(08-24-2023 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 11:43 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  I doubt they change that for 2024, that’s the old contract. I could see it changing for the new contract and even then I could see lawsuits flying. Is it worth it for one spot?

I didn't mean for 2024, of course, or not even 2026. Just sometime soon.

It's not a matter of one spot. It's just an excuse for them to do what they have been plotting to do since at least 2010, perhaps, when I first started hearing rumors about that.

They feel like they are the most valuable college sports properties in the country (the SEC and the B1G), and they have always felt they were being underpaid.

They are slowly consolidating power as they can, and eventually, they plan to break away for both football and basketball, and hold their own tourneys.

The question is, how many teams will that eventually involve? Who knows? But their plans are becoming more obvious as time passes.

Interesting on the basketball side. Know how many national titles in the last 10 years have been won by current/future members of the B1G and SEC? zero ...

(08-24-2023 11:10 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 05:01 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 02:35 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  They want to make it where it's only reserved for BIG and SEC schools eventually. The rest of us should give them the bird and have our own playoff to decide a real college champion because those two conferences are fast becoming NFL-Lite

Quote:• The chatter for weeks has been that conferences not named the Big Ten and SEC should be careful about overplaying their hands with revenue or automatic qualifier demands. One source cautioned to The Post that the other conferences risk implosion along the lines of the Pac-12, which greatly overvalued itself in network rights negotiations, if they stand too obstinately in the way of what the Big Ten and SEC want.
• OutKick founder Clay Travis tweeted earlier this month: “Depending on how the CFB playoff criteria are changed, there is also the possibility the SEC & Big Ten create their own 12-team college football playoff and give half the games to ESPN and half to Fox and crown their own champion.”
• The Yahoo Sports story also alluded to the idea that the Big Ten and SEC “are expected to now hold even more clout in the CFP room” in the quest for a greater share of revenue and voting rights and a desire to take the 12 best teams, downplaying the idea of automatic qualifiers from other conferences.

https://archive.is/85Q9v#selection-1775.0-1787.304

I sincerely hope the Big Two Conferences break off and do that, and leave the rest of us to play college football. They also want to do the same thing with basketball, eventually.

Problem is, when they do break off, which networks are going to be interested in paying for "college football." Lot of schools are going to have a problem if they can't get those big money games from SEC or Big 10 teams.

(08-24-2023 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 11:43 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  I doubt they change that for 2024, that’s the old contract. I could see it changing for the new contract and even then I could see lawsuits flying. Is it worth it for one spot?

I didn't mean for 2024, of course, or not even 2026. Just sometime soon.

It's not a matter of one spot. It's just an excuse for them to do what they have been plotting to do since at least 2010, perhaps, when I first started hearing rumors about that.

They feel like they are the most valuable college sports properties in the country (the SEC and the B1G), and they have always felt they were being underpaid.

They are slowly consolidating power as they can, and eventually, they plan to break away for both football and basketball, and hold their own tourneys.

The question is, how many teams will that eventually involve? Who knows? But their plans are becoming more obvious as time passes.

Oh it WILL be changed for 2026.

(08-24-2023 01:17 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 11:43 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  I doubt they change that for 2024, that’s the old contract. I could see it changing for the new contract and even then I could see lawsuits flying. Is it worth it for one spot?

I didn't mean for 2024, of course, or not even 2026. Just sometime soon.

It's not a matter of one spot. It's just an excuse for them to do what they have been plotting to do since at least 2010, perhaps, when I first started hearing rumors about that.

They feel like they are the most valuable college sports properties in the country (the SEC and the B1G), and they have always felt they were being underpaid.

They are slowly consolidating power as they can, and eventually, they plan to break away for both football and basketball, and hold their own tourneys.

The question is, how many teams will that eventually involve? Who knows? But their plans are becoming more obvious as time passes.

Interesting on the basketball side. Know how many national titles in the last 10 years have been won by current/future members of the B1G and SEC? zero ...

That's funny. I wasn't sure about it, but I almost mentioned that possibility when I wrote that.

(08-24-2023 01:42 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 11:43 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  I doubt they change that for 2024, that’s the old contract. I could see it changing for the new contract and even then I could see lawsuits flying. Is it worth it for one spot?

I didn't mean for 2024, of course, or not even 2026. Just sometime soon.

It's not a matter of one spot. It's just an excuse for them to do what they have been plotting to do since at least 2010, perhaps, when I first started hearing rumors about that.

They feel like they are the most valuable college sports properties in the country (the SEC and the B1G), and they have always felt they were being underpaid.

They are slowly consolidating power as they can, and eventually, they plan to break away for both football and basketball, and hold their own tourneys.

The question is, how many teams will that eventually involve? Who knows? But their plans are becoming more obvious as time passes.

Oh it WILL be changed for 2026.

I meant the breakaway, not the CFP rules.

(08-24-2023 01:41 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 11:10 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 05:01 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 02:35 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  They want to make it where it's only reserved for BIG and SEC schools eventually. The rest of us should give them the bird and have our own playoff to decide a real college champion because those two conferences are fast becoming NFL-Lite

Quote:• The chatter for weeks has been that conferences not named the Big Ten and SEC should be careful about overplaying their hands with revenue or automatic qualifier demands. One source cautioned to The Post that the other conferences risk implosion along the lines of the Pac-12, which greatly overvalued itself in network rights negotiations, if they stand too obstinately in the way of what the Big Ten and SEC want.
• OutKick founder Clay Travis tweeted earlier this month: “Depending on how the CFB playoff criteria are changed, there is also the possibility the SEC & Big Ten create their own 12-team college football playoff and give half the games to ESPN and half to Fox and crown their own champion.”
• The Yahoo Sports story also alluded to the idea that the Big Ten and SEC “are expected to now hold even more clout in the CFP room” in the quest for a greater share of revenue and voting rights and a desire to take the 12 best teams, downplaying the idea of automatic qualifiers from other conferences.

https://archive.is/85Q9v#selection-1775.0-1787.304

I sincerely hope the Big Two Conferences break off and do that, and leave the rest of us to play college football. They also want to do the same thing with basketball, eventually.

Problem is, when they do break off, which networks are going to be interested in paying for "college football." Lot of schools are going to have a problem if they can't get those big money games from SEC or Big 10 teams.

Well, that's the sword they're hanging over everyone else's heads to get their way, right?

At some point, somebody will offer them insane money, and they'll go, and the rest of us will be playing for FCS money, lol.

You know, like we used to do 50 years ago?

I suspect that 5+7 will be the new format, likely for 2026 and beyond and maybe even for 2024-2025.

The PAC will be a "G" conference from 2024 onwards, and the idea behind 6+6 was to have one more slot for champs than there are P5 conferences, thus guaranteeing a spot for a G-conference. Well, there will only be four non-G conferences from 2024 onwards, so 5 guaranteed slots makes more sense, I think.

Sure, any of the 10 conferences or Notre Dame could sink any changes for 2024 and 2025 by using their veto, but IMO it doesn't make sense to antagonize the SEC over this. There's no long run profit in that, unless the B1G is opposed to the SEC, which I do not think they will be.

We'll see.

George Kliakov still has a vote as the pac12 commissioner and he isn’t voting for the 5-7 model as long as the conference still has members in it.

Remember , all 11 votes have to be unanimous until ‘25. Ten conference commissioners + Notre Dame

This could very well default back to the four team playoffs for ‘24 and ‘25 if this issue isn’t settled.

(08-27-2023 12:53 AM)Acres Wrote:  George Kliakov still has a vote as the pac12 commissioner and he isn’t voting for the 5-7 model as long as the conference still has members in it.

Remember , all 11 votes have to be unanimous until ‘25. Ten conference commissioners + Notre Dame

This could very well default back to the four team playoffs for ‘24 and ‘25 if this issue isn’t settled.

I doubt the 4 team happens, due to the money involved. IF the Pac rebuilds (who knows?), I could see a compromise 6+6, just to get the ball rolling, THEN switch to 5+7 for 2026.

OR, what they really want is best 12, and screw the G5 completely, which could also happen in 2026.

(08-27-2023 05:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 12:53 AM)Acres Wrote:  George Kliakov still has a vote as the pac12 commissioner and he isn’t voting for the 5-7 model as long as the conference still has members in it.

Remember , all 11 votes have to be unanimous until ‘25. Ten conference commissioners + Notre Dame

This could very well default back to the four team playoffs for ‘24 and ‘25 if this issue isn’t settled.

I doubt the 4 team happens, due to the money involved. IF the Pac rebuilds (who knows?), I could see a compromise 6+6, just to get the ball rolling, THEN switch to 5+7 for 2026.

OR, what they really want is best 12, and screw the G5 completely, which could also happen in 2026.

I would love for straight-12 or best-12 to be the format, but I doubt it will be. IMO if that was implemented, the Gs would run to Congress for help, or the courts with antitrust complaints, and it would get messy. There would also be a lot of sympathetic to the Gs harping in the media about the greed of the Ps and keeping out the little guy, etc.

Best politically for the P2 to make sure that one G gets in every year, I think.

(08-27-2023 08:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 05:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 12:53 AM)Acres Wrote:  George Kliakov still has a vote as the pac12 commissioner and he isn’t voting for the 5-7 model as long as the conference still has members in it.

Remember , all 11 votes have to be unanimous until ‘25. Ten conference commissioners + Notre Dame

This could very well default back to the four team playoffs for ‘24 and ‘25 if this issue isn’t settled.

I doubt the 4 team happens, due to the money involved. IF the Pac rebuilds (who knows?), I could see a compromise 6+6, just to get the ball rolling, THEN switch to 5+7 for 2026.

OR, what they really want is best 12, and screw the G5 completely, which could also happen in 2026.

I would love for straight-12 or best-12 to be the format, but I doubt it will be. IMO if that was implemented, the Gs would run to Congress for help, or the courts with antitrust complaints, and it would get messy. There would also be a lot of sympathetic to the Gs harping in the media about the greed of the Ps and keeping out the little guy, etc.

Best politically for the P2 to make sure that one G gets in every year, I think.

Generous of you, quo.