAC, and he got those windows for his league.

Meanwhile the PAC "went to market", thinking that NBC and CBS and Apple and Amazon would drive up their price. That has not happened, and now they're screwed. Not because Baylor and Kansas State are any more valuable than ORegon and Arizona State, but because the Big 12 made the correct strategic decision and the PAC 12 made the wrong decisions for a long time.

Well put. The AAC and new Big 12 posters are always the loudest. P6 this, P6 that. UCF won a 2017 NC. The AAC is poaching the B12 and now the Big 12 is poaching the PAC.

None of that ever happened, has happened or will. Not until the B10 makes their move.

Delusional as ever.

Why is everyone passing around the McMurphy tweet that simply states what the Colorado AD tweet is? Why not just post the Colorado AD tweet without the McMurphy overlay?

Do people not realize that a primary source making a public statement is far, far more useful than a reporter claiming something based on anonymous sources? Did the last 7 years break everyone's brain?

(04-13-2023 11:02 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  Well put. The AAC and new Big 12 posters are always the loudest. P6 this, P6 that. UCF won a 2017 NC. The AAC is poaching the B12 and now the Big 12 is poaching the PAC.

None of that ever happened, has happened or will. Not until the B10 makes their move.

Delusional as ever.

Well, in this case we have pure facts. PAC does not have a media deal. this has gone on for months. It's no secret that they are having problems. Big 12 has a decent deal with the last few remaining slots for legacy OTA carriage. Sorry if you feel that those facts are delusional.

(04-13-2023 09:55 AM)RobUCF Wrote:  Exactly, but that's also why it is astounding that the AD of Colorado actually took time to respond to him on Twitter.

One low-key tweet to swat a mosquito.
So far the reaction by my count is:

2 'amazing'
1 'astounding'
1 'the mosquito lives!'
1 'the swatter is a laughing stock!'
1 'unbelievable'



No drama here, eh?