(06-26-2023 06:25 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Absolutely it is. We see it in youth sports participation numbers, we now see it in younger demographics having equal level of interest in Football and Basketball. Football, even more than Baseball, is leaning heavily on an older demographic. (This is something I think affects declining attendance for college football, fewer of the students are into it than two generations ago.)

But Football holds the spot right now, it'll take two more decades to dethrone it.

You might be right but I think declining attendance has more to do with ESPN prioritizing certain schools/conferences to the point where students basically dont care about their own schools athletics if they are FCS or below. Even G5s are lucky to have a large minority of their students care. I didn't pay attention before 2009 or so but I based on the fact that most G5 and below stadiums are typically larger, sometimes much larger, than their average crowds then I'd bet that at some point there was a demand for those seats. Maybe not though.

I guess I'd like to think that before CFB was so prevalent on TV that people cared about the local college team regardless of what level they played at. I've definitely seen pictures of a full 14k Bobcat stadium from the 80s. How many D2 or even FCS schools get that nowadays? Not many because people no longer follow the local university unless they're on TV. Just my hypothesis.

(06-26-2023 04:23 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 04:30 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 03:24 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  https://variety.com/vip/how-to-engage-wi...235649253/

The charts are interesting.

Apparently it's older fans who prefer college football over college basketball...

One could wonder how those numbers affect media deals, and therefore, realignment.

Could you please post the charts on this thread, Skyhawk?? The charts & the story are behind a paywall.

They're images. And I'm not sure what the board rules are for adding images.

But basically, the first one was a question of: "Which of the following sports are you a fan of?"

And they list a bunch of things, like nfl, nba, mlb, soccer, motorsports, etc.

But the line for college football and college basketball, I think, are the ones we're likely most interested in.

And they break this question (and other ones) down by the following age groups:

18-58 (overall average)

18-26
27-42
43-58

so for the 18-26 group, the NFL and NBA had the exact same percentage (60 out of 100). And so did college football and college basketball (38 out of 100).

That's eyeballs and ad dollars.

For the other age groups, it was college football around 8-10% higher than college basketball, and so the 18-58 average was a 7% split.

Even with that lead, those aren't big numbers.

Especially since the other age groups for the NFL/NBA split was 7% for 27-42, and 23% (!) for 43-58.

These kinds of numbers would seem to tell the tale of an aging football fandom...

They go on to list things like how do the age groups consume sports. Things like highlights and podcasts.

Younger age groups apparently prefer to watch football highlights over watching the whole game, as opposed to basketball, which is the reverse. Older age groups only have college basketball highlight watchers edging out college football watchers, by a couple percentage points.

Which I guess could explain the semi-recent rule changes as an attempt to reduce the length of football games.

If these numbers are to be believed, they definitely would seem to support JRsec's narrative about the aging of football fandom and how things may look quite different in a decade or so.

And so with all of that said, hence my thought above about how media partners might be looking at these numbers, in regards to conference realignment, and how their needs (eyeballs equaling ad dollars and/or subscriptions), may affect that.

And despite those small differences, its still 80% football. That tells you something about the value of football and the intensity of those following it. Makes the idea of basketball catching up ridiculous. You can never say never. Especially if a sport messes up like baseball did with its strikes. But in the next 20 years, no chance.

(06-27-2023 09:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-26-2023 04:23 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 04:30 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 03:24 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  https://variety.com/vip/how-to-engage-wi...235649253/

The charts are interesting.

Apparently it's older fans who prefer college football over college basketball...

One could wonder how those numbers affect media deals, and therefore, realignment.

Could you please post the charts on this thread, Skyhawk?? The charts & the story are behind a paywall.

They're images. And I'm not sure what the board rules are for adding images.

But basically, the first one was a question of: "Which of the following sports are you a fan of?"

And they list a bunch of things, like nfl, nba, mlb, soccer, motorsports, etc.

But the line for college football and college basketball, I think, are the ones we're likely most interested in.

And they break this question (and other ones) down by the following age groups:

18-58 (overall average)

18-26
27-42
43-58

so for the 18-26 group, the NFL and NBA had the exact same percentage (60 out of 100). And so did college football and college basketball (38 out of 100).

That's eyeballs and ad dollars.

For the other age groups, it was college football around 8-10% higher than college basketball, and so the 18-58 average was a 7% split.

Even with that lead, those aren't big numbers.

Especially since the other age groups for the NFL/NBA split was 7% for 27-42, and 23% (!) for 43-58.

These kinds of numbers would seem to tell the tale of an aging football fandom...

They go on to list things like how do the age groups consume sports. Things like highlights and podcasts.

Younger age groups apparently prefer to watch football highlights over watching the whole game, as opposed to basketball, which is the reverse. Older age groups only have college basketball highlight watchers edging out college football watchers, by a couple percentage points.

Which I guess could explain the semi-recent rule changes as an attempt to reduce the length of football games.

If these numbers are to be believed, they definitely would seem to support JRsec's narrative about the aging of football fandom and how things may look quite different in a decade or so.

And so with all of that said, hence my thought above about how media partners might be looking at these numbers, in regards to conference realignment, and how their needs (eyeballs equaling ad dollars and/or subscriptions), may affect that.

And despite those small differences, its still 80% football. That tells you something about the value of football and the intensity of those following it. Makes the idea of basketball catching up ridiculous. You can never say never. Especially if a sport messes up like baseball did with its strikes. But in the next 20 years, no chance.

I'm not following. What is 80% football? Are you adding different polls together?

(06-27-2023 11:22 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-27-2023 09:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-26-2023 04:23 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 04:30 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 03:24 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  https://variety.com/vip/how-to-engage-wi...235649253/

The charts are interesting.

Apparently it's older fans who prefer college football over college basketball...

One could wonder how those numbers affect media deals, and therefore, realignment.

Could you please post the charts on this thread, Skyhawk?? The charts & the story are behind a paywall.

They're images. And I'm not sure what the board rules are for adding images.

But basically, the first one was a question of: "Which of the following sports are you a fan of?"

And they list a bunch of things, like nfl, nba, mlb, soccer, motorsports, etc.

But the line for college football and college basketball, I think, are the ones we're likely most interested in.

And they break this question (and other ones) down by the following age groups:

18-58 (overall average)

18-26
27-42
43-58

so for the 18-26 group, the NFL and NBA had the exact same percentage (60 out of 100). And so did college football and college basketball (38 out of 100).

That's eyeballs and ad dollars.

For the other age groups, it was college football around 8-10% higher than college basketball, and so the 18-58 average was a 7% split.

Even with that lead, those aren't big numbers.

Especially since the other age groups for the NFL/NBA split was 7% for 27-42, and 23% (!) for 43-58.

These kinds of numbers would seem to tell the tale of an aging football fandom...

They go on to list things like how do the age groups consume sports. Things like highlights and podcasts.

Younger age groups apparently prefer to watch football highlights over watching the whole game, as opposed to basketball, which is the reverse. Older age groups only have college basketball highlight watchers edging out college football watchers, by a couple percentage points.

Which I guess could explain the semi-recent rule changes as an attempt to reduce the length of football games.

If these numbers are to be believed, they definitely would seem to support JRsec's narrative about the aging of football fandom and how things may look quite different in a decade or so.

And so with all of that said, hence my thought above about how media partners might be looking at these numbers, in regards to conference realignment, and how their needs (eyeballs equaling ad dollars and/or subscriptions), may affect that.

And despite those small differences, its still 80% football. That tells you something about the value of football and the intensity of those following it. Makes the idea of basketball catching up ridiculous. You can never say never. Especially if a sport messes up like baseball did with its strikes. But in the next 20 years, no chance.

I'm not following. What is 80% football? Are you adding different polls together?

Revenue is 80% football despite only having a slightly larger following.