Sounds like the Toad.

(02-12-2024 12:26 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

Chip Kelly's unprecedented move to Ohio State allows coach, UCLA to reset before crucial 2024 season; Kelly and the Bruins seemed headed for divorce sooner than later

Well, only one coach is left standing at the school that hired him in the 2018 hiring cycle.

Hooray(?) for our winner of the 2018 College Football Coach Hunger Games.

https://www.si.com/college/2024/02/13/wh...g-disaster

(02-13-2024 03:55 PM)gsloth Wrote:  Well, only one coach is left standing at the school that hired him in the 2018 hiring cycle.

Hooray(?) for our winner of the 2018 College Football Coach Hunger Games.

https://www.si.com/college/2024/02/13/wh...g-disaster

Thanks for posting that, gsloth. Interesting read with a Rice reference right out of the gate.
However, isn’t that Coach Tui in the picture billed as Coach Bloomgren?

Not sure which is worse - Bloomgren still HC at Rice or SI not knowing that's not Bloomgren in the attached photo.

That's not a good look.

"Exactly one of the 21 coaches remains in place at the university that hired him in 2018: Mike Bloomgren at Rice. His continued employment is more a testament to the prestigious academic school’s view of football than anything else—Bloomgren’s record in six seasons is 22–46, with zero winning seasons.

Yes, a guy who is 24 games below .500 is the last man standing in his same job from the hiring class of 2018."

Hope someone puts this article on the desks of Reggie and Tommy.

(02-13-2024 07:06 PM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  That's not a good look.

"Exactly one of the 21 coaches remains in place at the university that hired him in 2018: Mike Bloomgren at Rice. His continued employment is more a testament to the prestigious academic school’s view of football than anything else—Bloomgren’s record in six seasons is 22–46, with zero winning seasons.

Yes, a guy who is 24 games below .500 is the last man standing in his same job from the hiring class of 2018."

And yet, in the same article, they make the opposite view in the case of Dana Dimmel:

“SI” Wrote:How it worked out: About how things do at UTEP. Dimel went 5–27 in his first three seasons, then rose up to 7–6 and a bowl bid, then slid back to 5–7 in 2023. Firing him after consecutive seasons of 12–13 seems unduly harsh.

20-49 over the same time period is 29 games under .500

UTEP slid to 3-9 in 2023 (the article incorrectly lists 2023 as their 5-7 season and doesn’t mention last year’s record)

Nevertheless the point stands. When you get a team with the history of a UTEP or Rice back to bowl territory you are doing something right.

Lesson is: don’t slide to 3-9. I agree with OO that 9-3 next year would be splendid.

(02-14-2024 08:08 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:06 PM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  That's not a good look.

"Exactly one of the 21 coaches remains in place at the university that hired him in 2018: Mike Bloomgren at Rice. His continued employment is more a testament to the prestigious academic school’s view of football than anything else—Bloomgren’s record in six seasons is 22–46, with zero winning seasons.

Yes, a guy who is 24 games below .500 is the last man standing in his same job from the hiring class of 2018."

And yet, in the same article, they make the opposite view in the case of Dana Dimmel:

“SI” Wrote:How it worked out: About how things do at UTEP. Dimel went 5–27 in his first three seasons, then rose up to 7–6 and a bowl bid, then slid back to 5–7 in 2023. Firing him after consecutive seasons of 12–13 seems unduly harsh.

20-49 over the same time period is 29 games under .500

UTEP slid to 3-9 in 2023 (the article incorrectly lists 2023 as their 5-7 season and doesn’t mention last year’s record)

Nevertheless the point stands. When you get a team with the history of a UTEP or Rice back to bowl territory you are doing something right.

Lesson is: don’t slide to 3-9. I agree with OO that 9-3 next year would be splendid.

Incredible. The word is incredible.

Still, the prospect, however unlikely, gives rise to the question: What if he does? Give him a 10 minute extension and demand that that he repeat it or else?

(02-14-2024 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Still, the prospect, however unlikely, gives rise to the question: What if he does? Give him a 10 minute extension and demand that that he repeat it or else?

Perhaps the easiest way to evaluate it is this...
If there aren't people at bigger programs considering hiring your coach away... whether they actually do so or not.... then if your goal is to be one of those better programs, perhaps you shouldn't be looking to (re) hire him either. He was already paid to go 9-3 last year.

The portal has certainly added some level of murkiness to any evaluation of 'returning talent'.... but if your best players from a 9-3 team are either graduating or looking to leave... and you don't have guys on the bench who were pushing them and/or you haven't (to this point) made a 'living' mining the portal (which Rice probably can't... because of academics)... and of course there are plenty of services who do this sort of analysis... then you need to consider your options.

(02-14-2024 10:25 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Still, the prospect, however unlikely, gives rise to the question: What if he does? Give him a 10 minute extension and demand that that he repeat it or else?

Perhaps the easiest way to evaluate it is this...
If there aren't people at bigger programs considering hiring your coach away... whether they actually do so or not.... then if your goal is to be one of those better programs, perhaps you shouldn't be looking to (re) hire him either. He was already paid to go 9-3 last year.

The portal has certainly added some level of murkiness to any evaluation of 'returning talent'.... but if your best players from a 9-3 team are either graduating or looking to leave... and you don't have guys on the bench who were pushing them and/or you haven't (to this point) made a 'living' mining the portal (which Rice probably can't... because of academics)... and of course there are plenty of services who do this sort of analysis... then you need to consider your options.

If he goes 9-3 next year and gets hired away, doesn't that make everybody happy?

The question then becomes, do we require his successor to go 9-3 or better? What if he goes just 7-6? Do we reward that slipping back into mediocrity?

(02-14-2024 10:38 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If he goes 9-3 next year and gets hired away, doesn't that make everybody happy?

The question then becomes, do we require his successor to go 9-3 or better? What if he goes just 7-6? Do we reward that slipping back into mediocrity?

The answer is more complex to me than this...

I'd say that if he gets hired away by a peer institution... then we LET him go away... and there could be all sorts of reasons for that. If he's hired away by money or a position that we can't touch, then THAT will only bring more interest from people looking to replicate his path... and we will be fine.

As to 'what if his replacement goes 7-6'... we would have already have paid him for that year... and the decision to make a change would (similar to the first comment) be mostly determined by what people (both internal and external) think of the job he did... and what he is expected to do/bring the following year.

Did he go 7-6 with a team that his predecessor would have been expected to go 4-7 with? Or did he go 7-6 with a team that his predecessor would have been expected to go 12-1 with?

Everything should be forward looking... not a retrospective.

Ideally, we'd be able to offer a coach a nominal (by FBS HC standards) salary with incentives for wins and (more for me...) ranking.

(02-13-2024 07:06 PM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  That's not a good look.

"Exactly one of the 21 coaches remains in place at the university that hired him in 2018: Mike Bloomgren at Rice. His continued employment is more a testament to the prestigious academic school’s view of football than anything else—Bloomgren’s record in six seasons is 22–46, with zero winning seasons.

Yes, a guy who is 24 games below .500 is the last man standing in his same job from the hiring class of 2018."

It's a complete embarrassment.

TBH just keep beating Houston, the rest is all gravy

Former Auburn player and UGA Running Backs Coach Dell McGee hired as Georgia State Head Football Coach

Gee whiz. This year the chain continues to shake.