(08-25-2023 10:30 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Plus it has SMU, who is nearing the goal line with the ACC. Subtract SMU from the AAC, and all of a sudden the MWC looks a lot more appealing.

Losing SMU won't be shifting the needle.

(08-25-2023 10:15 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 09:12 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 08:59 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Quote:While geographically a merger or entrance into the Mountain West is more sensible, the American offers a potentially more lucrative package. Through its partnership with ESPN, AAC teams earn an average of about $8 million to $9 million in annual distribution. In their deal with CBS Sports Network and Fox, MWC teams earn about $5 million to $6 million.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-mwc-aac...25248.html

I tried to tell you guys.

OP:

(08-10-2023 10:48 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  #3 AAC has a higher media payout than the MWC

Nope. These were your actual predictions in the OP:

(08-10-2023 10:48 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  #1 PAC-4 needs to merge with someone to get grandfathered into a Linear Media deal

#2 The MWC media deal has the Boise State carve out, that’s not something you can accept as a PAC-4

You only used #3 as a point to support Cal/Stanford joining the AAC. You don't get to go back and pretend you were only talking about WSU/OSU.

ACC won't invite Cal/Stanford.

The SMU-Stanford relationship only enhances the odds of Cal/Stanford to AAC.

If Calford don't join the ACC, odds are extremely high that the Pac survives and rebuilds. Even if they DO join the ACC, the Pac survives and rebuilds, just perhaps by hoovering up an entire Conference instead of the top half of both the MWC and AAC.

(08-25-2023 10:34 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  If Calford don't join the ACC, odds are extremely high that the Pac survives and rebuilds. Even if they DO join the ACC, the Pac survives and rebuilds, just perhaps by hoovering up an entire Conference instead of the top half of both the MWC and AAC.

There will be no "best of the rest" raid scenario with a depleted PAC2.

(08-10-2023 10:48 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

#1 PAC-4 needs to merge with someone to get grandfathered into a Linear Media deal

Media deals can be reached. Reportedly, the PAC-10 would have had a $30m deal with ESPN about a year ago, except someone in the PAC-10 had unrealistic expectations.

Quote: #2 The MWC media deal has the Boise State carve out, that’s not something you can accept as a PAC-4

The PAC-4 would be likely to rebuild, from the best of the MWC and the western AAC, from among those schools that Stanford and Cal would accept.

Where "needing to merge" may come in is if the PAC-2/3 is looking at what to do, as we now have to hear whether Stanford is looking to go for football independence.

Quote: #3 AAC has a higher media payout than the MWC

For legacy incumbent members. Stanford, if they join, would come in at $7m. Cal would then insist (whether or not in line with objective reality), that they have to be treated the same as their rival Stanford.

But would Oregon State and Wazzou come in at $7m or at $2m? If they come in at $7m, how will that sit with the $2m club schools that are senior to them?

Quote: #4 AAC has more AAU members than the MWC

This is a more critical issue for the PAC-4 than the PAC-2/3, but then again for the PAC-4, rebuilding the PAC seems a more appealing approach.

Also, for the PAC-2/3, #5, the MWC has far more California based members than the AAC, and access to California is important to Oregon State and Mizzou.

(08-25-2023 10:36 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  For legacy incumbent members. Would Oregon State and Wazzou come in at $7m or at $2m? If they come in at $7m, how will that sit with the $2m club schools that are senior to them?

They'll be happy to find themselves in a stable AAC.

(08-25-2023 10:30 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 08:25 PM)Comet Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 07:33 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

I'm surprised this quote hasn't shown up in this thread.
It appeared in an ACC thread earlier today.

Surprising that Air Force, Navy and Army didn't make the cut but ECU did.

Because it’s some fan account’s random assortment of weird list of ever changing schools. Not even a rumor, let alone a valid report or source.

Plus it has SMU, who is nearing the goal line with the ACC. Subtract SMU from the AAC, and all of a sudden the MWC looks a lot more appealing.

The MWC has more than 4 teams. People focus on Boise/Fresno/SDSU/AFA, and forget that the MWC still has Hawaii, New Mexico, San Jose, Utah State, and Wyoming. Super bottom heavy. Only UNCC is on par with those teams.

(08-25-2023 10:45 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:30 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 08:25 PM)Comet Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 07:33 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

I'm surprised this quote hasn't shown up in this thread.
It appeared in an ACC thread earlier today.

Surprising that Air Force, Navy and Army didn't make the cut but ECU did.

Because it’s some fan account’s random assortment of weird list of ever changing schools. Not even a rumor, let alone a valid report or source.

Plus it has SMU, who is nearing the goal line with the ACC. Subtract SMU from the AAC, and all of a sudden the MWC looks a lot more appealing.

The MWC has more than 4 teams. People focus on Boise/Fresno/SDSU/AFA, and forget that the MWC still has Hawaii, New Mexico, San Jose, Utah State, and Wyoming. Super bottom heavy. Only UNCC is on par with those teams.

That's some solid homerism right there, not even remotely true. Wyoming and Utah St have historically performed better than half your conference.

(08-25-2023 10:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  That's some solid homerism right there, not even remotely true. Wyoming and Utah St have historically performed better than half your conference.

It's more about "what have you done for me lately?"

(08-25-2023 10:38 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:36 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  For legacy incumbent members. Would Oregon State and Wazzou come in at $7m or at $2m? If they come in at $7m, how will that sit with the $2m club schools that are senior to them?

They'll be happy to find themselves in a stable AAC.

So stable half the schools are trying to get out and SMU is even prostituting their student athletes to forgo compensation for the next seven years.

(08-25-2023 11:14 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:38 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:36 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  For legacy incumbent members. Would Oregon State and Wazzou come in at $7m or at $2m? If they come in at $7m, how will that sit with the $2m club schools that are senior to them?

They'll be happy to find themselves in a stable AAC.

So stable half the schools are trying to get out and SMU is even prostituting their student athletes to forgo compensation for the next seven years.

Reading comprehension and critical thinking will assist you here. Once the dust settles and if the PNW schools were in the AAC, yes, it will be stable.

(08-25-2023 11:23 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 11:14 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:38 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:36 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  For legacy incumbent members. Would Oregon State and Wazzou come in at $7m or at $2m? If they come in at $7m, how will that sit with the $2m club schools that are senior to them?

They'll be happy to find themselves in a stable AAC.

So stable half the schools are trying to get out and SMU is even prostituting their student athletes to forgo compensation for the next seven years.

Reading comprehension and critical thinking will assist you here. Once the dust settles and if the PNW schools were in the AAC, yes, it will be stable.

(08-25-2023 12:15 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 11:23 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 11:14 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:38 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 10:36 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  For legacy incumbent members. Would Oregon State and Wazzou come in at $7m or at $2m? If they come in at $7m, how will that sit with the $2m club schools that are senior to them?

They'll be happy to find themselves in a stable AAC.

So stable half the schools are trying to get out and SMU is even prostituting their student athletes to forgo compensation for the next seven years.

Reading comprehension and critical thinking will assist you here. Once the dust settles and if the PNW schools were in the AAC, yes, it will be stable.

Perhaps pictures are the better way forward for you.

(08-25-2023 10:30 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 08:25 PM)Comet Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 07:33 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

I'm surprised this quote hasn't shown up in this thread.
It appeared in an ACC thread earlier today.

Surprising that Air Force, Navy and Army didn't make the cut but ECU did.

Because it’s some fan account’s random assortment of weird list of ever changing schools. Not even a rumor, let alone a valid report or source.

Plus it has SMU, who is nearing the goal line with the ACC. Subtract SMU from the AAC, and all of a sudden the MWC looks a lot more appealing.

Subtract SMU and there is more room in the AAC....

WSU/OSU to 15.
SDSU, Boise, UNLV, CSU, AFA to 20.
Army to 21 and make it a blackjack.

(08-25-2023 10:36 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-10-2023 10:48 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

#1 PAC-4 needs to merge with someone to get grandfathered into a Linear Media deal

Media deals can be reached. Reportedly, the PAC-10 would have had a $30m deal with ESPN about a year ago, except someone in the PAC-10 had unrealistic expectations.

Quote: #2 The MWC media deal has the Boise State carve out, that’s not something you can accept as a PAC-4

The PAC-4 would be likely to rebuild, from the best of the MWC and the western AAC, from among those schools that Stanford and Cal would accept.

Where "needing to merge" may come in is if the PAC-2/3 is looking at what to do, as we now have to hear whether Stanford is looking to go for football independence.

Quote: #3 AAC has a higher media payout than the MWC

For legacy incumbent members. Stanford, if they join, would come in at $7m. Cal would then insist (whether or not in line with objective reality), that they have to be treated the same as their rival Stanford.

But would Oregon State and Wazzou come in at $7m or at $2m? If they come in at $7m, how will that sit with the $2m club schools that are senior to them?

Quote: #4 AAC has more AAU members than the MWC

This is a more critical issue for the PAC-4 than the PAC-2/3, but then again for the PAC-4, rebuilding the PAC seems a more appealing approach.

Also, for the PAC-2/3, #5, the MWC has far more California based members than the AAC, and access to California is important to Oregon State and Mizzou.

Lets remember, if ESPN is willing to spend money for more late night? Could they offer MWC some money for the merger of the MWC for like $10 to $20 million per school? That would actually get Boise State closer to $30 million along with Fresno State, WSU, OSU and so forth.