(07-04-2023 08:10 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:30 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:26 PM)rook360 Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 02:38 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  In the same way the AAC being a better league than them when Texas and OU are gone made them raid the AAC for its top 3 schools. This league would be better than the Big 12 competitively. Just the idea of seeing it happen might make the Big12 move forward with expansion of Memphis, SDSU, SMU & USF.

So this thread is really about Starting a league to challenge the Big12 & PAC12 to force their hand in hopes that the Big12 or the PAC12 grab Memphis, SDSU, SMU, and USF.

WOW ECU!! guess you Temple and Tulsa are just dead weight and memphis fans are ready to cut bait.

POWER FORWARD BABY!!!

They are just delusional. They had a couple of decent football seasons and think they are a premier college athletics program now. They think they are too good to go 7-5 which is pretty funny. I saw a Memphis fan on twitter the other day arguing with people that Memphis is a better school academically than BYU and TCU. It comes out in the wash.

A couple? Memphis was the first team to be in 3 consecutive championships in AAC history. They have two championships. What the F has ECU ever done? Baseball?

They have the most wins in the AAC over a nine year period in the AAC. Who's delusional?

Whooped Memphis’s ass for years.
https://www.winsipedia.com/games/east-ca...vs/memphis

I really wonder how long some of you have followed Memphis. Memphis made two good hires with Fuente and Norvell and now they appear to be regressing to the mean of their program stature and what they put into it. And some of you want to fire the guy that has Memphis performing well above its historical performances.

We were damned good in the 60's though!!!

(07-04-2023 09:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 08:10 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:30 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:26 PM)rook360 Wrote:  So this thread is really about Starting a league to challenge the Big12 & PAC12 to force their hand in hopes that the Big12 or the PAC12 grab Memphis, SDSU, SMU, and USF.

WOW ECU!! guess you Temple and Tulsa are just dead weight and memphis fans are ready to cut bait.

POWER FORWARD BABY!!!

They are just delusional. They had a couple of decent football seasons and think they are a premier college athletics program now. They think they are too good to go 7-5 which is pretty funny. I saw a Memphis fan on twitter the other day arguing with people that Memphis is a better school academically than BYU and TCU. It comes out in the wash.

A couple? Memphis was the first team to be in 3 consecutive championships in AAC history. They have two championships. What the F has ECU ever done? Baseball?

They have the most wins in the AAC over a nine year period in the AAC. Who's delusional?

Whooped Memphis’s ass for years.
https://www.winsipedia.com/games/east-ca...vs/memphis

I really wonder how long some of you have followed Memphis. Memphis made two good hires with Fuente and Norvell and now they appear to be regressing to the mean of their program stature and what they put into it. And some of you want to fire the guy that has Memphis performing well above its historical performances.

We sure do. He's an Opie.

Our worst years since 2013 are the last two years, and we're better than .500 counting bowl games. We obliterated a team from the Mountain West in a bowl last year who was favored. Total Annihilation. We're in good shape going into this year.

Everyone needs to come off the ledge. I don't like Silverfield either, but it's by no means a stretch to say he wins the conference next year.

Tulane had the most dynamic player in the conference in Spears last year and he's gone now. Do I think they're still good. Of course, but I don't think you can emphasize just how big a loss not having him is.

Personally I think SMU is the team to beat.

(07-04-2023 10:12 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 09:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 08:10 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:30 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  They are just delusional. They had a couple of decent football seasons and think they are a premier college athletics program now. They think they are too good to go 7-5 which is pretty funny. I saw a Memphis fan on twitter the other day arguing with people that Memphis is a better school academically than BYU and TCU. It comes out in the wash.

A couple? Memphis was the first team to be in 3 consecutive championships in AAC history. They have two championships. What the F has ECU ever done? Baseball?

They have the most wins in the AAC over a nine year period in the AAC. Who's delusional?

Whooped Memphis’s ass for years.
https://www.winsipedia.com/games/east-ca...vs/memphis

I really wonder how long some of you have followed Memphis. Memphis made two good hires with Fuente and Norvell and now they appear to be regressing to the mean of their program stature and what they put into it. And some of you want to fire the guy that has Memphis performing well above its historical performances.

We sure do. He's an Opie.

Our worst years since 2013 are the last two years, and we're better than .500 counting bowl games. We obliterated a team from the Mountain West in a bowl last year who was favored. Total Annihilation. We're in good shape going into this year.

Everyone needs to come off the ledge. I don't like Silverfield either, but it's by no means a stretch to say he wins the conference next year.

Tulane had the most dynamic player in the conference in Spears last year and he's gone now. Do I think they're still good. Of course, but I don't think you can emphasize just how big a loss not having him is.

Personally I think SMU is the team to beat.

Don’t make me be nice to Memphis fans

(07-04-2023 12:27 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 08:01 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Could you get behind this conference? I don’t know all the intricacies of how the Olympic sports would play into this. But I do know I’ve seen SEC schools Olympic sports in lower tier leagues like the Sun Belt and CUSA. Not sure I’d relish having the military basketball teams. So backfill them with the Zags, Saint Mary’s, VCU, St. Louis and the shockers. This league would be a hell of a Conference in my opinion with a lot of upside. The games would be fun. It would be a merger of sorts of the best schools that are left from the MWC and AAC. You accomplish the coast to coast in every time zone that the Big12 wants. You also snatch up some teams that both leagues would want. In any given year this conference would be as good or better than the PAC 12 or Big 12

Sit still as a league and wait for other schools to demonstrate long term success and commitment. No knee jerk additions like the ones that are coming into the AAC now.

Football Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
USF
SMU
Tulane
Navy
Army

Western Division
Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

Basketball Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
Wichita State
SMU
South Florida
Tulane
St. Louis
VCU


Western Division
Gonzaga
Saint Mary’s
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

No. There is no way as a UNT fan that I could get behind this conference.

This entire thread is a kneejerk reaction. I get that Memphis fans are mad they continue to get passed over by the Big12. It sucks too because Memphis fits the Big12's profile and geography. The only problem is that the Big12 isn't interested in adding more programs within their existing footprint. The Big12 is set on adding the scraps from the PAC and the ACC once the big dogs eat (SEC & B1G). Nothing will change that and it could take a decade to play out. But on the positive side, the AAC has a chance to follow the Big12's plan and become a stronger conference when the dust settles.

The P5 is dying, and the AAC has an opportunity to be a member of the Playoff-6 going forward. That is a much better position than AAC (including Memphis) has ever been in. There really is no need to dream of some new "airport meeting" conference, or hope to force a power conference's hand.

the above is a joke.....one conference added teams at half shares and have to extend their media deal (that is already too long) by two years even to get those half shares for new members

the other conference lost two teams, added four, and was able to get a very slight bump from the end of their current media deal to the start of their new one and their new one is timed to expire before the end of several other major conferences so they can negotiate earlier

there will never be a "playoff 6" because the P5 is not going to have another conference get two votes on NCAA business, they are not going to give the large share of playoff money to another conference, and there is zero indication that ESPN or any other network is looking to pay large guaranteed money to any conference for a NY6 bowl game

so of the three factors that make up a P5 conference is looks like there is a near zero chance that another conference will get even a single P factor much less two or all three

(07-05-2023 05:28 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 12:27 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 08:01 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Could you get behind this conference? I don’t know all the intricacies of how the Olympic sports would play into this. But I do know I’ve seen SEC schools Olympic sports in lower tier leagues like the Sun Belt and CUSA. Not sure I’d relish having the military basketball teams. So backfill them with the Zags, Saint Mary’s, VCU, St. Louis and the shockers. This league would be a hell of a Conference in my opinion with a lot of upside. The games would be fun. It would be a merger of sorts of the best schools that are left from the MWC and AAC. You accomplish the coast to coast in every time zone that the Big12 wants. You also snatch up some teams that both leagues would want. In any given year this conference would be as good or better than the PAC 12 or Big 12

Sit still as a league and wait for other schools to demonstrate long term success and commitment. No knee jerk additions like the ones that are coming into the AAC now.

Football Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
USF
SMU
Tulane
Navy
Army

Western Division
Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

Basketball Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
Wichita State
SMU
South Florida
Tulane
St. Louis
VCU


Western Division
Gonzaga
Saint Mary’s
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

No. There is no way as a UNT fan that I could get behind this conference.

This entire thread is a kneejerk reaction. I get that Memphis fans are mad they continue to get passed over by the Big12. It sucks too because Memphis fits the Big12's profile and geography. The only problem is that the Big12 isn't interested in adding more programs within their existing footprint. The Big12 is set on adding the scraps from the PAC and the ACC once the big dogs eat (SEC & B1G). Nothing will change that and it could take a decade to play out. But on the positive side, the AAC has a chance to follow the Big12's plan and become a stronger conference when the dust settles.

The P5 is dying, and the AAC has an opportunity to be a member of the Playoff-6 going forward. That is a much better position than AAC (including Memphis) has ever been in. There really is no need to dream of some new "airport meeting" conference, or hope to force a power conference's hand.

the above is a joke.....one conference added teams at half shares and have to extend their media deal (that is already too long) by two years even to get those half shares for new members

the other conference lost two teams, added four, and was able to get a very slight bump from the end of their current media deal to the start of their new one and their new one is timed to expire before the end of several other major conferences so they can negotiate earlier

there will never be a "playoff 6" because the P5 is not going to have another conference get two votes on NCAA business, they are not going to give the large share of playoff money to another conference, and there is zero indication that ESPN or any other network is looking to pay large guaranteed money to any conference for a NY6 bowl game

so of the three factors that make up a P5 conference is looks like there is a near zero chance that another conference will get even a single P factor much less two or all three

We just make up our own rules for what constitutes "Power" here.

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(07-04-2023 03:29 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 01:13 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 09:54 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 09:47 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  By golly, that conference will bring the B1G to it's knees.

You're missing the point too. Not really news though. It's about trying to force the B12 and the Pac12 to make a move. What's the B10 have to do with it.

Why would this force them to make a move? This makes no sense. Please explain.

I don't think it would. Both conferences could pluck anyone they want whenever they want. It's about who's pluckable. That's the conversation.

Should Memphis,SMU, ECU, Tulane, USF etc. be happy going in reverse? Would anyone?

I have to love you and be told I'm a piece of **** at the same time. Sounds like the real world now.

You're under the mistaken impression that the P5 is considering anyone in your new super conference. And if they were, wouldn't they have taken them by now???

All you're doing by locking the G5 in a room to yourselves is actually preventing any further escapees.

You think that would force a move. If the PAC blows up and you're all in your "super" conference... then all the PAC leftovers would just go to the B12 or ACC.

The G5 has ZERO leverage. Trust me, we know.

(07-04-2023 10:55 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 10:12 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 09:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 08:10 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  A couple? Memphis was the first team to be in 3 consecutive championships in AAC history. They have two championships. What the F has ECU ever done? Baseball?

They have the most wins in the AAC over a nine year period in the AAC. Who's delusional?

Whooped Memphis’s ass for years.
https://www.winsipedia.com/games/east-ca...vs/memphis

I really wonder how long some of you have followed Memphis. Memphis made two good hires with Fuente and Norvell and now they appear to be regressing to the mean of their program stature and what they put into it. And some of you want to fire the guy that has Memphis performing well above its historical performances.

We sure do. He's an Opie.

Our worst years since 2013 are the last two years, and we're better than .500 counting bowl games. We obliterated a team from the Mountain West in a bowl last year who was favored. Total Annihilation. We're in good shape going into this year.

Everyone needs to come off the ledge. I don't like Silverfield either, but it's by no means a stretch to say he wins the conference next year.

Tulane had the most dynamic player in the conference in Spears last year and he's gone now. Do I think they're still good. Of course, but I don't think you can emphasize just how big a loss not having him is.

Personally I think SMU is the team to beat.

Don’t make me be nice to Memphis fans

Did I get SMU and North Texas mixed up again?

(07-05-2023 07:44 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:29 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 01:13 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 09:54 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 09:47 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  By golly, that conference will bring the B1G to it's knees.

You're missing the point too. Not really news though. It's about trying to force the B12 and the Pac12 to make a move. What's the B10 have to do with it.

Why would this force them to make a move? This makes no sense. Please explain.

I don't think it would. Both conferences could pluck anyone they want whenever they want. It's about who's pluckable. That's the conversation.

Should Memphis,SMU, ECU, Tulane, USF etc. be happy going in reverse? Would anyone?

I have to love you and be told I'm a piece of **** at the same time. Sounds like the real world now.

You're under the mistaken impression that the P5 is considering anyone in your new super conference. And if they were, wouldn't they have taken them by now???

All you're doing by locking the G5 in a room to yourselves is actually preventing any further escapees.

You think that would force a move. If the PAC blows up and you're all in your "super" conference... then all the PAC leftovers would just go to the B12 or ACC.

The G5 has ZERO leverage. Trust me, we know.

It's a cat and mouse game right now. The B12 wants the four corner schools. Last go round was the same thing. That was Plan A then, and it is plan A now. Plan B would be non P-5's. Plan C is to do nothing for now.

Yormark wants to expand. He's already stated that. First it was four teams, but recently walked that back to two teams.

Why would he rush to go to plan B if Plan A is still an option. Until the PAC deal is finalized he's not doing anything.

There's a good chance the Pac deal will not be that good. ESPN had layoffs, and Disney is pretty much in the toilet. Streaming services are under performing as well. Just saw a podcast recently where they said everyone is losing money on streaming services. Cable subscriptions where espn made all their money continues to plummet. ESPN is in dire straights.

I'll be glad when football season gets here. Silly season "What do you think of my version of realignment that isn't ever going to happen" threads make my head hurt.

They also have their own board to be posted on.

(07-05-2023 05:28 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 12:27 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 08:01 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Could you get behind this conference? I don’t know all the intricacies of how the Olympic sports would play into this. But I do know I’ve seen SEC schools Olympic sports in lower tier leagues like the Sun Belt and CUSA. Not sure I’d relish having the military basketball teams. So backfill them with the Zags, Saint Mary’s, VCU, St. Louis and the shockers. This league would be a hell of a Conference in my opinion with a lot of upside. The games would be fun. It would be a merger of sorts of the best schools that are left from the MWC and AAC. You accomplish the coast to coast in every time zone that the Big12 wants. You also snatch up some teams that both leagues would want. In any given year this conference would be as good or better than the PAC 12 or Big 12

Sit still as a league and wait for other schools to demonstrate long term success and commitment. No knee jerk additions like the ones that are coming into the AAC now.

Football Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
USF
SMU
Tulane
Navy
Army

Western Division
Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

Basketball Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
Wichita State
SMU
South Florida
Tulane
St. Louis
VCU


Western Division
Gonzaga
Saint Mary’s
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

No. There is no way as a UNT fan that I could get behind this conference.

This entire thread is a kneejerk reaction. I get that Memphis fans are mad they continue to get passed over by the Big12. It sucks too because Memphis fits the Big12's profile and geography. The only problem is that the Big12 isn't interested in adding more programs within their existing footprint. The Big12 is set on adding the scraps from the PAC and the ACC once the big dogs eat (SEC & B1G). Nothing will change that and it could take a decade to play out. But on the positive side, the AAC has a chance to follow the Big12's plan and become a stronger conference when the dust settles.

The P5 is dying, and the AAC has an opportunity to be a member of the Playoff-6 going forward. That is a much better position than AAC (including Memphis) has ever been in. There really is no need to dream of some new "airport meeting" conference, or hope to force a power conference's hand.

the above is a joke.....one conference added teams at half shares and have to extend their media deal (that is already too long) by two years even to get those half shares for new members

the other conference lost two teams, added four, and was able to get a very slight bump from the end of their current media deal to the start of their new one and their new one is timed to expire before the end of several other major conferences so they can negotiate earlier

there will never be a "playoff 6" because the P5 is not going to have another conference get two votes on NCAA business, they are not going to give the large share of playoff money to another conference, and there is zero indication that ESPN or any other network is looking to pay large guaranteed money to any conference for a NY6 bowl game

so of the three factors that make up a P5 conference is looks like there is a near zero chance that another conference will get even a single P factor much less two or all three

Well, well, well. UNT's personal troll is back. It appears you have some details wrong. The C-USA6 start at half shares, but they increase to full shares over the duration of the contract.

And, starting in 2024, there will be a Playoff-6 every season, since the top 6 conference champions earn automatic bids to the new 12-team playoff. So, as long as the AAC can continue to be the best non-autonomous conference, then "Yes", the AAC will be one of the Playoff-6. The AAC is certainly the most likely non-autonomous conference to earn that title going forward.

You don't even support a program. You exist only to troll UNT. So, I don't take anything you say seriously. I doubt anyone does. Sad.

(07-04-2023 07:13 PM)rook360 Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:33 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  The problem is that some of you UAB and other newcomers don’t understand. As undesirable as Memphis has apparently consistently proven to be to the P5 haves. Y’all are even less desirable. The real knee jerk reaction was the AAC adding each of the new comers. It will prove to be the ultimate death of what was a league with so much potential. The American could have stayed put even with the 3 defections and still been the best G5.

It is what it is. This idea is fantasy and I know that. Memphis will always suffer from inept university and city leadership,

Because the AAC was so desirable that Colorado St, AFA, and Boise couldn't wait to join Memphis, USF, and the other teams.

Hey I get it, you're the USM and Marshall of the AAC. The difference is those two at least got to leave CUSA on their terms.
And to clarify, most new member fans aren't hating on UM or USF proper, just returning the same energy that some of their broken hearted fans are pushing out.
Not out of the AAC of course.

(07-04-2023 04:44 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

I got nothing against BIGDTiger or Memphis. I'm just an optimist, and believe that when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. I believe great things are in the future for this version of the AAC.

(07-05-2023 12:56 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 05:28 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 12:27 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 08:01 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Could you get behind this conference? I don’t know all the intricacies of how the Olympic sports would play into this. But I do know I’ve seen SEC schools Olympic sports in lower tier leagues like the Sun Belt and CUSA. Not sure I’d relish having the military basketball teams. So backfill them with the Zags, Saint Mary’s, VCU, St. Louis and the shockers. This league would be a hell of a Conference in my opinion with a lot of upside. The games would be fun. It would be a merger of sorts of the best schools that are left from the MWC and AAC. You accomplish the coast to coast in every time zone that the Big12 wants. You also snatch up some teams that both leagues would want. In any given year this conference would be as good or better than the PAC 12 or Big 12

Sit still as a league and wait for other schools to demonstrate long term success and commitment. No knee jerk additions like the ones that are coming into the AAC now.

Football Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
USF
SMU
Tulane
Navy
Army

Western Division
Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

Basketball Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
Wichita State
SMU
South Florida
Tulane
St. Louis
VCU


Western Division
Gonzaga
Saint Mary’s
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

No. There is no way as a UNT fan that I could get behind this conference.

This entire thread is a kneejerk reaction. I get that Memphis fans are mad they continue to get passed over by the Big12. It sucks too because Memphis fits the Big12's profile and geography. The only problem is that the Big12 isn't interested in adding more programs within their existing footprint. The Big12 is set on adding the scraps from the PAC and the ACC once the big dogs eat (SEC & B1G). Nothing will change that and it could take a decade to play out. But on the positive side, the AAC has a chance to follow the Big12's plan and become a stronger conference when the dust settles.

The P5 is dying, and the AAC has an opportunity to be a member of the Playoff-6 going forward. That is a much better position than AAC (including Memphis) has ever been in. There really is no need to dream of some new "airport meeting" conference, or hope to force a power conference's hand.

the above is a joke.....one conference added teams at half shares and have to extend their media deal (that is already too long) by two years even to get those half shares for new members

the other conference lost two teams, added four, and was able to get a very slight bump from the end of their current media deal to the start of their new one and their new one is timed to expire before the end of several other major conferences so they can negotiate earlier

there will never be a "playoff 6" because the P5 is not going to have another conference get two votes on NCAA business, they are not going to give the large share of playoff money to another conference, and there is zero indication that ESPN or any other network is looking to pay large guaranteed money to any conference for a NY6 bowl game

so of the three factors that make up a P5 conference is looks like there is a near zero chance that another conference will get even a single P factor much less two or all three

Well, well, well. UNT's personal troll is back. It appears you have some details wrong. The C-USA6 start at half shares, but they increase to full shares over the duration of the contract.

And, starting in 2024, there will be a Playoff-6 every season, since the top 6 conference champions earn automatic bids to the new 12-team playoff. So, as long as the AAC can continue to be the best non-autonomous conference, then "Yes", the AAC will be one of the Playoff-6. The AAC is certainly the most likely non-autonomous conference to earn that title going forward.

You don't even support a program. You exist only to troll UNT. So, I don't take anything you say seriously. I doubt anyone does. Sad.

no one is calling anything the "playoff 6" that is something stupid that you came up with and is even more stupid than P6

getting a team in the playoffs as one of the top conferences (especially when that could be any conference any year) does not give some moniker

the P5 moniker stands based on the qualifications of being P5 and the change in playoffs does not change that

in addition there is nothing I see that indicates the new members of the AAC move to a full share over the next 10+ years of whatever is left on the media deal with the new extension.....in fact what I see indicates that is not the case

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/colleg...ment-move/

here helmet sticker arresto very specifically declines to say if new members will ever get to a full share and only says "we worked it out"

In addition, Aresco was also asked if the new AAC schools will have an equal share of media revenue immediately upon joining the league, or ever. Aresco also declined to talk about those details.

Certainly, as we bring schools in, ultimately, we want them to feel they’re fully integrated into the conference and that they’re full partners,” Aresco said. “Whatever we do, we’ve worked it out with the schools. We’ve worked it out very carefully. This is a considerable upgrade for them.

feeling like a full partner does not mean full shares if it did he would have clearly said so

in addition

https://sports.yahoo.com/american-athlet...44710.html

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Sources: The AAC Presidents have met and accepted the six Conference USA schools to join the league – UAB, Rice, North Texas, FAU, Charlotte and UAB. The new schools are expected to start at above $2 million annually from the TV deal, and it will escalate from there.
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The expectation remains among the remaining eight American schools that they will remain essentially whole in their television deal, which averages $7 million per school over the life of the deal.

so the deal starts at two million and escalates.....but of course the media deal escalate for everyone that does not mean that new members move faster to an eventual full share

and more importantly it is stated that existing members expect to remain whole with their $7 million per year average and with no new money from ESPN (no reports out there of new money only a two year extension of the current deal to make it a whopping 14 years total) that would mean that new members would have to take reduced shares the entire time

because you can not lose members and add more members than you lost, not get more money from ESPN and still pay an eventual full share to new members while keeping the old members making what they expected when the deal was signed

if you have any link that says new members would move to a full share over the life of the current deal I would be glad to read it

(07-05-2023 01:58 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 12:56 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 05:28 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 12:27 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 08:01 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Could you get behind this conference? I don’t know all the intricacies of how the Olympic sports would play into this. But I do know I’ve seen SEC schools Olympic sports in lower tier leagues like the Sun Belt and CUSA. Not sure I’d relish having the military basketball teams. So backfill them with the Zags, Saint Mary’s, VCU, St. Louis and the shockers. This league would be a hell of a Conference in my opinion with a lot of upside. The games would be fun. It would be a merger of sorts of the best schools that are left from the MWC and AAC. You accomplish the coast to coast in every time zone that the Big12 wants. You also snatch up some teams that both leagues would want. In any given year this conference would be as good or better than the PAC 12 or Big 12

Sit still as a league and wait for other schools to demonstrate long term success and commitment. No knee jerk additions like the ones that are coming into the AAC now.

Football Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
USF
SMU
Tulane
Navy
Army

Western Division
Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

Basketball Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
Wichita State
SMU
South Florida
Tulane
St. Louis
VCU


Western Division
Gonzaga
Saint Mary’s
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

No. There is no way as a UNT fan that I could get behind this conference.

This entire thread is a kneejerk reaction. I get that Memphis fans are mad they continue to get passed over by the Big12. It sucks too because Memphis fits the Big12's profile and geography. The only problem is that the Big12 isn't interested in adding more programs within their existing footprint. The Big12 is set on adding the scraps from the PAC and the ACC once the big dogs eat (SEC & B1G). Nothing will change that and it could take a decade to play out. But on the positive side, the AAC has a chance to follow the Big12's plan and become a stronger conference when the dust settles.

The P5 is dying, and the AAC has an opportunity to be a member of the Playoff-6 going forward. That is a much better position than AAC (including Memphis) has ever been in. There really is no need to dream of some new "airport meeting" conference, or hope to force a power conference's hand.

the above is a joke.....one conference added teams at half shares and have to extend their media deal (that is already too long) by two years even to get those half shares for new members

the other conference lost two teams, added four, and was able to get a very slight bump from the end of their current media deal to the start of their new one and their new one is timed to expire before the end of several other major conferences so they can negotiate earlier

there will never be a "playoff 6" because the P5 is not going to have another conference get two votes on NCAA business, they are not going to give the large share of playoff money to another conference, and there is zero indication that ESPN or any other network is looking to pay large guaranteed money to any conference for a NY6 bowl game

so of the three factors that make up a P5 conference is looks like there is a near zero chance that another conference will get even a single P factor much less two or all three

Well, well, well. UNT's personal troll is back. It appears you have some details wrong. The C-USA6 start at half shares, but they increase to full shares over the duration of the contract.

And, starting in 2024, there will be a Playoff-6 every season, since the top 6 conference champions earn automatic bids to the new 12-team playoff. So, as long as the AAC can continue to be the best non-autonomous conference, then "Yes", the AAC will be one of the Playoff-6. The AAC is certainly the most likely non-autonomous conference to earn that title going forward.

You don't even support a program. You exist only to troll UNT. So, I don't take anything you say seriously. I doubt anyone does. Sad.

no one is calling anything the "playoff 6" that is something stupid that you came up with and is even more stupid than P6

getting a team in the playoffs as one of the top conferences (especially when that could be any conference any year) does not give some moniker

the P5 moniker stands based on the qualifications of being P5 and the change in playoffs does not change that

in addition there is nothing I see that indicates the new members of the AAC move to a full share over the next 10+ years of whatever is left on the media deal with the new extension.....in fact what I see indicates that is not the case

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/colleg...ment-move/

here helmet sticker arresto very specifically declines to say if new members will ever get to a full share and only says "we worked it out"

In addition, Aresco was also asked if the new AAC schools will have an equal share of media revenue immediately upon joining the league, or ever. Aresco also declined to talk about those details.

Certainly, as we bring schools in, ultimately, we want them to feel they’re [b]fully integrated into the conference and that they’re full partners,” Aresco said. “Whatever we do, we’ve worked it out with the schools. We’ve worked it out very carefully. This is a considerable upgrade for them.[/b]

feeling like a full partner does not mean full shares if it did he would have clearly said so

in addition

https://sports.yahoo.com/american-athlet...44710.html

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Sources: The AAC Presidents have met and accepted the six Conference USA schools to join the league – UAB, Rice, North Texas, FAU, Charlotte and UAB. The new schools are expected to start at [b]above $2 million annually from the TV deal, and it will escalate from there.
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The expectation remains among the remaining eight American schools that they will remain essentially whole in their television deal, which averages $7 million per school over the life of the deal.[/b]

so the deal starts at two million and escalates.....but of course the media deal escalate for everyone that does not mean that new members move faster to an eventual full share

and more importantly it is stated that existing members expect to remain whole with their $7 million per year average and with no new money from ESPN (no reports out there of new money only a two year extension of the current deal to make it a whopping 14 years total) that would mean that new members would have to take reduced shares the entire time

because you can not lose members and add more members than you lost, not get more money from ESPN and still pay an eventual full share to new members while keeping the old members making what they expected when the deal was signed

if you have any link that says new members would move to a full share over the life of the current deal I would be glad to read it

Ha! Just between us... Who's your team? You're never going to admit which team you actually support, are you? That kind of says it all.



You posted an article that is behind a paywall. And both of your sources are old...from when the C-USA6 were first announced. At that time, the details of the adjusted media deal were still being reworked with ESPN, so Aresco couldn't speak about the details. And most importantly, even from the start, the stated goal was for the new members' shares to escalate. These old examples that you have provided prove nothing.

I don't think any recent articles have been written on the topic. Probably because it is kind of settled. You're just trolling UNT, like you always do. Apparently, you don't have a team in the AAC (unless you're a sock puppet, which would be pathetic), so I really don't see what you have to offer this board. Just a word of warning: The mods over here don't seem to tolerate too much trolling.

(07-04-2023 01:27 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  I think a stronger merger would involve:

SMU
Memphis
Temple
USF
Navy
Tulane

San Diego State
Fresno State
Boise State
Colorado State
Air Force
UNLV

Need to add ECU. If you're going to pitch this thing to media partners in the streaming era where they can see actual eyeball numbers, someone is going to have to actually watch the games.

(07-04-2023 08:01 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Could you get behind this conference? I don’t know all the intricacies of how the Olympic sports would play into this. But I do know I’ve seen SEC schools Olympic sports in lower tier leagues like the Sun Belt and CUSA. Not sure I’d relish having the military basketball teams. So backfill them with the Zags, Saint Mary’s, VCU, St. Louis and the shockers. This league would be a hell of a Conference in my opinion with a lot of upside. The games would be fun. It would be a merger of sorts of the best schools that are left from the MWC and AAC. You accomplish the coast to coast in every time zone that the Big12 wants. You also snatch up some teams that both leagues would want. In any given year this conference would be as good or better than the PAC 12 or Big 12

Sit still as a league and wait for other schools to demonstrate long term success and commitment. No knee jerk additions like the ones that are coming into the AAC now.

Football Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
USF
SMU
Tulane
Navy
Army

Western Division
Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

Basketball Side

Eastern Division
Memphis
Wichita State
SMU
South Florida
Tulane
St. Louis
VCU


Western Division
Gonzaga
Saint Mary’s
Boise State
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State

With no Temple included, I can't get behind it.

(07-05-2023 01:00 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 07:13 PM)rook360 Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:33 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  The problem is that some of you UAB and other newcomers don’t understand. As undesirable as Memphis has apparently consistently proven to be to the P5 haves. Y’all are even less desirable. The real knee jerk reaction was the AAC adding each of the new comers. It will prove to be the ultimate death of what was a league with so much potential. The American could have stayed put even with the 3 defections and still been the best G5.

It is what it is. This idea is fantasy and I know that. Memphis will always suffer from inept university and city leadership,

Because the AAC was so desirable that Colorado St, AFA, and Boise couldn't wait to join Memphis, USF, and the other teams.

Hey I get it, you're the USM and Marshall of the AAC. The difference is those two at least got to leave CUSA on their terms.
And to clarify, most new member fans aren't hating on UM or USF proper, just returning the same energy that some of their broken hearted fans are pushing out.
Not out of the AAC of course.

(07-04-2023 04:44 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

I got nothing against BIGDTiger or Memphis. I'm just an optimist, and believe that when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. I believe great things are in the future for this version of the AAC.

I will enjoy going to games in Denton for sure. Not far from my home. Just wish it was under different circumstances.

There are some very strong opinions on this as evidenced by some of the responses in the thread. For what its worth - IMHO, I see increased value for anyone who could put forth a conference containing what could be euphemistically called: The Best of the Rest. But - only if media valued such a conference in terms of a higher level of revenue. Who is included and how you get to The 16 would be up to said Media partners. By necessity, I think its route is through both the
AAC and the MWC. The whole "It will force the hand of the P5 folks" in some manner along the path of expansion is fantasy. In my mind that is not even a consideration. What is a consideration is that a Best of the Rest might represent a much better life raft for those of us aspiring - and capable, of playing college athletics at the highest level. And only if such a group would garner at least a proportionately bigger Media payday. Say $10-15K. Who is who among that group would be determined solely by commitment, performance, budgets and how much value the Media folks put on their inclusion. Nothing more complicated than that. Seems marginally reasonable albeit with hefty improbable odds of actually happening.

The best of the rest ideation always made the most sense to me, all other factors absent. However, we must play with the hand dealt and I believe the AAC is capable of achieving its goals (eg, CFP slot).

(07-05-2023 06:33 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 01:00 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 07:13 PM)rook360 Wrote:  

(07-04-2023 03:33 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  The problem is that some of you UAB and other newcomers don’t understand. As undesirable as Memphis has apparently consistently proven to be to the P5 haves. Y’all are even less desirable. The real knee jerk reaction was the AAC adding each of the new comers. It will prove to be the ultimate death of what was a league with so much potential. The American could have stayed put even with the 3 defections and still been the best G5.

It is what it is. This idea is fantasy and I know that. Memphis will always suffer from inept university and city leadership,

Because the AAC was so desirable that Colorado St, AFA, and Boise couldn't wait to join Memphis, USF, and the other teams.

Hey I get it, you're the USM and Marshall of the AAC. The difference is those two at least got to leave CUSA on their terms.
And to clarify, most new member fans aren't hating on UM or USF proper, just returning the same energy that some of their broken hearted fans are pushing out.
Not out of the AAC of course.

(07-04-2023 04:44 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

I got nothing against BIGDTiger or Memphis. I'm just an optimist, and believe that when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. I believe great things are in the future for this version of the AAC.

I will enjoy going to games in Denton for sure. Not far from my home. Just wish it was under different circumstances.

Well we are in the same conference again, so I'm glad Memphis is playing at UNT this October. It should be a 6pm kickoff, unless it gets picked up for TV. I hope you enjoy our game day experience. If Memphis plays a basketball game at UNT this season, I hope you can make that one too. For what it's worth. I do think Memphis lands in the ACC down the road after the SEC, B1G, & Big12 poach what they want.