(04-28-2023 12:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. The consolidation "pause" button has been turned off. What does this do to the P12 media rights discussions and the ACC rumors of disgruntled members? I actually feel bad for Kliavkoff...

Actually I read that as a clear pause. So you won't see it this summer.

Beyond that, it remains to be seen.

Quote:The second thing I'll say is that as commissioner of the Big Ten, my job is to make sure the conference is as strong in the present and future as it's always been. And I'll just sort of leave it at that."

Oh, I wasn't intending my read on it as THIS SUMMER. There were some posts/threads that the B1G may be done for now - "if they wanted Oregon and Washington, et al, they would've been added already." If you look at that quote, especially the last sentence, it indicates to me a "wink-wink" that it is inevitable. How soon? No one can guess but the door is open and the clerk is sitting at the counter...

(04-28-2023 01:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. The consolidation "pause" button has been turned off. What does this do to the P12 media rights discussions and the ACC rumors of disgruntled members? I actually feel bad for Kliavkoff...

Actually I read that as a clear pause. So you won't see it this summer.

Beyond that, it remains to be seen.

Quote:The second thing I'll say is that as commissioner of the Big Ten, my job is to make sure the conference is as strong in the present and future as it's always been. And I'll just sort of leave it at that."

Oh, I wasn't intending my read on it as THIS SUMMER. There were some posts/threads that the B1G may be done for now - "if they wanted Oregon and Washington, et al, they would've been added already." If you look at that quote, especially the last sentence, it indicates to me a "wink-wink" that it is inevitable. How soon? No one can guess but the door is open and the clerk is sitting at the counter...

or the opposite of all that ....

(04-28-2023 01:58 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 01:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. The consolidation "pause" button has been turned off. What does this do to the P12 media rights discussions and the ACC rumors of disgruntled members? I actually feel bad for Kliavkoff...

Actually I read that as a clear pause. So you won't see it this summer.

Beyond that, it remains to be seen.

Quote:The second thing I'll say is that as commissioner of the Big Ten, my job is to make sure the conference is as strong in the present and future as it's always been. And I'll just sort of leave it at that."

Oh, I wasn't intending my read on it as THIS SUMMER. There were some posts/threads that the B1G may be done for now - "if they wanted Oregon and Washington, et al, they would've been added already." If you look at that quote, especially the last sentence, it indicates to me a "wink-wink" that it is inevitable. How soon? No one can guess but the door is open and the clerk is sitting at the counter...

or the opposite of all that ....

How is that the opposite? He pretty clearly says that expansion is at least "on" the list. He's thought about it and what it would take.

(04-28-2023 01:58 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

"There has to be some value added for expanding beyond."

Attn: ESPN/Amazon/Apple

"Maybe we could have something available if any of y'all are interested in paying up"

Why add that last sentence if you're not still fishing for another media rights partner?

(04-28-2023 02:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 01:58 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 01:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. The consolidation "pause" button has been turned off. What does this do to the P12 media rights discussions and the ACC rumors of disgruntled members? I actually feel bad for Kliavkoff...

Actually I read that as a clear pause. So you won't see it this summer.

Beyond that, it remains to be seen.

Quote:The second thing I'll say is that as commissioner of the Big Ten, my job is to make sure the conference is as strong in the present and future as it's always been. And I'll just sort of leave it at that."

Oh, I wasn't intending my read on it as THIS SUMMER. There were some posts/threads that the B1G may be done for now - "if they wanted Oregon and Washington, et al, they would've been added already." If you look at that quote, especially the last sentence, it indicates to me a "wink-wink" that it is inevitable. How soon? No one can guess but the door is open and the clerk is sitting at the counter...

or the opposite of all that ....

How is that the opposite? He pretty clearly says that expansion is at least "on" the list. He's thought about it and what it would take.

Once again, people interpret what they want to...

"It's not at the top of our list" (and similar statements) is typically taken to mean "don't count on it." The "at the moment" is the more interesting part, because that means it could change to being at the top of the list (or near it) later.

(04-28-2023 02:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  How is that the opposite? He pretty clearly says that expansion is at least "on" the list. He's thought about it and what it would take.

In that expansion is not a current agenda item for the B1G presidents and therefore Oregon and Washington to the B1G is very much not "inevitable."

The only league for which membership is not consistently "on the list" (meaning, discussed semi-regularly at the Presidential level) is the Ivy League.

(04-28-2023 01:58 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 01:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. The consolidation "pause" button has been turned off. What does this do to the P12 media rights discussions and the ACC rumors of disgruntled members? I actually feel bad for Kliavkoff...

Actually I read that as a clear pause. So you won't see it this summer.

Beyond that, it remains to be seen.

Quote:The second thing I'll say is that as commissioner of the Big Ten, my job is to make sure the conference is as strong in the present and future as it's always been. And I'll just sort of leave it at that."

Oh, I wasn't intending my read on it as THIS SUMMER. There were some posts/threads that the B1G may be done for now - "if they wanted Oregon and Washington, et al, they would've been added already." If you look at that quote, especially the last sentence, it indicates to me a "wink-wink" that it is inevitable. How soon? No one can guess but the door is open and the clerk is sitting at the counter...

or the opposite of all that ....

This brings up another thing to consider: again, where is the additional value located at? It's been discussed ad nauseum but I don't see how Oregon or Washington add any real value to the B10 as is. They might add some value with other groups of schools... but even then, do they add more value than Arizona or Arizona State?

Being that USC and UCLA are located in southern California, it seems to me that Arizona and Arizona State would make more sense to add next round. That would lock down the southwestern corner of the US and if paired with Colorado could make for a particularly nice group especially if they can finally convince Notre Dame to join in on the fun.

On this note, I think that the SEC, Big 12 an even the American have more options than the B10 does. It seems to me that the B10 might have to add some teams that don't add to the pie now in hopes that the investment will pay off in the future.

(04-28-2023 02:21 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 01:58 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 01:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. The consolidation "pause" button has been turned off. What does this do to the P12 media rights discussions and the ACC rumors of disgruntled members? I actually feel bad for Kliavkoff...

Actually I read that as a clear pause. So you won't see it this summer.

Beyond that, it remains to be seen.

Quote:The second thing I'll say is that as commissioner of the Big Ten, my job is to make sure the conference is as strong in the present and future as it's always been. And I'll just sort of leave it at that."

Oh, I wasn't intending my read on it as THIS SUMMER. There were some posts/threads that the B1G may be done for now - "if they wanted Oregon and Washington, et al, they would've been added already." If you look at that quote, especially the last sentence, it indicates to me a "wink-wink" that it is inevitable. How soon? No one can guess but the door is open and the clerk is sitting at the counter...

or the opposite of all that ....

This brings up another thing to consider: again, where is the additional value located at? It's been discussed ad nauseum but I don't see how Oregon or Washington add any real value to the B10 as is. They might add some value with other groups of schools... but even then, do they add more value than Arizona or Arizona State?

Being that USC and UCLA are located in southern California, it seems to me that Arizona and Arizona State would make more sense to add next round. That would lock down the southwestern corner of the US and if paired with Colorado could make for a particularly nice group especially if they can finally convince Notre Dame to join in on the fun.

On this note, I think that the SEC, Big 12 an even the American have more options than the B10 does. It seems to me that the B10 might have to add some teams that don't add to the pie now in hopes that the investment will pay off in the future.

Where is the additional value located at? Not in Arizona, maybe not out west at all, seems most of the added value left, are in the ACC.

(04-28-2023 02:30 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 02:21 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 01:58 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 01:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  Actually I read that as a clear pause. So you won't see it this summer.

Beyond that, it remains to be seen.

Quote:The second thing I'll say is that as commissioner of the Big Ten, my job is to make sure the conference is as strong in the present and future as it's always been. And I'll just sort of leave it at that."

Oh, I wasn't intending my read on it as THIS SUMMER. There were some posts/threads that the B1G may be done for now - "if they wanted Oregon and Washington, et al, they would've been added already." If you look at that quote, especially the last sentence, it indicates to me a "wink-wink" that it is inevitable. How soon? No one can guess but the door is open and the clerk is sitting at the counter...

or the opposite of all that ....

This brings up another thing to consider: again, where is the additional value located at? It's been discussed ad nauseum but I don't see how Oregon or Washington add any real value to the B10 as is. They might add some value with other groups of schools... but even then, do they add more value than Arizona or Arizona State?

Being that USC and UCLA are located in southern California, it seems to me that Arizona and Arizona State would make more sense to add next round. That would lock down the southwestern corner of the US and if paired with Colorado could make for a particularly nice group especially if they can finally convince Notre Dame to join in on the fun.

On this note, I think that the SEC, Big 12 an even the American have more options than the B10 does. It seems to me that the B10 might have to add some teams that don't add to the pie now in hopes that the investment will pay off in the future.

Where is the additional value located at? Not in Arizona, maybe not out west at all, seems most of the added value left, are in the ACC.

I've only been to AZ once (Scottsdale) and really don't know the area well but looking at demographics, it appears to be one of the Top 10 fastest growing states. If the B10 were to make in investment in the future, one could certainly do worse.

I think you have to ask what if "the proper integration of USC and UCLA" requires further expansion?

If that is "proper" way to integrate them, expansion could be almost immediate.

(04-28-2023 03:07 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think you have to ask what if "the proper integration of USC and UCLA" requires further expansion?

If that is "proper" way to integrate them, expansion could be almost immediate.

I kind of agree. Both schools will have to travel massive distances and yes, such travels can wear a man down (even a young one). There is also the expense to take into account; I'm sure that it will not be cheap.

(04-28-2023 02:21 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 01:58 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 01:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-28-2023 12:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  LOL. The consolidation "pause" button has been turned off. What does this do to the P12 media rights discussions and the ACC rumors of disgruntled members? I actually feel bad for Kliavkoff...

Actually I read that as a clear pause. So you won't see it this summer.

Beyond that, it remains to be seen.

Quote:The second thing I'll say is that as commissioner of the Big Ten, my job is to make sure the conference is as strong in the present and future as it's always been. And I'll just sort of leave it at that."

Oh, I wasn't intending my read on it as THIS SUMMER. There were some posts/threads that the B1G may be done for now - "if they wanted Oregon and Washington, et al, they would've been added already." If you look at that quote, especially the last sentence, it indicates to me a "wink-wink" that it is inevitable. How soon? No one can guess but the door is open and the clerk is sitting at the counter...

or the opposite of all that ....

This brings up another thing to consider: again, where is the additional value located at? It's been discussed ad nauseum but I don't see how Oregon or Washington add any real value to the B10 as is. They might add some value with other groups of schools... but even then, do they add more value than Arizona or Arizona State?

Being that USC and UCLA are located in southern California, it seems to me that Arizona and Arizona State would make more sense to add next round. That would lock down the southwestern corner of the US and if paired with Colorado could make for a particularly nice group especially if they can finally convince Notre Dame to join in on the fun.

On this note, I think that the SEC, Big 12 an even the American have more options than the B10 does. It seems to me that the B10 might have to add some teams that don't add to the pie now in hopes that the investment will pay off in the future.

Oregon and Washington are much more valuable as a package than Arizona and Arizona St.

Arizona has a population of 7.4 million and you need both schools to own the state.

Washington alone has 7.8 million and Oregon’s another 4.2 million and you don’t need a 2nd school to carry the two states. The PNW is higher in the pecking order than AZ.

I was actually *at* this press conference, and I gotta say, you guys are reading way, way too much into this.

Petetti isn't ruling out expansion in the future. It isn't an immediate action item...he said this *multiple* times in the presser, and Dr. Jones at Illinois reiterated it. The 'integration' of USC and UCLA is the most important near-term action item. There are no Big Ten schedules drawn up with both schools. The Big Ten hasn't figured out a physical real estate solution in LA. There are a ton of academic, IP and bylaw questions left unanswered. This stuff takes *time*.

Could the Big Ten expand again in the future? Sure, it's possible. There are massive, massive questions about the college athletics industry that will come into focus over the next 20 months, and how things go with the transition away from amateurism could change how Big Ten presidents feel about expanding. Is it something they're going to do before July? No.

(04-28-2023 03:38 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I was actually *at* this press conference, and I gotta say, you guys are reading way, way too much into this.

Petetti isn't ruling out expansion in the future. It isn't an immediate action item...he said this *multiple* times in the presser, and Dr. Jones at Illinois reiterated it. The 'integration' of USC and UCLA is the most important near-term action item. There are no Big Ten schedules drawn up with both schools. The Big Ten hasn't figured out a physical real estate solution in LA. There are a ton of academic, IP and bylaw questions left unanswered. This stuff takes *time*.

Could the Big Ten expand again in the future? Sure, it's possible. There are massive, massive questions about the college athletics industry that will come into focus over the next 20 months, and how things go with the transition away from amateurism could change how Big Ten presidents feel about expanding. Is it something they're going to do before July? No.

Always good to have a source here to clear things up like this.

This is basically how I was reading it, so I'm glad you confirmed it.

Obviously, Petitti was anticipating a question about realignment/expansion. What he said was quite predictable.

(04-28-2023 03:38 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I was actually *at* this press conference, and I gotta say, you guys are reading way, way too much into this.

Petetti isn't ruling out expansion in the future. It isn't an immediate action item...he said this *multiple* times in the presser, and Dr. Jones at Illinois reiterated it. The 'integration' of USC and UCLA is the most important near-term action item. There are no Big Ten schedules drawn up with both schools. The Big Ten hasn't figured out a physical real estate solution in LA. There are a ton of academic, IP and bylaw questions left unanswered. This stuff takes *time*.

Could the Big Ten expand again in the future? Sure, it's possible. There are massive, massive questions about the college athletics industry that will come into focus over the next 20 months, and how things go with the transition away from amateurism could change how Big Ten presidents feel about expanding. Is it something they're going to do before July? No.

I saw you on BTN asking your question at the press conference. Thanks for your input on the matter.

#LickingCounty

Pettiti's part starts at 13:45.

Have any of you actually read Nicole Auerbach’s article in The Athletic with her interview with Illinois Chancellor Robert Jones?

It doesn’t seem like any of you have actually read the article.

Robert Jones says Big Ten is doing a cost analysis on staying at 16 or adding members. Jones also said, “I’d be lying if I said we weren’t thinking about it” to the question of Big Ten expansion in near future.

People have to read beyond the tweet and actually read what was said in the interview.

(04-28-2023 05:06 PM)Outsider6 Wrote:  Have any of you actually read Nicole Auerbach’s article in The Athletic with her interview with Illinois Chancellor Robert Jones?

It doesn’t seem like any of you have actually read the article.

Robert Jones says Big Ten is doing a cost analysis on staying at 16 or adding members. Jones also said, “I’d be lying if I said we weren’t thinking about it” to the question of Big Ten expansion in near future.

People have to read beyond the tweet and actually read what was said in the interview.

https://youtu.be/vxMRnvKx7dk

Greg Flugaur just posted a video breaking down the article. Not a guarantee the B1G expands, but they're defintely gonna consider it. Also, sounds like the B1G is considering potential future teams as full members, would earn the same amount as existing members.

(04-28-2023 03:38 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I was actually *at* this press conference, and I gotta say, you guys are reading way, way too much into this.

Petetti isn't ruling out expansion in the future. It isn't an immediate action item...he said this *multiple* times in the presser, and Dr. Jones at Illinois reiterated it. The 'integration' of USC and UCLA is the most important near-term action item. There are no Big Ten schedules drawn up with both schools. The Big Ten hasn't figured out a physical real estate solution in LA. There are a ton of academic, IP and bylaw questions left unanswered. This stuff takes *time*.

Could the Big Ten expand again in the future? Sure, it's possible. There are massive, massive questions about the college athletics industry that will come into focus over the next 20 months, and how things go with the transition away from amateurism could change how Big Ten presidents feel about expanding. Is it something they're going to do before July? No.

So expansion in July. Thanks Matt.