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ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
PAC 12 revenue payouts for 2022 were 37 million.

ACC revenue payouts for 2022 were 37.9 million plus bowl and playoff money and tourney creds.

The SEC payouts were 49.9 but will jump closer to 75 by 2024.

What are the Options?

ESPN could move 4 ACC schools to the SEC and create a 20 team conference.

Let's assume that the schools most anxious to make more are Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and North Carolina. Or that they are Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina and Virginia.

In either case the ACC is reduced to 10 full member schools and Notre Dame as a partial.

Notre Dame requires games in Georgia, Florida, and might like them in Louisiana and Texas.

ESPN knows it needs late night games and preferably games with decent content.

ESPN could create two 20 team conferences, dominate content, elevate payouts for the ACCN in which they split profits, which means it's not a cash outlay, and they could nearly double the reach of the ACCN if they picked up the 10 PAC 12 schools and merged them with the ACC.

ACC:

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Stanford, Utah

Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech

Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Use the escalator clause for the ACC contract and establish 38 million as the payout for all. Since FOX pays half of the PAC 12 contract now, the total cost to ESPN would be 190 million for the PAC move. For the 4 ACC schools moving to the SEC the total cost would be 37 million each or 154 million.

The SEC:

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia

ESPN creates two 20 member Power Conferences which suck the oxygen out of further realignment.

The Big 12 expands from the Moutain West and AAC to create the 4th Conference.

The Big 10 and FOX have no place to go and stay at 16.

The ACC increases its total revenue by adding the in state subscription rate for the ACCN to Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon, Utah, and Washington. They only lose South Carolina's 5 million from the footprint in this move.

They essentially get the PAC 12 for what their full rate is now. They increase inventory which reduces cost, they make interest in the ACC national which reduces cost via advertising, and the ACC and PAC share an academic standing which is strong but not exclusive like the Big 10's.

ESPN for what likely would wind up being a total cash outlay of 150 million after the value of added inventory, enhanced markets, and in the SEC enhanced content vs content games are subtracted, and the added market reach of each subscription network (ACCN & SECN) are subtracted would be the cheapest dominance ESPN could possibly buy.

They would control 40 schools plus 1 and half of the Big 12 when it came time for votes on the postseason and the possible new hoops tourney. And considering their haul of the expanded playoff would be around 750 million a year 150 million for control, the highest volume of content, and tremendous reach and branding would seem to be a no brainer.

The split East and West Coast divisions provide plenty of local play for non revenue sports and revenue sports and cuts the number of cross country games way down.

The SEC dominates the SE for football and the ACC dominates for basketball and the two compliment each other quite well.

Should ESPN pick up Notre Dame's T1 there are ample games for the Irish to play out West, in the Deep South and at home with interesting schedules to stimulate attendance and donations.

I see a lot of potential in this.

It is one way ESPN could essentially end realignment for the foreseeable future.
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
Are there still negotiations among ESPN, the PAC12, and the ACC, about a consolidated media arrangement? I thought during the early spring, ESPN backed-off on the concept. Perhaps that messaging is wrong and they are still privately talking.

If done carefully and the money is deliverable, it has a plausible chance of working.
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwe56xeBEhM

Interesting info outta Tallahassee, if true.
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
(06-13-2023 02:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwe56xeBEhM

Interesting info outta Tallahassee, if true.

We know who ESPN wants to shelter, the M7, which would be a M8 except Notre Dame is uncertain and should they want to come in there is an 8th slot. If they don't come in, or affiliate in some way, then #8 could go to Georgia Tech.

Then look at the map. Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Georgia Tech.

Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Louisville could take one of two roads, the Big East, or the Big 12. Notre Dame could simply affiliate wherever they wish.

SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Miami

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
(06-13-2023 03:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-13-2023 02:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwe56xeBEhM

Interesting info outta Tallahassee, if true.

We know who ESPN wants to shelter, the M7, which would be a M8 except Notre Dame is uncertain and should they want to come in there is an 8th slot. If they don't come in, or affiliate in some way, then #8 could go to Georgia Tech.

Then look at the map. Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Georgia Tech.

Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Louisville could take one of two roads, the Big East, or the Big 12. Notre Dame could simply affiliate wherever they wish.

SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Miami

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Too many ACC schools watering down the football schedule for me.

I see expansion with four if the right schools come along….six if ND were to join fully

Ideally:
17. FSU
18. Clemson
19. UNC
20. UVA
21. ND
22. Duke/NCSt/VT/theU/Kansas/WVU

We’ll see though. Got plenty of time. Earliest the ACC GOR is projected to be or begin getting test is the first half of next year (PATC).
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
(06-14-2023 07:15 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(06-13-2023 03:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-13-2023 02:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwe56xeBEhM

Interesting info outta Tallahassee, if true.

We know who ESPN wants to shelter, the M7, which would be a M8 except Notre Dame is uncertain and should they want to come in there is an 8th slot. If they don't come in, or affiliate in some way, then #8 could go to Georgia Tech.

Then look at the map. Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Georgia Tech.

Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Louisville could take one of two roads, the Big East, or the Big 12. Notre Dame could simply affiliate wherever they wish.

SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Miami

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Too many ACC schools watering down the football schedule for me.

I see expansion with four if the right schools come along….six if ND were to join fully .

Ideally:
17. FSU
18. Clemson
19. UNC
20. UVA
21. ND
22. Duke/NCSt/VT/theU/Kansas/WVU

We’ll see though. Got plenty of time. Earliest the ACC GOR is projected to be or begin getting test is the first half of next year (PATC).

Murrdcu, I like you as a poster, but , I don't see ND ever joining any conference fully. That includes the B1G & us. The best we can hope for in any relationship with ND, IMO, is a duplicate agreement of what they have with the ACC, and yes, I, am dead serious!!
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
(06-19-2023 02:06 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 07:15 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(06-13-2023 03:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-13-2023 02:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwe56xeBEhM

Interesting info outta Tallahassee, if true.

We know who ESPN wants to shelter, the M7, which would be a M8 except Notre Dame is uncertain and should they want to come in there is an 8th slot. If they don't come in, or affiliate in some way, then #8 could go to Georgia Tech.

Then look at the map. Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Georgia Tech.

Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Louisville could take one of two roads, the Big East, or the Big 12. Notre Dame could simply affiliate wherever they wish.

SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Miami

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Too many ACC schools watering down the football schedule for me.

I see expansion with four if the right schools come along….six if ND were to join fully .

Ideally:
17. FSU
18. Clemson
19. UNC
20. UVA
21. ND
22. Duke/NCSt/VT/theU/Kansas/WVU

We’ll see though. Got plenty of time. Earliest the ACC GOR is projected to be or begin getting test is the first half of next year (PATC).

Murrdcu, I like you as a poster, but , I don't see ND ever joining any conference fully. That includes the B1G & us. The best we can hope for in any relationship with ND, IMO, is a duplicate agreement of what they have with the ACC, and yes, I, am dead serious!!

ND will stay independent in football as long as it can. As JR has mentioned to me several times on this board is don’t be afraid to give your sales pitch to a property that valuable. If they are considering life in the B1G then I’m sure they’ve also considered life in the SEC since Swarbrick mentioned there are only two solar systems moving forward.
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
A 24-school SEC makes sense for Notre Dame. At 24, the SEC will have crawled up and down along the Atlantic coast which suits Notre Dame for several purposes. A 20-school B1G makes sense for Notre Dame as that likely includes both Stanford and USC. Regardless, I think Notre Dame remains independent with all other sports in the Big East.
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
(06-20-2023 12:57 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  A 24-school SEC makes sense for Notre Dame. At 24, the SEC will have crawled up and down along the Atlantic coast which suits Notre Dame for several purposes. A 20-school B1G makes sense for Notre Dame as that likely includes both Stanford and USC. Regardless, I think Notre Dame remains independent with all other sports in the Big East.

I agree with your assessment. ND will stay Indy as long as they can without losing out on postseason opportunities & rivalries. IF that's not viable, then it's really just a matter of what suits their fancy.
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
(06-13-2023 03:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-13-2023 02:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwe56xeBEhM

Interesting info outta Tallahassee, if true.

We know who ESPN wants to shelter, the M7, which would be a M8 except Notre Dame is uncertain and should they want to come in there is an 8th slot. If they don't come in, or affiliate in some way, then #8 could go to Georgia Tech.

Then look at the map. Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Georgia Tech.

Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Louisville could take one of two roads, the Big East, or the Big 12. Notre Dame could simply affiliate wherever they wish.

SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Miami

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

That looks like some awesome divisions. Any thoughts on permanent rivals?
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
(07-19-2023 03:08 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(06-13-2023 03:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-13-2023 02:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwe56xeBEhM

Interesting info outta Tallahassee, if true.

We know who ESPN wants to shelter, the M7, which would be a M8 except Notre Dame is uncertain and should they want to come in there is an 8th slot. If they don't come in, or affiliate in some way, then #8 could go to Georgia Tech.

Then look at the map. Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Georgia Tech.

Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Louisville could take one of two roads, the Big East, or the Big 12. Notre Dame could simply affiliate wherever they wish.

SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Miami

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

That looks like some awesome divisions. Any thoughts on permanent rivals?

Well without Kansas in the lineup I'd guess Oklahoma and Texas A&M to restore the Texas connection more fully. It would be wrong to give you Texas and Oklahoma unless you wanted both. The either Arkansas or Vanderbilt for some proximity. Sankey said yesterday that we will move to 9 conference games in 2025 and things would come out in the wash. When that happens we'll have 3 permanent rivals and 9 conference games and 6 games will rotate.
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RE: ESPN Has Some Options and A Nice Opportunity:
I look at the proliferation of speculation and advocacy articles concerning the future SEC, and other conferences, expansion.

I tend to agree with most content in the below, short but well-written, lower prominence, Fan Sided article.

I would not be surprised when the SEC does expand, it will by two, first. FSU and Clemson would be the teams. FSU, in particular, is making it quite obvious they intend to focus on joining the SEC. Clemson isn’t as loud, but they are also highly frustrated with the level of revenue distributions received from the ACC.

https://bamahammer.com/2023/06/24/sec-fo...u-clemson/

“Are massive media fees for college football approaching, or at a bubble stage? Such questions are rarely answered, “until a bubble bursts.”
At the least, ESPN and other large media companies must be more cautious than bold. Jon Loesche does a great job explaining the dilemma. My advice is to read his entire article.
For those who want a summary, the measure of the value of a college football brand should be measured by the viewing interest it creates. Loesche tracked ACC teams going back to 2012 and tabulated how many games drove 4M or more viewers. The number was 19 for Clemson and 16 for Florida State. The number for UNC was two and for UVA it was zero.”

UNC and UVA would offer flagship additions from two new, majorly populated, contiguous states. Academic and basketball pedigree are recognized. That said, those six ACC schools in NC and VA are tight, and consider themselves the ACC core. Seriously, they want to hang firm in the ACC, but receive near SEC/BIG amounts of revenue distributions.That won’t happen. Thus, some of them are searching for schemes that will retain cohesion and generate a bump in revenue. Would a co-op agreement with the PAC, via ESPN, offer the boost sought? I doubt it for the ACC.

In addition to FSU and Clemson, Miami could be the school that escapes the ACC with less hassle involved if the ACC’s GoR gets fractured.

FSU, Clemson, Miami and Kansas (there you go JRsec on Kansas), for example, could be mixed considerations. Those North Carolina and Virginia “combos” could be messy and fussy in determining, and may have to be resolved later, incrementally perhaps. I still want the SEC to nail down the Charlotte+ market.
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(06-19-2023 05:00 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(06-19-2023 02:06 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-14-2023 07:15 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(06-13-2023 03:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-13-2023 02:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwe56xeBEhM

Interesting info outta Tallahassee, if true.

We know who ESPN wants to shelter, the M7, which would be a M8 except Notre Dame is uncertain and should they want to come in there is an 8th slot. If they don't come in, or affiliate in some way, then #8 could go to Georgia Tech.

Then look at the map. Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Georgia Tech.

Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Louisville could take one of two roads, the Big East, or the Big 12. Notre Dame could simply affiliate wherever they wish.

SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Miami

Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Too many ACC schools watering down the football schedule for me.

I see expansion with four if the right schools come along….six if ND were to join fully .

Ideally:
17. FSU
18. Clemson
19. UNC
20. UVA
21. ND
22. Duke/NCSt/VT/theU/Kansas/WVU

We’ll see though. Got plenty of time. Earliest the ACC GOR is projected to be or begin getting test is the first half of next year (PATC).

Murrdcu, I like you as a poster, but , I don't see ND ever joining any conference fully. That includes the B1G & us. The best we can hope for in any relationship with ND, IMO, is a duplicate agreement of what they have with the ACC, and yes, I, am dead serious!!

ND will stay independent in football as long as it can. As JR has mentioned to me several times on this board is don’t be afraid to give your sales pitch to a property that valuable. If they are considering life in the B1G then I’m sure they’ve also considered life in the SEC since Swarbrick mentioned there are only two solar systems moving forward.

If another independent takes CFB to court over special Notre Dame percs, things may change for the Irish.
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