(08-16-2023 10:31 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Why aren't they trying to convince Oregon State a d Washington State to join their ranks? It would get them out of a bad spot, and away from Cal and Stanford.

Because a reconstituted pac-4 with the AAC will make more $$$

(08-17-2023 07:08 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Based on the Gloria Nevarez, she seems really passive and not very aggressive in expansion.

Quote:"People throw around merger like, 'Oh, let's just merge!' And first of all, I think those schools need to go through their process, check all the boxes, but there's so much under there. It's just hard to really speculate. There's a lot of due diligence that would need to be done. But from my perspective, we're ready to explore, be innovative, be opportunistic if we have to and if we have that chance. I don't have a priority rank order right now (of outcomes). We'd be open for anything."

https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporte...ealignment

Sounds like she's waiting for them to come to her instead of pursuing them.

I don’t think it’s a passive/aggressive situation, but rather Oregon State and Washington State aren’t making any moves until it’s clear what Stanford and Cal are going to do. I know a lot of people seem to want Oregon State and Washington State to just start acting on their own due to impatience, but everyone needs to realize that they don’t want to be with the “riff raff” (in their eyes) of the G5 any more than Stanford and Cal do. OSU and WSU just don’t have any even hypothetical options of a Big Ten/ACC invite or independence in the way that Stanford and Cal have. The best case scenario for OSU and WSU would be the Pac-4 to rebuild with Stanford and Cal since, even if that’s not a true power conference, they could still argue that they’re higher in the pecking order than the MWC and AAC. (Whether people buy that argument is a different story, but university presidents will tell themselves that.)

So, the MWC can’t really act either way as long as OSU and WSU wait in Stanford and Cal and the prospect of rebuilding the Pac-4 is *completely* *100%* exhausted.

No one is going to willing forfeit 2 years of P5 CFP distributions either to go make peanuts in the MWC.

(08-17-2023 12:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  No one is going to willing forfeit 2 years of P5 CFP distributions either to go make peanuts in the MWC.

I dont know why this is so hard to understand. Plus the $50million or more in NCAA TC's they'd be giving up.

Also, Wash St can not survive on MWC money. They are in serious debt when they were getting $20million a year in media rights.

If stanford and cal are no longer in the picture, an option could be to join the aac for FB only.

The MWC is waiting to see what the Pac4 will do and if the Pac4 try to take MWC schools. The MWC can't do anything until that is decided.

(08-17-2023 12:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 12:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  No one is going to willing forfeit 2 years of P5 CFP distributions either to go make peanuts in the MWC.

I dont know why this is so hard to understand. Plus the $50million or more in NCAA TC's they'd be giving up.

Also, Wash St can not survive on MWC money. They are in serious debt when they were getting $20million a year in media rights.

If stanford and cal are no longer in the picture, an option could be to join the aac for FB only.

SBC football only WE already had Idaho which is only like 10 miles from Pullman

(08-17-2023 12:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 12:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 12:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  No one is going to willing forfeit 2 years of P5 CFP distributions either to go make peanuts in the MWC.

I dont know why this is so hard to understand. Plus the $50million or more in NCAA TC's they'd be giving up.

Also, Wash St can not survive on MWC money. They are in serious debt when they were getting $20million a year in media rights.

If stanford and cal are no longer in the picture, an option could be to join the aac for FB only.

SBC football only WE already had Idaho which is only like 10 miles from Pullman

I think Judy may have something to say about that. She might be charging up the jeep as we speak.

(08-17-2023 12:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 12:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 12:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  No one is going to willing forfeit 2 years of P5 CFP distributions either to go make peanuts in the MWC.

I dont know why this is so hard to understand. Plus the $50million or more in NCAA TC's they'd be giving up.

Also, Wash St can not survive on MWC money. They are in serious debt when they were getting $20million a year in media rights.

If stanford and cal are no longer in the picture, an option could be to join the aac for FB only.

SBC football only WE already had Idaho which is only like 10 miles from Pullman

HA!

(08-17-2023 11:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The best case scenario for OSU and WSU would be the Pac-4 to rebuild with ...

Is rather to get invited to the Big XII.

It's time for the OR and WA legislatures to step up, big time, to make OSU and WSU attractive. What's needed other than paying off their debts? Facilities improvements, etc. ???

(08-17-2023 09:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 09:02 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 08:31 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 10:34 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  The real question should be what is OSU/WSU waiting for. It’s obvious the MWC would vote them in tomorrow if they requested an invite.

Really? The PAC has accumulated enough NCAA credits to equal about 10x the annual MWC media payout. Why would OSU/WSU give that up to join the MWC?

MWC: We’ll join but we want a big chunk of the NCAA credits.
WSU/OSU: No way.
MWC: Enjoy life as an independent.

All OSU/WSU have to do is last one more year in the PAC with or without Stanford/Cal than the others that have already announced leaving to reap the NCAA credits/CFP revenues. It doesn't mean life as an independent thereafter because there is no doubt the MWC invite will be there for years to come - after OSU/WSU collect the PAC revenues. .

What value would OSU and WSU bring on their own?

(08-17-2023 04:24 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 09:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 09:02 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 08:31 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 10:34 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  The real question should be what is OSU/WSU waiting for. It’s obvious the MWC would vote them in tomorrow if they requested an invite.

Really? The PAC has accumulated enough NCAA credits to equal about 10x the annual MWC media payout. Why would OSU/WSU give that up to join the MWC?

MWC: We’ll join but we want a big chunk of the NCAA credits.
WSU/OSU: No way.
MWC: Enjoy life as an independent.

All OSU/WSU have to do is last one more year in the PAC with or without Stanford/Cal than the others that have already announced leaving to reap the NCAA credits/CFP revenues. It doesn't mean life as an independent thereafter because there is no doubt the MWC invite will be there for years to come - after OSU/WSU collect the PAC revenues. .

What value would OSU and WSU bring on their own?

OSU is a more valuable brand than WSU. But, their athletics are going to decline when the money dries up.

(08-16-2023 11:05 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  OSU and WSU are sitting on a lot of money in the PAC. They ain't leaving that for the MWC. If Calford bails, then they likely have 9 or more MWC teams merge into the PAC.

With a new media deal around $5 million per year. Who will pay an exit fee to flee for a former P5 league?

(08-17-2023 12:47 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 11:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The best case scenario for OSU and WSU would be the Pac-4 to rebuild with ...

Is rather to get invited to the Big XII.

It's time for the OR and WA legislatures to step up, big time, to make OSU and WSU attractive. What's needed other than paying off their debts? Facilities improvements, etc. ???

The Big XII is not expanding past 18. Oregon State and Washington State got the short end of the stick in that scenario.

IMO the MW is in a holding pattern, because (a) it would love to add any of the PAC4 schools, but the PAC4 schools IMO have no interest in joining, and (b) if the PAC4 schools want to add MW schools for 2024, the exit fee is prohibitive.

The latter could end up protecting the MW and exposing the AAC to PAC4 losses, as I believe the AAC exit fee is less, and the PAC4 needs schools now, if they are going to rebuild.

In effect, for just one year, 2024, the MW has an ACC-like barrier to exit. But that might be good enough to spare it and hit the AAC, because the PAC4 needs schools for 2024.

(08-17-2023 06:46 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  The MW obviously wants OSU and WSU. Have there been any public statements from MW ADs, etc. on if they want Cal or Stanford? Maybe the holdup is that even the MW can't abide SF/Calistan, in addition to the no-votes from the B1G, Big XII, ACC, and SEC.

Absolutely ridiculous. No knowledge or grasp of the fundamentals of realignment whatsoever.

Cal/Stanford will do everything in their power not to join the MWC, especially with SJSU in it.

If Cal/Stanford wanted to join the MWC, the MWC would take them in a heartbeat. SJSU, among others, would be overjoyed and their administration would be doing cartwheels.

Suggesting the holdup could be the MWC not accepting Cal/Stanford should be a ticket straight to Swaimville.

(08-17-2023 06:32 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:05 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  OSU and WSU are sitting on a lot of money in the PAC. They ain't leaving that for the MWC. If Calford bails, then they likely have 9 or more MWC teams merge into the PAC.

With a new media deal around $5 million per year. Who will pay an exit fee to flee for a former P5 league?

If nine members of the MWC decide to dissolve the conference, there would be no exit fee.

(08-17-2023 07:25 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 06:32 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:05 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  OSU and WSU are sitting on a lot of money in the PAC. They ain't leaving that for the MWC. If Calford bails, then they likely have 9 or more MWC teams merge into the PAC.

With a new media deal around $5 million per year. Who will pay an exit fee to flee for a former P5 league?

If nine members of the MWC decide to dissolve the conference, there would be no exit fee.

And the only way thatd happen is if all 9 were Garunteed a spot in the PAC4, with no media deal however and nothing to offer but empty promises I just don't see it happening. They need to be able to provide hard numbers (like you'd get this much if we added the following) to have a shot.

(08-17-2023 07:25 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 06:32 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:05 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  OSU and WSU are sitting on a lot of money in the PAC. They ain't leaving that for the MWC. If Calford bails, then they likely have 9 or more MWC teams merge into the PAC.

With a new media deal around $5 million per year. Who will pay an exit fee to flee for a former P5 league?

If nine members of the MWC decide to dissolve the conference, there would be no exit fee.

There would be a massive lawsuit, which would find those voting to dissolve in collusion and liable for up to triple damages on the $34M exit fee.

Go ahead take that gamble and answer to the CSU Trustees and the AG about that.

(08-17-2023 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO the MW is in a holding pattern, because (a) it would love to add any of the PAC4 schools, but the PAC4 schools IMO have no interest in joining, and (b) if the PAC4 schools want to add MW schools for 2024, the exit fee is prohibitive.

The latter could end up protecting the MW and exposing the AAC to PAC4 losses, as I believe the AAC exit fee is less, and the PAC4 needs schools now, if they are going to rebuild. ...

Except for SDSU, because the MWC electing to treat their earlier letter as an application to leave means that SDSU can leave for 2024 at the $17m level, not the $34m level (though bearing in mind that the $34m might not hold up in court) ... so if the PAC-4 wants to rebuild with a mix of MWC and AAC schools, it can rebuild to eight with SDSU and three AAC schools (eg, SMU, Rice and UTSA or North Texas), and then rebuilt to 12 in 2025 with four additional MWC schools who give regular 1yr+ notice.

Quote: In effect, for just one year, 2024, the MW has an ACC-like barrier to exit. But that might be good enough to spare it and hit the AAC, because the PAC4 needs schools for 2024.

The PAC needs schools on the way, but it might be able to make do without all of the schools arriving in 2024.

(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 07:25 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 06:32 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:05 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  OSU and WSU are sitting on a lot of money in the PAC. They ain't leaving that for the MWC. If Calford bails, then they likely have 9 or more MWC teams merge into the PAC.

With a new media deal around $5 million per year. Who will pay an exit fee to flee for a former P5 league?

If nine members of the MWC decide to dissolve the conference, there would be no exit fee.

And the only way thatd happen is if all 9 were Garunteed a spot in the PAC4, with no media deal however and nothing to offer but empty promises I just don't see it happening. They need to be able to provide hard numbers (like you'd get this much if we added the following) to have a shot.

It would be a merger, TV will fall into place. There is still a market for sports west of the rockies. What is OSU and WSU going to do, just disappear? And I am sure there are discussions going on regarding different scenarios. I mean, we're talking it on this board so you don't think those actually affected aren't doing the same?