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RE: Well this is weird? (Inflation report for April)
(06-01-2023 03:07 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 02:49 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It's not that CEO's "became more greedy" it's that in a lot of industries power is consolidated among a handful of firms. The entire point of capitalism is the pursuit of profit above all else. You have a global supply chain crisis that increases the costs for everyone, so yes that makes sense to lead to increased prices. In a market that was working efficiently you would expect those prices to rise to the level to make up for the increase in cost, maybe a little over that, but if they rose too much it would lower demand and they'd have to decrease price to get back to equilibrium. Instead you saw for example meat prices explode, and those companies profit margins rise to insane levels because for example 4 firms control 60% of the US poultry industry, 4 firms control 70% of the US cattle industry, etc, and because there's no real substitute people eat meat in this country demand didn't and couldn't crater to get prices back in line. You didn't see prices in industries with mass competition rise at nearly the same level, or their profit margins explode. TV's didn't double in price, computers didn't double in price, I didn't start paying 75% more for beer, yet industries without robust competition are where you saw the biggest explosion in prices. Monopolies bad, industry consolidation bad, competition good, break up these conglomorations.

Your points are valid but wrongfully placed in this topic:

We had steady inflation (roughly 3%) for four decades. What you are describing is corporatism, which is not capitalism. The barrier to entry in these industries are high which protects and monopolizes these companies. Both political parties support this various reasons. These things have been happening for DECADES though, so what has changed since 2021?

The administration was caught so flat-footed. They knew that demand was going to level out during 2021 as people began to behave like pre-COVID times. This took shape in late 2020/early 2021. The issue began with overall supply chain problems. Biden didn't even address this issue until July of 2021 calling it "temporary." It's been nearly two years and there are still supply chain problems here in the US. The only thing that helped was the CHIPS act which is more about security versus economics (but is beneficial to both).

One of my good friends sells eCommerce software. It basically enables a company to control their own supply chain through a SaaS product that automates repricing based off demand and market value. Every company is in business to make as much money as possible. Every industry - SMB and corporations, are in lockstep to increase whatever profit margin they can. It isn't like 10 dudes in white suits get together in midtown Manhattan and say "hey guys how can we price fix the market today?" Most of these online retailers are automated pricing that relies on AI to put pricing in-line with whatever demand wave is happening. I know you're talking more about Core CPI versus online/day to day but again, we've called oil/gas/food companies greedy for decades but only recently have they price gouged. There's more to it than that, government helped facilitate the market conditions that we are currently in.

Absolutely, Biden failed miserably on this. Biden sucks. I'm well aware that every company is in business to make as much money as possible and to expand their profit margin as much as possible. Through essentially having zero anti trust enforcement for like 40 years you've seen mass consolidation in many different important industries. I would actually lump oil/gas in as it's own separate thing as you have essentially a cartel in OPEC that has the ability to artificially manipulate supply in a way no other industry really can.

Absolutely government has helped facilitate the market conditions we are in. Obviously it's not as simple as just 1 thing they did, but allowing unchecked M&A's is certainly a big factor. Airline industry is a good place to look. After the 1978 deregulation act you did see a massive influx of new airlines forming, which is a really good thing for consumers. However, over time between those airlines failing and massive mergers especially in the early 00's including

2001: American Airlines-TWA Merger.
2005: America West-U.S. Airways Merger.
2008: Delta Air Lines- Northwest Airlines Merger.
2010: Southwest Airlines-AirTran Merger.
2010: United-Continental Merger.
2013: US Airways-American Airlines Merger.

You now have 4 airlines that control something like 80% of all US flights and does anyone seriously want to argue that's made things better for consumers? I think that is a cautionary tale that deregulation can facilitate growth and make things better, but if you just allow unchecked consolidation you end up right back where you started if not worse. You had 10 groups that controlled 90% of the regulated flights in the late 70's, and now you have 4 controlling nearly that much but without any control over routes/schedules/fares like their used to be.
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RE: Well this is weird? (Inflation report for April)
(06-01-2023 02:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 01:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 12:55 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 05:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Thats the big acchuaaally that the filth love to spew.

Its not retard democrat policies but corps making too much money.

Same BS. Different decade

Problem is that we predicted inflation as soon as the frickrn bidentard was elected.

I'm pretty certain you could be in favor of both limited government and strong anti-trust enforcement. I very much think you could be for limiting the influence of government on peoples lives and limiting corporate influence on peoples lives as well. You can be against government interference in the free market and be against unchecked monopoly power. Competition is good for consumers, monopolies and consolidation are bad for consumers. This country needs a Teddy Roosevelt right now in the worst way, I'd support that type of candidate from any party if they were serious about it.

funny ... I mentioned that exact thingy in '15 ... it turned into #henceDJT --->>> #DJTexperiment...

we know the end result of that guy now, Ja?!

#groverII is dead @longLiveTheSwamp

If they are a billionaire businessman, perhaps they work for the swamp? Do any of us know these guys other than through the media? No.

If we want to clean up the swamp we can do that 1 state at the time. Clean up the political machines within each state and elect people who work for the people and Washington's governance will change. It will take deliberate and painful action to eliminate the bureaucracies, but all of it starts at home. Make sure your Representatives and Senators are your people, not corporate transplant candidates. Make sure that Corporate Horse #1 isn't running against flawed and crippled Corporate Horse #2 to make sure who wins. There's a lot of that going on as well.

It is the only shot we have at voting out PAC money which is the key to taking the country back. It isn't a Red vs Blue or Republican vs Democratic issue. It is a Corporate Globalist takeover vs the freedom of all people issue. The differences we have with the left we can hash out in Congress if their people are their people and our people are our people. If corporate takeover is completed there will be no discussions for either side on any issue and anyone who pushes objections will simply disappear. It is how that system works. The Democrats are Americans I disagree with and can settle disputes with in dialogue. If we don't get the Corporate Multi Nationals out of our government we won't be allowed to disagree and we will no longer be Americans.

we've been adamant over the years about root cause/solutions ... however, I'll admit I never saw the Covid thingy coming ... that was the final straw for nuts zongo...

TBH, I'm tired of repeating myself ... it wasn't funny during my corpshite days ... it's much worse now...

@missedItByAdecadeForTheShiteToHitTheProverbial #'20became'30quicklike
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RE: Well this is weird? (Inflation report for April)
(06-01-2023 05:53 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 02:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 01:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 12:55 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 05:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Thats the big acchuaaally that the filth love to spew.

Its not retard democrat policies but corps making too much money.

Same BS. Different decade

Problem is that we predicted inflation as soon as the frickrn bidentard was elected.

I'm pretty certain you could be in favor of both limited government and strong anti-trust enforcement. I very much think you could be for limiting the influence of government on peoples lives and limiting corporate influence on peoples lives as well. You can be against government interference in the free market and be against unchecked monopoly power. Competition is good for consumers, monopolies and consolidation are bad for consumers. This country needs a Teddy Roosevelt right now in the worst way, I'd support that type of candidate from any party if they were serious about it.

funny ... I mentioned that exact thingy in '15 ... it turned into #henceDJT --->>> #DJTexperiment...

we know the end result of that guy now, Ja?!

#groverII is dead @longLiveTheSwamp

If they are a billionaire businessman, perhaps they work for the swamp? Do any of us know these guys other than through the media? No.

If we want to clean up the swamp we can do that 1 state at the time. Clean up the political machines within each state and elect people who work for the people and Washington's governance will change. It will take deliberate and painful action to eliminate the bureaucracies, but all of it starts at home. Make sure your Representatives and Senators are your people, not corporate transplant candidates. Make sure that Corporate Horse #1 isn't running against flawed and crippled Corporate Horse #2 to make sure who wins. There's a lot of that going on as well.

It is the only shot we have at voting out PAC money which is the key to taking the country back. It isn't a Red vs Blue or Republican vs Democratic issue. It is a Corporate Globalist takeover vs the freedom of all people issue. The differences we have with the left we can hash out in Congress if their people are their people and our people are our people. If corporate takeover is completed there will be no discussions for either side on any issue and anyone who pushes objections will simply disappear. It is how that system works. The Democrats are Americans I disagree with and can settle disputes with in dialogue. If we don't get the Corporate Multi Nationals out of our government we won't be allowed to disagree and we will no longer be Americans.

we've been adamant over the years about root cause/solutions ... however, I'll admit I never saw the Covid thingy coming ... that was the final straw for nuts zongo...

TBH, I'm tired of repeating myself ... it wasn't funny during my corpshite days ... it's much worse now...

@missedItByAdecadeForTheShiteToHitTheProverbial #'20became'30quicklike

Hey! Brother if you think 20 became 30 fast you ain't seen how fast 60 and 70 run at you! We are talking blink and it's Warp Factor II Mr. Sulu.

I don't want to live in a global sized Corporate Mill Town and be forced to live in company housing and buy all my stuff at the company store! And I won't!
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RE: Well this is weird? (Inflation report for April)
(06-01-2023 05:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 05:53 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 02:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 01:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 12:55 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm pretty certain you could be in favor of both limited government and strong anti-trust enforcement. I very much think you could be for limiting the influence of government on peoples lives and limiting corporate influence on peoples lives as well. You can be against government interference in the free market and be against unchecked monopoly power. Competition is good for consumers, monopolies and consolidation are bad for consumers. This country needs a Teddy Roosevelt right now in the worst way, I'd support that type of candidate from any party if they were serious about it.

funny ... I mentioned that exact thingy in '15 ... it turned into #henceDJT --->>> #DJTexperiment...

we know the end result of that guy now, Ja?!

#groverII is dead @longLiveTheSwamp

If they are a billionaire businessman, perhaps they work for the swamp? Do any of us know these guys other than through the media? No.

If we want to clean up the swamp we can do that 1 state at the time. Clean up the political machines within each state and elect people who work for the people and Washington's governance will change. It will take deliberate and painful action to eliminate the bureaucracies, but all of it starts at home. Make sure your Representatives and Senators are your people, not corporate transplant candidates. Make sure that Corporate Horse #1 isn't running against flawed and crippled Corporate Horse #2 to make sure who wins. There's a lot of that going on as well.

It is the only shot we have at voting out PAC money which is the key to taking the country back. It isn't a Red vs Blue or Republican vs Democratic issue. It is a Corporate Globalist takeover vs the freedom of all people issue. The differences we have with the left we can hash out in Congress if their people are their people and our people are our people. If corporate takeover is completed there will be no discussions for either side on any issue and anyone who pushes objections will simply disappear. It is how that system works. The Democrats are Americans I disagree with and can settle disputes with in dialogue. If we don't get the Corporate Multi Nationals out of our government we won't be allowed to disagree and we will no longer be Americans.

we've been adamant over the years about root cause/solutions ... however, I'll admit I never saw the Covid thingy coming ... that was the final straw for nuts zongo...

TBH, I'm tired of repeating myself ... it wasn't funny during my corpshite days ... it's much worse now...

@missedItByAdecadeForTheShiteToHitTheProverbial #'20became'30quicklike

Hey! Brother if you think 20 became 30 fast you ain't seen how fast 60 and 70 run at you! We are talking blink and it's Warp Factor II Mr. Sulu.

I don't want to live in a global sized Corporate Mill Town and be forced to live in company housing and buy all my stuff at the company store! And I won't!

Plenty of people do though. Lazy and needing to he told what to do and think.

Thats the real enemy. Not corps making profit. I am so tired of dealing with stupidity
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RE: Well this is weird? (Inflation report for April)
(06-01-2023 07:15 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 05:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 05:53 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 02:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 01:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  funny ... I mentioned that exact thingy in '15 ... it turned into #henceDJT --->>> #DJTexperiment...

we know the end result of that guy now, Ja?!

#groverII is dead @longLiveTheSwamp

If they are a billionaire businessman, perhaps they work for the swamp? Do any of us know these guys other than through the media? No.

If we want to clean up the swamp we can do that 1 state at the time. Clean up the political machines within each state and elect people who work for the people and Washington's governance will change. It will take deliberate and painful action to eliminate the bureaucracies, but all of it starts at home. Make sure your Representatives and Senators are your people, not corporate transplant candidates. Make sure that Corporate Horse #1 isn't running against flawed and crippled Corporate Horse #2 to make sure who wins. There's a lot of that going on as well.

It is the only shot we have at voting out PAC money which is the key to taking the country back. It isn't a Red vs Blue or Republican vs Democratic issue. It is a Corporate Globalist takeover vs the freedom of all people issue. The differences we have with the left we can hash out in Congress if their people are their people and our people are our people. If corporate takeover is completed there will be no discussions for either side on any issue and anyone who pushes objections will simply disappear. It is how that system works. The Democrats are Americans I disagree with and can settle disputes with in dialogue. If we don't get the Corporate Multi Nationals out of our government we won't be allowed to disagree and we will no longer be Americans.

we've been adamant over the years about root cause/solutions ... however, I'll admit I never saw the Covid thingy coming ... that was the final straw for nuts zongo...

TBH, I'm tired of repeating myself ... it wasn't funny during my corpshite days ... it's much worse now...

@missedItByAdecadeForTheShiteToHitTheProverbial #'20became'30quicklike

Hey! Brother if you think 20 became 30 fast you ain't seen how fast 60 and 70 run at you! We are talking blink and it's Warp Factor II Mr. Sulu.

I don't want to live in a global sized Corporate Mill Town and be forced to live in company housing and buy all my stuff at the company store! And I won't!

Plenty of people do though. Lazy and needing to he told what to do and think.

Thats the real enemy. Not corps making profit. I am so tired of dealing with stupidity

Well, the last thing I have a use for is a bunch of leftists in Academia making more than they deserve from the state! Expecting their COLAs every year. It is they who have produced the ignoramuses of which you speak. Corporatists take advantage of higher education's failures, and the certain failures of High Schools. And it is the cooption of the electoral process that the corporations are guilty of, not making a profit. PAC money has ended any representative democracy or republic we may have thought we had. I'm tired of dealing with that stupidity as well, and not fixing education is even stupider as it works against us faster than we can readjust their graduates to reality. It's as damned stupid as it gets. Tell me did you make a stand there in those institutions of higher ed you worked within, or did you just bide your time? If so how? I made my change on the ground rallying disparate parties together to stand for their common rights. Was threatened for it, as was my family. Learned to check every morning for a car bomb and looked down the barrel of bore a couple of times.

Education raises leftist cucks, grooms them, tells them their parents are bad (and some are but not most), and tells them to trust the people in power. How damn stupid is that hoss?

The United States had Anti-trust laws to stop the abuse of the then 5% owning 85% of the wealth. Now with Corporate Multi-nationals its 3% which own 97% of the wealth, just like the corrupt Pri did in Mexico in the mid 60's. It's no damn wonder when every damn government regulation puts another private business out while the corporate chains get perks and tax breaks which gave them a 15-point advantage over independents when they opened the doors each morning and that doesn't count cheap assed goods from China.

So, spare me your corporate profits horseshit Shere! They got those off of the backs of the taxpayers with a full sales tax rebate (state portion of it) for every store they opened which lasted until the complete overhead of the building was covered and a reduction of 50% in local property taxes or they won't locate. Yet mom and pop had to go up on sales tax to pay for those precious schools where our children are brainwashed and they get no discount on property tax, and they pay benefits for full time employees including health. Find me the employees with actual benefits in the big box stores? Any crooked a hole can succeed in business if they get out of paying their damn taxes. That's not free enterprise bud that's political favor. And why did they get those favors? PAC money for the state politicians as well as the national ones.

We lost our minds and our voice because everyone in government is paid off by the 3% with the 97% of the wealth while the rest of the country operates on paycheck to paycheck or from debt. That's not the United States I grew up in. It's third world with an Oligarchy in control.

So come again with your hatred of stupidity because your arse needs a grass roots business education! We lost our government because PAC money replaced the donations of citizens, the favors it bought enriched the corporations and bankrupted private business, and now everyone sucks off the teat of Corporate money or they don't get to nurse at all. Now those malignant SOBs think there are 5 billion too many people on the orb. Maybe they don't have the need of older academicians who don't tow the fascist party line. Maybe they think you and I are useless 'cause we won't think like they do.

It is always the money Shere, always! Follow the money find the fiend. Epstein is dead. He knew what Bill Gates did in his spare time, and other such Billionaire magnates, and more than a few of their lackey politicians. Can't have the old image damaged. Can't admit the financial game is rigged. Can't tell the truth. So you buy off the government, and through them control the law, and fix your problems whether they are under arrest and in jail, or sleeping peacefully in their homes. This isn't the America where profit is good. This is the America where profit is assured via perk and payoff. The decent people are the victims. The ones who work 80 hour weeks to make family businesses pay off. And we've abandoned them for a bunch of Armani wearing pricks whose common morality would make a street whore blush. I guess that's the crowd you want? I don't think so! Better wake up and realize who your enemy is. First rule of Sun Tzu, "Know your enemy." The Democrats are a byproduct of your enemy. The RINOs are a byproduct of your enemy. China inclusion is a byproduct of your enemy and that enemy has no face but many titles, it is Corporate in nature.

The Bible tells you that the beast would not be born of a woman but would have the standing of a man. That happened when civil rights and political donations were legalized and given by our courts to the corporations. No soul. Functions on Greed is good. Suffers no legal penalty of imprisonment, just one of its personnel, and marches on uncaring and unflinching of the human damage it does. That's what you claim to defend but I do not believe it of you. It is not free enterprise and you have been deceived.

Maybe you'll remember this term, #cronie capitalism.
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RE: Well this is weird? (Inflation report for April)
(06-01-2023 03:00 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(06-01-2023 02:37 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(05-31-2023 03:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  And still Tom avoids this thread. C’mon Tom, make it make sense for us.

I'm sure he's loading up his community college level replies.

Stand by...03-lmfao

How did you know he went to community college?

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Based on his posts, I was going to say 8th grade graduate, but I'm feeling generous.
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