95 MTSU 180.25
100 FIU 172
123 FAU 136
134 Rice 126.8
163 WKU 95
173 UTSA 83.5
179 Charlotte 80
235 UAB 45
239 LaTech 42.5
250 UTEP 34
252 North Texas 33.6

https://nacda.com/documents/2023/6/12/Fi...ll__1_.pdf

(06-13-2023 04:47 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  95 MTSU 180.25
100 FIU 172
123 FAU 136
134 Rice 126.8
163 WKU 95
173 UTSA 83.5
179 Charlotte 80
235 UAB 45
239 LaTech 42.5
250 UTEP 34
252 North Texas 33.6

https://nacda.com/documents/2023/6/12/Fi...ll__1_.pdf

97 Liberty
151 Kennesaw State
177 Sam Houston State
187 New Mexico State
N/R. Jacksonville State

I know Liberty has been in the 70's many years and Sam Houston I think was in the 80's a year or two ago.

Sam Houston with its golf, bowling and football success was certainly top 100 a few times last few years.

MTSU is championship contenders in pretty much every sport except the ones that really matter.

This is a completely different computation than a directors cup compiled from CUSA standings as most know.

This is a listing of the CUSA scores computed on a national not conference basis.

I do not understand why CUSA doesn't name a Director's cup champion. However, with most sports now having both conference regular season and tournament championship, it gets more complicated.

(06-14-2023 09:26 AM)Grandgreen Wrote:  This is a completely different computation than a directors cup compiled from CUSA standings as most know.

This is a listing of the CUSA scores computed on a national not conference basis.

I do not understand why CUSA doesn't name a Director's cup champion. However, with most sports now having both conference regular season and tournament championship, it gets more complicated.

MT would most likely win that one too.

(06-13-2023 09:38 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  MTSU is championship contenders in pretty much every sport except the ones that really matter.

Funny! Not so much. There are a lot of reasons why we are pretty solid in the less popular sports and weaker than we should be in both FB and MBB. (i.e. Coaching, Administrative support) But there are no legitimate "Excuses" for MT not to be the Top Dog in CUSA or at least a perennial Contender in this conference. And Yes we'd probably win a Director's Cup frequently if CUSA bothered to have one.

(06-14-2023 12:47 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 09:26 AM)Grandgreen Wrote:  This is a completely different computation than a directors cup compiled from CUSA standings as most know.

This is a listing of the CUSA scores computed on a national not conference basis.

I do not understand why CUSA doesn't name a Director's cup champion. However, with most sports now having both conference regular season and tournament championship, it gets more complicated.

MT would most likely win that one too.

Nope. Pretty easy to figure out though awarding points based on order of finish. The TIBL All Sports Trophy goes to...

Charlotte


Charlotte 120
Rice 110
UTSA 104
MT 102
North Texas 94
WKU 77
Florida Atlantic 72
UAB 69
UTEP 69
FIU 65
Louisiana Tech 57

(06-14-2023 02:24 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 12:47 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 09:26 AM)Grandgreen Wrote:  This is a completely different computation than a directors cup compiled from CUSA standings as most know.

This is a listing of the CUSA scores computed on a national not conference basis.

I do not understand why CUSA doesn't name a Director's cup champion. However, with most sports now having both conference regular season and tournament championship, it gets more complicated.

MT would most likely win that one too.

Nope. Pretty easy to figure out though awarding points based on order of finish. The TIBL All Sports Trophy goes to...

Charlotte


Charlotte 120
Rice 110
UTSA 104
MT 102
North Texas 94
WKU 77
Florida Atlantic 72
UAB 69
UTEP 69
FIU 65
Louisiana Tech 57

What formula did you use? How did you treat regular season vs tournament for sports that do that?

Use regular season standings for sports that have them and championships for those that don’t. For sports with all 11 schools participating 11 points for first place down through one point for last. A sport with only eight participants, for example gets 8 points for first.

(06-14-2023 03:01 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Use regular season standings for sports that have them and championships for those that don’t. For sports with all 11 schools participating 11 points for first place down through one point for last. A sport with only eight participants, for example gets 8 points for first.

No points for success in post-conference play? Your schema does not reward NCAA success?

(06-14-2023 02:24 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 12:47 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 09:26 AM)Grandgreen Wrote:  This is a completely different computation than a directors cup compiled from CUSA standings as most know.

This is a listing of the CUSA scores computed on a national not conference basis.

I do not understand why CUSA doesn't name a Director's cup champion. However, with most sports now having both conference regular season and tournament championship, it gets more complicated.

MT would most likely win that one too.

Nope. Pretty easy to figure out though awarding points based on order of finish. The TIBL All Sports Trophy goes to...

Charlotte


Charlotte 120
Rice 110
UTSA 104
MT 102
North Texas 94
WKU 77
Florida Atlantic 72
UAB 69
UTEP 69
FIU 65
Louisiana Tech 57

clt checked your math, that looks correct

(06-14-2023 03:10 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 03:01 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Use regular season standings for sports that have them and championships for those that don’t. For sports with all 11 schools participating 11 points for first place down through one point for last. A sport with only eight participants, for example gets 8 points for first.

No points for success in post-conference play? Your schema does not reward NCAA success?

From all sports perspective, regular season title’s generally are more impactful even though NCAA Tournaments select it off conference tournaments. This was the quick and easy way. If I had more time, I would actually do it weighted by dividing the points by number of teams and I will also acknowledge something like bonus points for winning a conference tournament are something worth considering, but the biggest problem there is that you can get max points twice for the same sport whereas some sports don’t have a regular season, so those institutions who sponsor more of those would be at a greater disadvantage.

If I have time in the next week or so I will mock one up that maybe threads the needle of not overly penalizing some schools over the other. But like I said I doubt the results will be drastically different.

(06-14-2023 08:26 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 03:10 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 03:01 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Use regular season standings for sports that have them and championships for those that don’t. For sports with all 11 schools participating 11 points for first place down through one point for last. A sport with only eight participants, for example gets 8 points for first.

No points for success in post-conference play? Your schema does not reward NCAA success?

From all sports perspective, regular season title’s generally are more impactful even though NCAA Tournaments select it off conference tournaments. This was the quick and easy way. If I had more time, I would actually do it weighted by dividing the points by number of teams and I will also acknowledge something like bonus points for winning a conference tournament are something worth considering, but the biggest problem there is that you can get max points twice for the same sport whereas some sports don’t have a regular season, so those institutions who sponsor more of those would be at a greater disadvantage.

If I have time in the next week or so I will mock one up that maybe threads the needle of not overly penalizing some schools over the other. But like I said I doubt the results will be drastically different.

clt says your method looks legit. you need our address for the trophy?

Charlotte has long been known for peaking for conference play and then tanking in post-season.

(06-14-2023 09:09 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:26 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 03:10 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 03:01 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Use regular season standings for sports that have them and championships for those that don’t. For sports with all 11 schools participating 11 points for first place down through one point for last. A sport with only eight participants, for example gets 8 points for first.

No points for success in post-conference play? Your schema does not reward NCAA success?

From all sports perspective, regular season title’s generally are more impactful even though NCAA Tournaments select it off conference tournaments. This was the quick and easy way. If I had more time, I would actually do it weighted by dividing the points by number of teams and I will also acknowledge something like bonus points for winning a conference tournament are something worth considering, but the biggest problem there is that you can get max points twice for the same sport whereas some sports don’t have a regular season, so those institutions who sponsor more of those would be at a greater disadvantage.

If I have time in the next week or so I will mock one up that maybe threads the needle of not overly penalizing some schools over the other. But like I said I doubt the results will be drastically different.

clt says your method looks legit. you need our address for the trophy?

Yes. But first we will need to collect the registration and membership fees. And then it will be on its way. You can DM me for instructions.

(06-14-2023 08:26 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 03:10 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 03:01 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Use regular season standings for sports that have them and championships for those that don’t. For sports with all 11 schools participating 11 points for first place down through one point for last. A sport with only eight participants, for example gets 8 points for first.

No points for success in post-conference play? Your schema does not reward NCAA success?

From all sports perspective, regular season title’s generally are more impactful even though NCAA Tournaments select it off conference tournaments. This was the quick and easy way. If I had more time, I would actually do it weighted by dividing the points by number of teams and I will also acknowledge something like bonus points for winning a conference tournament are something worth considering, but the biggest problem there is that you can get max points twice for the same sport whereas some sports don’t have a regular season, so those institutions who sponsor more of those would be at a greater disadvantage.

If I have time in the next week or so I will mock one up that maybe threads the needle of not overly penalizing some schools over the other. But like I said I doubt the results will be drastically different.

Get it done by the end of the month. We're gone after that.

Liberty has swept the women’s, the men’s and the combined all sports trophies each year it was awarded during their five year run in the ASUN. It was awarded three different years with Covid and stuff. Looking forward to the increased competition in the CUSA.


https://twitter.com/libertyflames/status...nk2d6UzFqg

(06-15-2023 08:14 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:26 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 03:10 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 03:01 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Use regular season standings for sports that have them and championships for those that don’t. For sports with all 11 schools participating 11 points for first place down through one point for last. A sport with only eight participants, for example gets 8 points for first.

No points for success in post-conference play? Your schema does not reward NCAA success?

From all sports perspective, regular season title’s generally are more impactful even though NCAA Tournaments select it off conference tournaments. This was the quick and easy way. If I had more time, I would actually do it weighted by dividing the points by number of teams and I will also acknowledge something like bonus points for winning a conference tournament are something worth considering, but the biggest problem there is that you can get max points twice for the same sport whereas some sports don’t have a regular season, so those institutions who sponsor more of those would be at a greater disadvantage.

If I have time in the next week or so I will mock one up that maybe threads the needle of not overly penalizing some schools over the other. But like I said I doubt the results will be drastically different.

Get it done by the end of the month. We're gone after that.

I care about as much to do it as I do about you leaving

(06-14-2023 11:05 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Charlotte has long been known for peaking for conference play and then tanking in post-season.

clt says Let me tell you something, we haven't even begun to peak. And when we do peak, you'll know. Because we're gonna peak so hard that everybody in AAC gonna feel it.