Summery, they heard loud and clear about so many fans angry at what went down. It is not from just the PAC fans, but from G5 fans, Big 12 fans etc. Shankey seems to admit that it is his fault for a change for taking OU and Texas that started all of this it seems on The Paul Finebaum show. They beginning to start thinking that only having two conferences is not a very good idea and that it would actually start hurting their business model. Looks like they may keep the PAC 4 as a P5 and access to the playoffs, and backfill that conference with the best G5 schools if Stanford likes it or not. I don't think anybody wants to add anymore schools from the PAC, ACC or the Big 12 right now.

Strange days indeed.

(08-13-2023 06:44 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  Strange days indeed.

Yeah, this guy got flacked all this month for saying the four corner schools will leave for the Big 12. He just realized that those moves were wrong as well. Trying to grab all the best teams from the P5 conferences into 2 conferences will not work either because you still leave some of the best teams behind who are strong. Right now, Clemson was the best team until in recent years when Duke, Wake Forest and Pittsburgh were better than them at times. Those are the three schools would be left out of the big 2. You need a large group of schools from all the conferences to be in the picture, and not just a small handful. Going to like 30 to 40 schools would actually lose a lot of the college football fans which would tank the ratings for the P2.

(08-13-2023 03:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  



Summery, they heard loud and clear about so many fans angry at what went down. It is not from just the PAC fans, but from G5 fans, Big 12 fans etc. Shankey seems to admit that it is his fault for a change for taking OU and Texas that started all of this it seems on The Paul Finebaum show. They beginning to start thinking that only having two conferences is not a very good idea and that it would actually start hurting their business model. Looks like they may keep the PAC 4 as a P5 and access to the playoffs, and backfill that conference with the best G5 schools if Stanford likes it or not. I don't think anybody wants to add anymore schools from the PAC, ACC or the Big 12 right now.

That’s not exactly what he said. He said Sankey talked about changing the new 12-team play off model in a way that would likely decrease access for schools outside the P2. Sounds like Sankey wants to move away from a model that would provide access for the top 6 ranked champs (which guarantees at least one G5 champ makes the playoff and gives even a rebuilt PAC 12 a decent shot of regular playoff participation). Sankey wants to consider fewer guaranteed slots for champions and more ‘at large” slots—-perhaps even moving to all “at large” slots—-which would mean we would rely on a selection committee that is likely to provide little to no access for the G5 or a rebuilt Pac12.

He did say the powers behind college football know people did not like seeing the Pac12 destroyed—-but Sankey was still out there pushing for a playoff model that reduces access for the majority of FBS schools—-so I’m not so sure this guys “they hear the public displeasure” message is all that accurate.

I think it is in the Big 10's best interest that the Pac-12 stay together. If the CFP goes to a 5/7 format, the 5th conference champion could be Stanford or Cal instead of a traditional G5 team. As of now there is a 100% chance a G5 team will get in the playoff. If Stanford or Cal (although technically G5) get in, it won't feel like a G5 team is in the playoff.

(08-13-2023 11:11 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I think it is in the Big 10's best interest that the Pac-12 stay together. If the CFP goes to a 5/7 format, the 5th conference champion could be Stanford or Cal instead of a traditional G5 team. As of now there is a 100% chance a G5 team will get in the playoff. If Stanford or Cal (although technically G5) get in, it won't feel like a G5 team is in the playoff.

It requires a unanimous vote to change it for the last two years of the old CFP deal. So I suspect the 6-6 12 team model will stay in place for 2024 and 2025. However, after that, let’s be honest—-the Big10 and SEC will be calling the shots. The next CFP will probably be more “at large” slots. Maybe a compromise solution is 6-10—-for a 16 team playoff. It would use the exact same time window—-so its a viable option.

Josh Pate have had people inside CFB tell him thing will revert back in 5-10 years but how??

The SEC has no reason to break up in 5-10 years.

The Big 10 will have another contract and teams like FSU want to leave the ACC for more money.

(08-13-2023 11:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 11:11 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I think it is in the Big 10's best interest that the Pac-12 stay together. If the CFP goes to a 5/7 format, the 5th conference champion could be Stanford or Cal instead of a traditional G5 team. As of now there is a 100% chance a G5 team will get in the playoff. If Stanford or Cal (although technically G5) get in, it won't feel like a G5 team is in the playoff.

It requires a unanimous vote to change it for the last two years of the old CFP deal. So I suspect the 6-6 12 team model will stay in place for 2024 and 2025. However, after that, let’s be honest—-the Big10 and SEC will be calling the shots. The next CFP will probably be more “at large” slots. Maybe a compromise solution is 6-10—-for a 16 team playoff. It would use the exact same time window—-so its a viable option.

But, they already heard a lot of displeasure from a lot of fans outside the P2 on this, and it could wind up backfiring on them as well which it sounds like. The P2 could wind up like Bud Light with boycotts. There are still a lot of fanbases not in the P2 not even in the P2. Networks are hearing it as well, and may not even willing to have them add anymore teams.

(08-13-2023 11:30 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  Josh Pate have had people inside CFB tell him thing will revert back in 5-10 years but how??

The SEC has no reason to break up in 5-10 years.

The Big 10 will have another contract and teams like FSU want to leave the ACC for more money.

I don't think there is room in the P2 for anybody else either. As for the G5? It is in their best interests to add G5 schools in the playoffs. An undefeated Boise State team a lot of people would tune in.