(07-31-2023 01:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Liberty was begging conferences for entrance and offered up tens of millions of dollars. No one added them. Now they are a hot commodity and won't stay in CUSA for long (they have been in CUSA for 30 days)? Hmm...

Things have changed drastically within the last 10 years since Liberty first announced their FBS aspirations. Heck it's been even more so since 2021. different folks in charge, different times, and different reasons.

I'm not saying we're at the top of anyone's list, obviously we were no better than 7th place fot the AAC 2 years ago. I'm just saying we're higher than most think.

The MW will have no one else to add (if they lose enough teams).

(07-31-2023 07:10 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The MWAC even if it’s on the edge of collapsing won’t humiliate themselves by calling the two schools they see as beneath them: UTEP and NMSU. That’ll be their end as a FBS conference and I’m all for it. The sooner they go away the better.

They have made it clear since the WAC breakup announcement in 1998 they don’t want anything to do with UTEP. Not once, twice or thrice. Multiple times. NMSU? They haven’t returned their calls since the 1960’s.

Good bye MWC and good riddance.

Texas St., UTEP, NMSU are about it!

You could go further East---- La Tech, Ark. St.

Last resort-- SHSU, Mo. St., Dakotas, other fcs callups.

The problem for the MW is---some in the list above would say "NO".

I'm sure they would rather have these schools than go extinct.

CUSA literally can't catch a break

- SMU leaving for the PAC would create a vacancy in the AAC
- SDSU leaving for the PAC could cause panic in the MWC
- The AAC has wanted SDSU, Colorado, Air Force, and Boise State for awhile.
- SDSU leaving could cause a collapse in the MW and create AAC movement from the remaining schools.
- MWC would have multiple vacancies and limited options.


New Mexico State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Texas State
UTEP

These schools would be at the top of the list for candidates I would imagine to be added with,

Fresno State
San Jose State
Utah State
Nevada
Wyoming
New Mexico
Hawaii

A massive upgrade from CUSA? No
An upgrade? Yes

There is a pecking order. The PAC has CFP voting rights and can pick off from any of the G5. AAC is next and could pick from the MWC, CUSA, etc. Then the MWC can get what's left over. CUSA, the MAC and SBC all fall below those conferences.

(07-31-2023 07:23 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 01:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Liberty was begging conferences for entrance and offered up tens of millions of dollars. No one added them. Now they are a hot commodity and won't stay in CUSA for long (they have been in CUSA for 30 days)? Hmm...

Things have changed drastically within the last 10 years since Liberty first announced their FBS aspirations. Heck it's been even more so since 2021. different folks in charge, different times, and different reasons.

I'm not saying we're at the top of anyone's list, obviously we were no better than 7th place fot the AAC 2 years ago. I'm just saying we're higher than most think.

With Liberty's facilities and deep pockets, they could actually be considered for a P5 conference, IMO. The politics are what hold them back. Things have changed but I don't think the perception has.

(08-01-2023 09:16 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 07:23 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 01:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Liberty was begging conferences for entrance and offered up tens of millions of dollars. No one added them. Now they are a hot commodity and won't stay in CUSA for long (they have been in CUSA for 30 days)? Hmm...

Things have changed drastically within the last 10 years since Liberty first announced their FBS aspirations. Heck it's been even more so since 2021. different folks in charge, different times, and different reasons.

I'm not saying we're at the top of anyone's list, obviously we were no better than 7th place fot the AAC 2 years ago. I'm just saying we're higher than most think.

With Liberty's facilities and deep pockets, they could actually be considered for a P5 conference, IMO. The politics are what hold them back. Things have changed but I don't think the perception has.

I've seen a few whose perception of Liberty has changed, but I don't think the perception for the hardcore Liberty haters will ever change. I think I can safely say what I’m about to say. Those haters have probably never set one foot on Liberty’s campus. They probably know little to none about Liberty’s academics, athletics or current administration. Other than a sports forum such as this, they’ve probably never had a conversation with a Liberty student or graduate face to face. Their impressions of Liberty are mostly based on worn out cliches that they've heard whether there is any shred of truth to them or not. As you said, things have changed. Maybe with time, the perception will as well.

Let the record show that major corrections to institutional issues are currently in progress with the newly installed president. Obviously skeptics will need more than lipspeak but honest to goodness fundamental change to structure, governance and mission are underway. Sadly this all should have taken place two years ago when the scandals all broke. But it is now starting to come together.

(08-01-2023 09:16 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 07:23 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 01:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Liberty was begging conferences for entrance and offered up tens of millions of dollars. No one added them. Now they are a hot commodity and won't stay in CUSA for long (they have been in CUSA for 30 days)? Hmm...

Things have changed drastically within the last 10 years since Liberty first announced their FBS aspirations. Heck it's been even more so since 2021. different folks in charge, different times, and different reasons.

I'm not saying we're at the top of anyone's list, obviously we were no better than 7th place fot the AAC 2 years ago. I'm just saying we're higher than most think.

With Liberty's facilities and deep pockets, they could actually be considered for a P5 conference, IMO. The politics are what hold them back. Things have changed but I don't think the perception has.

Liberty has a new President who was a military chaplain but is also an academic. He was the college President at college of Charleston for 5 years. So he has experience. But you are right, Jerry Falwell Jr set Liberty back a lot. Most of us wanted him fired for some time. He actually saved the school from bankruptcy years ago, but he was not the right person to be a spiritual leader of the school. I think he knew this but he liked having the power. Hopefully over time LU may be considered but for now we are happy to be in a conference.

(07-31-2023 07:10 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The MWAC even if it’s on the edge of collapsing won’t humiliate themselves by calling the two schools they see as beneath them: UTEP and NMSU. That’ll be their end as a FBS conference and I’m all for it. The sooner they go away the better.

They have made it clear since the WAC breakup announcement in 1998 they don’t want anything to do with UTEP. Not once, twice or thrice. Multiple times. NMSU? They haven’t returned their calls since the 1960’s.

Good bye MWC and good riddance.

I gotta admit, I am kind of in the same boat. They have thumbed their noses at NMSU for a LOOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time and I'm just petty enough to throw a middle finger in their direction when they need help.

But that's just me. Not sure what our administration would do if they decided to pick up the phone and call us.

GO AGGIES!!!!

If there are continued expansions in the Big XII, Pac-12, and ultimately AAC, then it's quite conceivable that if the MWC can't poach anyone quickly they could be down to 6-8 teams. IF that were to occur, I would say the least desirable options from that bunch would probably be Wyoming, San Jose State, Hawaii (FB only), Nevada, Utah State, and either Fresno or New Mexico who would be stuck.

Rather than than having the MWC have a bunch of callups--and/or taking UTEP/NMSU from CUSA--wouldn't it be smarter for both league commissioners to come together and agree merge into one conference? Then you'd have a 16-team league with eight in the west (NMSU/UTEP and westward, and eight in the east (Sam Houston and eastward).

Am I the only one who feels like that would make sense it that type of scenario more than the inevitable outcome of making two leagues weaker? Yes, it would be a literal coast to coast conference but it doesn't appear that geography is all that important anymore.

Discuss...

(08-01-2023 02:37 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Let the record show that major corrections to institutional issues are currently in progress with the newly installed president. Obviously skeptics will need more than lipspeak but honest to goodness fundamental change to structure, governance and mission are underway. Sadly this all should have taken place two years ago when the scandals all broke. But it is now starting to come together.

Where are you getting this information from in regard to structure, governance and mission? Fundamental change infers a large change.

I have seen a governance change with the addition of both a university chancellor and a university president.

(08-01-2023 04:20 PM)bigbelly Wrote:  If there are continued expansions in the Big XII, Pac-12, and ultimately AAC, then it's quite conceivable that if the MWC can't poach anyone quickly they could be down to 6-8 teams. IF that were to occur, I would say the least desirable options from that bunch would probably be Wyoming, San Jose State, Hawaii (FB only), Nevada, Utah State, and either Fresno or New Mexico who would be stuck.

Rather than than having the MWC have a bunch of callups--and/or taking UTEP/NMSU from CUSA--wouldn't it be smarter for both league commissioners to come together and agree merge into one conference? Then you'd have a 16-team league with eight in the west (NMSU/UTEP and westward, and eight in the east (Sam Houston and eastward).

Am I the only one who feels like that would make sense it that type of scenario more than the inevitable outcome of making two leagues weaker? Yes, it would be a literal coast to coast conference but it doesn't appear that geography is all that important anymore.

Discuss...

IMO-- not happening--even though it IS logical.

Why? Same 'ole reasons.

--There are TEN FBS conferences--Each one gets a big share of CFP money (even the G5). The new 12 team playoff opens the door (a little) for a G5 in the playoff--every year. ALSO--this amount is getting ready to possibly triple.
Conferences are NOT going to give that up.

-- Each D1 league gets an NCAA Tourney Auto Bid AND has millions in future NCAA "credits$$" built up which are dispersed over time.
Conferences are NOT going to give that up.

These are the two biggest reasons(plus others) that FBS conferences don't go extinct and don't merge.

MONEY.

Good to see several Liberty posters here with their feet planted firmly on the "ground" of reality.

Some of us cannot reveal sources but have established a historical track record that should indicate a significant amount of validity. I'll just leave it right there.

I'll just say...

IMHO---THE AAC is NOT adding Liberty. Maybe several years from now--several. SBC also says "NO".

Politics and perception. University Presidents make these decisions.

No argument in the near term. But perception is not static even for university presidents.

(08-01-2023 03:43 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 07:10 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The MWAC even if it’s on the edge of collapsing won’t humiliate themselves by calling the two schools they see as beneath them: UTEP and NMSU. That’ll be their end as a FBS conference and I’m all for it. The sooner they go away the better.

They have made it clear since the WAC breakup announcement in 1998 they don’t want anything to do with UTEP. Not once, twice or thrice. Multiple times. NMSU? They haven’t returned their calls since the 1960’s.

Good bye MWC and good riddance.

I gotta admit, I am kind of in the same boat. They have thumbed their noses at NMSU for a LOOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time and I'm just petty enough to throw a middle finger in their direction when they need help.

But that's just me. Not sure what our administration would do if they decided to pick up the phone and call us.

GO AGGIES!!!!

There’s a better chance UNM will be left behind and ask UTEP and NMSU to find them a landing spot in C-USA than the other way around.

(07-31-2023 03:44 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  IMO the AAC will NOT add recent fcs call-ups.

The AAC will try to get Colorado St., AF or ARMY.

Next on the list would be Ga St., Texas St., or ODU.

This is 1,000 percent correct.

(08-01-2023 09:16 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 07:23 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 01:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Liberty was begging conferences for entrance and offered up tens of millions of dollars. No one added them. Now they are a hot commodity and won't stay in CUSA for long (they have been in CUSA for 30 days)? Hmm...

Things have changed drastically within the last 10 years since Liberty first announced their FBS aspirations. Heck it's been even more so since 2021. different folks in charge, different times, and different reasons.

I'm not saying we're at the top of anyone's list, obviously we were no better than 7th place fot the AAC 2 years ago. I'm just saying we're higher than most think.

With Liberty's facilities and deep pockets, they could actually be considered for a P5 conference, IMO. The politics are what hold them back. Things have changed but I don't think the perception has.

I have to disagree with you there.

Look who been call up to the P5 conferences, all have won NY6 or BCS bowl and were consistently ranked except BYU. Liberty hasn’t won or proven anything remotely close to being consider for a P5.

Not mention the politics of Liberty, especially among the academic elites. Look how long it took BYU to get invited plus BYU doesn’t have the “online diploma mill” stigma like Liberty. (not that I think it’s true)

I don’t think Liberty will be consider for the AAC or MWC either.

(08-01-2023 10:48 PM)Goronic Wrote:  

(07-31-2023 03:44 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  IMO the AAC will NOT add recent fcs call-ups.

The AAC will try to get Colorado St., AF or ARMY.

Next on the list would be Ga St., Texas St., or ODU.

This is 1,000 percent correct.

Yeah I’m not too sure about that.

Colorado State and AF explicitly turned down the AAC even after the AAC making a hard sell.

Not to mention the MWC signing GOR agreement with substantial exit fees.

I see the possibility for multiple teams from the AAC being added to PAC12 also so what’s left of the AAC won’t be attractive.


If the reports are true that new adds will receive half of 20 million contract 10 million will be hard sell with the MWC schools especially with 30 million exit fee

AAC schools dont have that plus an extra bump from 6 million to 10 might be enough to persuade them