(07-28-2023 09:45 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 09:41 PM)Huan Wrote:  Not Scheer but Az

Washington and Oregon are their #1,2 choices but Arizona works

If Arizona jumps, I think that's all that's left to force Washington and Oregon to jump too. That leaves Arizona State, California, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah and Washington State left.

Considering the delay in MWC teams being able to join in relation to teams that are leaving, and that there are no exit fees to collect, I wonder if we see the remaining teams just join the MWC for geographical and TV rights purposes. That gets the MWC to 18.

Crazy months ahead for sure.

(07-28-2023 07:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arizona is on the CEO board, and Arizona knows what is there, and Colorado did not. If Colorado was on the CEO board? Would you think they would bolt for the Big 12 if they know the same thing that Arizona does?

If they felt the number and/or the details wasn't (weren't) good enough, yes. (Also, how do you know the president of Colorado didn't see it? Are you privy to any and all PAC news via an insider? If so, who is that insider and how has that person not been exposed as the fraud he or she is by now?)

We all act like CU was desperate to return to the Big 12 for the past decade. They were as determined to stay in the Pac as everyone else until Kliavkoff started his Ineptitude Shuffle. If the numbers, or lack thereof, are bad enough for CU to leave, they're bad enough for others to do the same.

(07-28-2023 06:29 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 06:26 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It is one of the great all-time realignment mysteries. Why is DavidSt the most intense, vocal opponent to the Pac-12 losing 4-6 schools when that is the only path for his lifelong dream of Boise St joining the P5 coming true?

Because it ain't a P5 at that point

It would however still be A5, and if they do it right, would put more cracks in AAC and MWC. If they could float a new TV deal in the Teens would still be the clear #5 conference.

(07-28-2023 10:01 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I believe the Big 12 has always targeted Arizona and Colorado. Good fits geographically. Oregon and Washington would get an invite if they decide to come but without them I think the Big 12 holds at 14.

Every time I look at the Big 12 map I think about how great of a fit Memphis is. I know there are a bunch of others that are ahead of them on the radar, but they're just the perfect bridge between the midwest and the eastern schools.

(07-28-2023 10:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arizona is on the CEO board, and Arizona knows what is there, and Colorado did not. If Colorado was on the CEO board? Would you think they would bolt for the Big 12 if they know the same thing that Arizona does?

If the members of the tv negotiating committee really aren’t passing relevant information on to the other members—-then it’s actually their fault their conference is falling apart—not the Big12’s.

I heard that it was just Kliavkoff and one assistant in the room every time. No school reps. What could go wrong?!

(07-28-2023 10:40 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arizona is on the CEO board, and Arizona knows what is there, and Colorado did not. If Colorado was on the CEO board? Would you think they would bolt for the Big 12 if they know the same thing that Arizona does?

If they felt the number and/or the details wasn't (weren't) good enough, yes. (Also, how do you know the president of Colorado didn't see it? Are you privy to any and all PAC news via an insider? If so, who is that insider and how has that person not been exposed as the fraud he or she is by now?)

We all act like CU was desperate to return to the Big 12 for the past decade. They were as determined to stay in the Pac as everyone else until Kliavkoff started his Ineptitude Shuffle. If the numbers, or lack thereof, are bad enough for CU to leave, they're bad enough for others to do the same.

I tell ya, the man seems to rely more on Dionysis than Apollo in giving his opinion on things. The heart and mind must be united in a single, perfect sphere. (Yes, I just referenced "Cygnus X-1: Book II: Hemispheres" in this thread. lol)

(07-28-2023 11:02 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:40 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arizona is on the CEO board, and Arizona knows what is there, and Colorado did not. If Colorado was on the CEO board? Would you think they would bolt for the Big 12 if they know the same thing that Arizona does?

If they felt the number and/or the details wasn't (weren't) good enough, yes. (Also, how do you know the president of Colorado didn't see it? Are you privy to any and all PAC news via an insider? If so, who is that insider and how has that person not been exposed as the fraud he or she is by now?)

We all act like CU was desperate to return to the Big 12 for the past decade. They were as determined to stay in the Pac as everyone else until Kliavkoff started his Ineptitude Shuffle. If the numbers, or lack thereof, are bad enough for CU to leave, they're bad enough for others to do the same.

I tell ya, the man seems to rely more on Dionysis than Apollo in giving his opinion on things. The heart and mind must be united in a single, perfect sphere. (Yes, I just referenced "Cygnus X-1: Book II: Hemispheres" in this thread. lol)

Washington Husky = By-Tor?

(07-28-2023 10:49 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:01 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I believe the Big 12 has always targeted Arizona and Colorado. Good fits geographically. Oregon and Washington would get an invite if they decide to come but without them I think the Big 12 holds at 14.

Every time I look at the Big 12 map I think about how great of a fit Memphis is. I know there are a bunch of others that are ahead of them on the radar, but they're just the perfect bridge between the midwest and the eastern schools.

I couldn't agree with you more. If they don't make it in this next 2-4 expansion they definitely should be on the next 4.

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(07-28-2023 11:13 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:40 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arizona is on the CEO board, and Arizona knows what is there, and Colorado did not. If Colorado was on the CEO board? Would you think they would bolt for the Big 12 if they know the same thing that Arizona does?

If they felt the number and/or the details wasn't (weren't) good enough, yes. (Also, how do you know the president of Colorado didn't see it? Are you privy to any and all PAC news via an insider? If so, who is that insider and how has that person not been exposed as the fraud he or she is by now?)

We all act like CU was desperate to return to the Big 12 for the past decade. They were as determined to stay in the Pac as everyone else until Kliavkoff started his Ineptitude Shuffle. If the numbers, or lack thereof, are bad enough for CU to leave, they're bad enough for others to do the same.

I tell ya, the man seems to rely more on Dionysis than Apollo in giving his opinion on things. The heart and mind must be united in a single, perfect sphere. (Yes, I just referenced "Cygnus X-1: Book II: Hemispheres" in this thread. lol)

Washington Husky = By-Tor?

And Gonzaga = the Snow Dog...I guess?

(07-28-2023 11:13 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:40 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arizona is on the CEO board, and Arizona knows what is there, and Colorado did not. If Colorado was on the CEO board? Would you think they would bolt for the Big 12 if they know the same thing that Arizona does?

If they felt the number and/or the details wasn't (weren't) good enough, yes. (Also, how do you know the president of Colorado didn't see it? Are you privy to any and all PAC news via an insider? If so, who is that insider and how has that person not been exposed as the fraud he or she is by now?)

We all act like CU was desperate to return to the Big 12 for the past decade. They were as determined to stay in the Pac as everyone else until Kliavkoff started his Ineptitude Shuffle. If the numbers, or lack thereof, are bad enough for CU to leave, they're bad enough for others to do the same.

I tell ya, the man seems to rely more on Dionysis than Apollo in giving his opinion on things. The heart and mind must be united in a single, perfect sphere. (Yes, I just referenced "Cygnus X-1: Book II: Hemispheres" in this thread. lol)

Washington Husky = By-Tor?

Sounds like a He-Man character

(07-29-2023 01:59 AM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:13 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 11:02 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 10:40 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  If they felt the number and/or the details wasn't (weren't) good enough, yes. (Also, how do you know the president of Colorado didn't see it? Are you privy to any and all PAC news via an insider? If so, who is that insider and how has that person not been exposed as the fraud he or she is by now?)

We all act like CU was desperate to return to the Big 12 for the past decade. They were as determined to stay in the Pac as everyone else until Kliavkoff started his Ineptitude Shuffle. If the numbers, or lack thereof, are bad enough for CU to leave, they're bad enough for others to do the same.

I tell ya, the man seems to rely more on Dionysis than Apollo in giving his opinion on things. The heart and mind must be united in a single, perfect sphere. (Yes, I just referenced "Cygnus X-1: Book II: Hemispheres" in this thread. lol)

Washington Husky = By-Tor?

Sounds like a He-Man character

It's from a Rush song. "By-Tor and the Snow Dog" (By-Tor is also featured in another song by Rush called "The Necromancer", which is loosely based on the Lord of the Rings.)







You're welcome.

(07-28-2023 07:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arizona is on the CEO board, and Arizona knows what is there, and Colorado did not. If Colorado was on the CEO board? Would you think they would bolt for the Big 12 if they know the same thing that Arizona does?

If they felt the number and/or the details wasn't (weren't) good enough, yes. (Also, how do you know the president of Colorado didn't see it? Are you privy to any and all PAC news via an insider? If so, who is that insider and how has that person not been exposed as the fraud he or she is by now?)

Who knows where things are really at but there was definitely some reporting that no numbers have been presented

(07-29-2023 03:36 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arizona is on the CEO board, and Arizona knows what is there, and Colorado did not. If Colorado was on the CEO board? Would you think they would bolt for the Big 12 if they know the same thing that Arizona does?

If they felt the number and/or the details wasn't (weren't) good enough, yes. (Also, how do you know the president of Colorado didn't see it? Are you privy to any and all PAC news via an insider? If so, who is that insider and how has that person not been exposed as the fraud he or she is by now?)

Who knows where things are really at but there was definitely some reporting that no numbers have been presented

Then how does Arizona know what the numbers are if no numbers have been presented? lol (Sorry, but David's logic is practically nonexistent.)

(07-28-2023 10:40 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arizona is on the CEO board, and Arizona knows what is there, and Colorado did not. If Colorado was on the CEO board? Would you think they would bolt for the Big 12 if they know the same thing that Arizona does?

If they felt the number and/or the details wasn't (weren't) good enough, yes. (Also, how do you know the president of Colorado didn't see it? Are you privy to any and all PAC news via an insider? If so, who is that insider and how has that person not been exposed as the fraud he or she is by now?)

We all act like CU was desperate to return to the Big 12 for the past decade. They were as determined to stay in the Pac as everyone else until Kliavkoff started his Ineptitude Shuffle. If the numbers, or lack thereof, are bad enough for CU to leave, they're bad enough for others to do the same.

Exactly.

(07-28-2023 05:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 05:39 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Commentary by Jason Scheer of Wildcat Authority:

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/ar...213337955/

Scheer needs to shut his trap. I just can't stand him one bit.

You are getting pretty unhinged about this stuff lately.

Arizona, Arizona St, and Utah should all be lining up to join the Big 12. It’s foolish for them to stick with the PAC 9, considering:

Washington and Oregon are going to flirt with the Big 12 in order to try to get the Big 10 to take action on their membership inquiries. These 2 aren’t committed to the PAC for the long haul.

WSU, OSU, Cal, and Stanford are probably in it for the long haul but that’s because they have negligible value on expansion market.

Casting their lot with the Big 12 insures them a future in a relevant, financially solvent, and sports-committed conference for the foreseeable future. The PAC was already way behind in value compared to the Big 12 before the Colorado defection. Imagine how bad it will be after Colorado, Oregon, and Washington are gone. If they don’t act know, they will be in a conference that’s 50% G5 call ups in a few years.

(07-28-2023 05:39 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Commentary by Jason Scheer of Wildcat Authority:

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/ar...213337955/

The problem I see with AZ joining the nB12 is the roster of schools they would play. IMO, this is the best 9-game schedule that could be created for AZ, based on geography and affinity:

Colorado
BYU
Texas Tech
Baylor
Oklahoma State
Kansas
TCU
Houston
Kansas State

IMO, that is a very unappealing lineup of schools for an Arizona school. There's maybe three schools on that list that AZ fans care about, the first three. And that's the best that could be done. They of course would have to play WV, Cincy and UCF at times too. Now, the money and stability of the nB12 may well override that, but IMO that is a big obstacle.

(07-29-2023 06:45 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 03:36 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arizona is on the CEO board, and Arizona knows what is there, and Colorado did not. If Colorado was on the CEO board? Would you think they would bolt for the Big 12 if they know the same thing that Arizona does?

If they felt the number and/or the details wasn't (weren't) good enough, yes. (Also, how do you know the president of Colorado didn't see it? Are you privy to any and all PAC news via an insider? If so, who is that insider and how has that person not been exposed as the fraud he or she is by now?)

Who knows where things are really at but there was definitely some reporting that no numbers have been presented

Then how does Arizona know what the numbers are if no numbers have been presented? lol (Sorry, but David's logic is practically nonexistent.)

For sure. Can't speak for David but supposedly the final straw last week was that the Pac couldn't present Colorado with actual numbers. Again, who knows whats real but thats what I saw being reported.

(07-29-2023 07:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 05:39 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Commentary by Jason Scheer of Wildcat Authority:

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/ar...213337955/

The problem I see with AZ joining the nB12 is the roster of schools they would play. IMO, this is the best 9-game schedule that could be created for AZ, based on geography and affinity:

Colorado
BYU
Texas Tech
Baylor
Oklahoma State
Kansas
TCU
Houston
Kansas State

IMO, that is a very unappealing lineup of schools for an Arizona school. There's maybe three schools on that list that AZ fans care about, the first three. And that's the best that could be done. They of course would have to play WV, Cincy and UCF at times too. Now, the money and stability of the nB12 may well override that, but IMO that is a big obstacle.

And what happens when other PAC schools depart? You think Arizona fans are going to be excited to play SMU, CSU, UNLV, etc.

And even still, most Arizona fans will care much more about moving to the premier college basketball conference.

(07-29-2023 07:48 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-29-2023 07:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 05:39 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Commentary by Jason Scheer of Wildcat Authority:

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/ar...213337955/

The problem I see with AZ joining the nB12 is the roster of schools they would play. IMO, this is the best 9-game schedule that could be created for AZ, based on geography and affinity:

Colorado
BYU
Texas Tech
Baylor
Oklahoma State
Kansas
TCU
Houston
Kansas State

IMO, that is a very unappealing lineup of schools for an Arizona school. There's maybe three schools on that list that AZ fans care about, the first three. And that's the best that could be done. They of course would have to play WV, Cincy and UCF at times too. Now, the money and stability of the nB12 may well override that, but IMO that is a big obstacle.

And what happens when other PAC schools depart? You think Arizona fans are going to be excited to play SMU, CSU, UNLV, etc.

And even still, most Arizona fans will care much more about moving to the premier college basketball conference.

He probably wants USF in the B12 instead. Opinions often resemble hopes when it comes to realignment.