(06-30-2023 07:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Even though it was followed by a few years of relative tranquility, I tend to view this move as the "opening salvo" in the realignment battles we've seen unfold ever since, and are embroiled in right now.

On June 30, 2003, Miami and VT accepted invitations to join the ACC, effective for the 2004-2005 academic year.

Here's a link to an article published that day:

http://www.espn.com/ncaa/news/2003/0630/1574726.html

IMHO the “opening salvo” of conference realignment was on 12/16/1989, when Penn State announced it was leaving the A-10 and accepted membership in the Big Ten.

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/16/sport...rence.html

This move put all major conferences on notice that football was paramount, media revenue would boom and expansion was essential. The ACC (with FSU), Big East (adding football & inviting Miami), SEC (with Arkansas & South Carolina) and Big 12 (combo of Big 8 & some SWC) all followed with their own realignment plans within a few years.

The 2003 announcement created a lot of hubris about the ascendancy of ACC football. In reality, by 2003 the ACC was merely trying to catch-up to the successful SEC and B12 model…the ACC needed 12 programs to sponsor a conference championship game. Virginia Tech and Miami were institutions that had previously sought membership into the ACC.

(06-30-2023 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Butch Davis built a powerhouse at Miami. His 2000 team was probably the best in the country, Washington complaints aside they should have played Oklahoma for the national title, and IMO likely would have beat them.

And the 2001 and 2002 teams that did play for the title were IMO basically his construction.

Had Davis stayed at Miami, not taken the Browns job in 2001, Miami may have had a Carroll or Saban type run during the rest of the 2000s.

Carroll-like perhaps, Saban-like very highly unlikely. Built to burn hot and burn out fast.

(06-30-2023 10:00 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 07:40 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  New Commitment from President to support Athletics: UHealth money used to hire Cristobal

What's this we saw last week about UCF begging the Orange County Tourist board for $176M to "speed up athletic facility projects" (i.e., keep up/stay ahead of USF)?

Why not? The money is designated for projects the bring tourists to Orange County....

i don't think Mia was brought into ACC for 2nd round WBB
nor Men's BB

they were brought in for FB

(06-30-2023 10:36 AM)ccbfan Wrote:  Pretty crazy how every team that left for the ACC became a shell of their former selves.
....

It's not a mystery.

Recruiting unlimited partial qualifiers to only four a year... can change things.

(07-01-2023 12:01 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  i don't think Mia was brought into ACC for 2nd round WBB
nor Men's BB

they were brought in for FB

John Swofford was more eager to build up ACC football than he gets credit for. He spoke about it and acted on it, even when action made people squawk.

The catch? It didn't much matter what the ACC's plans were when John Skipper continued to regard the ACC as ESPN's 'basketball product'. It becomes a self-fulfilling stereotype. The network paid and hyped its football and basketball 'products' accordingly.

And here we are, in a P2 world, with ACC schools holding football trophies wondering how to pick Mr Skipper's lock on the exit door.

(06-30-2023 12:15 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 07:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Even though it was followed by a few years of relative tranquility, I tend to view this move as the "opening salvo" in the realignment battles we've seen unfold ever since, and are embroiled in right now.

On June 30, 2003, Miami and VT accepted invitations to join the ACC, effective for the 2004-2005 academic year.

Here's a link to an article published that day:

http://www.espn.com/ncaa/news/2003/0630/1574726.html

IMHO the “opening salvo” of conference realignment was on 12/16/1989, when Penn State announced it was leaving the A-10 and accepted membership in the Big Ten.

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/16/sport...rence.html

This move put all major conferences on notice that football was paramount, media revenue would boom and expansion was essential. The ACC (with FSU), Big East (adding football & inviting Miami), SEC (with Arkansas & South Carolina) and Big 12 (combo of Big 8 & some SWC) all followed with their own realignment plans within a few years.

The 2003 announcement created a lot of hubris about the ascendancy of ACC football. In reality, by 2003 the ACC was merely trying to catch-up to the successful SEC and B12 model…the ACC needed 12 programs to sponsor a conference championship game. Virginia Tech and Miami were institutions that had previously sought membership into the ACC.

1990-91 was the pivotal year, IMO. Penn State decided to join the Big Ten, but also Arkansas left the SWC to join the SEC, along with independent South Carolina, and Florida State agreed to join the ACC. Three independents gone, and cracks in the SWC (which ultimately died). Big East football wasn't even born yet!

(06-30-2023 09:54 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 07:40 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I never know how to grade Miami on realignment. Was it a failure or were they just dragged down by scandals? Or maybe it was just a lack of support from the University?

0 ACC Titles
0 NY6 Wins
1 NY6 Appearance
- Nevin Shapiro Scandal
- Adidas Scandal "University-7"
- Power Struggles: Mark Richt would rather quit than fire his son
- No On-Campus Stadium
- New Commitment from President to support Athletics: UHealth money used to hire Cristobal

Not that a UCF fan would be aware of anything to do with basketball, but Miami has been to four Sweet 16's, an Elite Eight and the Final Four in the past 11 seasons

The women's basketball program has made it to the second round of the NCAA Tournament seven times since 2011, including the Sweet 16 in March.

The football program has been in the crapper for many of the reasons you mentioned, but the biggest factor — as it usually is when traditional FBS powers struggle — has been weak/indifferent leadership that leads to poor coaching hires and inadequate infrastructure.

Maybe it gets fixed with Cristobal; we shall see

In the 21 years from '83 to 2003, here's the U's final AP poll rankings:

#1 - 5 times
#2 - 4 times
#3- #10 - 5 times
#11-#20 - 6 times

The only team that I can think of with a better run in CFB history is Alabama, but you guys did it with 5 different coaches instead of 1. To go from that sort of dominance to a 4.5-3.5 ACC Conference record on average over the next 20 years? It's hard not to think that some of the problem was due to leaving the Big East and joining the ACC. You guys killed the Big East AND the Miami dynasty when you left.