Trump is the man currently But Ramaswamy is the future of the Republican Party . No way the Democrats can beat Him

(08-18-2023 07:23 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(08-18-2023 07:15 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2023 07:04 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-18-2023 06:38 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-18-2023 12:47 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Yeah, ‘cause serving in a subordinate capacity on Team Trump has proved in invaluable stepping stone for so many - - NOT!

Sarah Sanders. Anyone else? I can’t think of any.

I’d like to think that Vivek R. is way too smart to get sucked into the Trump vortex of failure.

Sigh. Line up his failures against his successes for us please. Maybe I'm missing something, convince me.

I put a challenge out there.

Sarah Sanders has increased her political profile post-Trump. Is she really the ONLY one? I honestly don’t know. I’d find that absolutely stunning, if that is in fact the case.

More to the point, it goes directly to the subtopic puts into discussion in this thread: Would it make political sense for V. Ramaswamy to accept a v.p. role on a Trump ticket?

The fact that no one (yet) has offered another example beyond Sarah Sanders of a politically successful Trump team member suggests that he is political poison, and that Mr. Ramaswamy would be wise to keep his distance.

Prove me wrong.

Ron DeSantis is another. Without Trump’s endorsement he loses to that drug addicted homosexual. And where would he be today? Or for that matter Florida.

If you actually believe that over 1.6 million people voted for DeSantis just because Donald Trump told them too (the margin of DeSantis's victory) then that shows extremely poorly on the Trumpsters. I guess they can't be bothered unless dear leader tells them what to do.

TDS is now making you a revisionist of history.

DeSantis won by 36,000 votes out of over 8 million cast in 2018. Trump pushed him in for a win when he was losing in the primary, and pushed him across the line in the general over the dude who overdosed while some dude was in his butt.

Now that Trump isnt helping him anymore, you might see how well its going for him.

(08-19-2023 08:37 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-18-2023 07:23 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(08-18-2023 07:15 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2023 07:04 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-18-2023 06:38 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Sigh. Line up his failures against his successes for us please. Maybe I'm missing something, convince me.

I put a challenge out there.

Sarah Sanders has increased her political profile post-Trump. Is she really the ONLY one? I honestly don’t know. I’d find that absolutely stunning, if that is in fact the case.

More to the point, it goes directly to the subtopic puts into discussion in this thread: Would it make political sense for V. Ramaswamy to accept a v.p. role on a Trump ticket?

The fact that no one (yet) has offered another example beyond Sarah Sanders of a politically successful Trump team member suggests that he is political poison, and that Mr. Ramaswamy would be wise to keep his distance.

Prove me wrong.

Ron DeSantis is another. Without Trump’s endorsement he loses to that drug addicted homosexual. And where would he be today? Or for that matter Florida.

If you actually believe that over 1.6 million people voted for DeSantis just because Donald Trump told them too (the margin of DeSantis's victory) then that shows extremely poorly on the Trumpsters. I guess they can't be bothered unless dear leader tells them what to do.

TDS is now making you a revisionist of history.

DeSantis won by 36,000 votes out of over 8 million cast in 2018. Trump pushed him in for a win when he was losing in the primary, and pushed him across the line in the general over the dude who overdosed while some dude was in his butt.

Now that Trump isnt helping him anymore, you might see how well its going for him.

Real TDS is when someone says I don't think losses by Trump supported candidates can be pinned on Trump nor can wins by candidates he supported be pinned on him either. And then you come in here whining about TDS

We've seen candidates that he's supported both win and lose. It's really that simple... Beyond that I've seen plenty of evidence that shows endorsements do nothing for candidates.

And once again if some of the Trump supporters have to hear their leader endorse someone to figure out who to vote for. Even if it's a hundred thousand of them or so, the number doesn't matter. If they can't decide for themselves they sure are a special kind of stupid.

No worries. Vivek noted he isn’t interested in being anyone’s running mate if offered.

Calm the TDS. Note “my perfect scenario”.

He has some really good ideas and I generally like how he thinks. That said, his foreign policy is naive at best. He see's Ukraine as the biggest threat to the US since the second world war. Really? We dont have a single soldier on the ground there. We just send equipment there. Does he not remember Korea where our guys were dying and Russia just sent equipment? Does he not remember Vietnam----where 55K of our young men died and Russia just sent equipment? You think anyone in Russia thought Korea or Vietnam were the biggest threats to Russia since WWII? Im not saying Ukraine doesnt have importance---but its nowhere even close to the biggest threat to US lives since WWII.

Furthermore his "peace plan" for Ukraine amounts to complete and total surrender. We already cut and ran on our Afghan allies---now he wants to bail on Ukraine too? Who's going to want to be our allies after we establish that kind of track record? Worse yet he somehow believes that giving Putin both the territory he desires and blocking Ukraine from any meaningful security guarantee will somehow get Putin on our side? Based on what? Vivek's plan would not only stab an ally in the back---it would also teach Putin that America will always back down to the combined China-Russia block. Why would Putin disengage with China after that alliance yields complete and total success? Worse yet---who's going to want to be OUR ally in that world? Not only that---it tells China the same thing and makes a Chinese invasion of Taiwan even more likely to occur sooner rather than later. In fact---doing it sooner---before the US can become chip independent---would be to China's advantage.

In a lot of ways I really like Vivek, but there is a reason he has to admit in this interview that his foriegn policy has turned off many potential donors. Its because on some very major points---he seems almost clueless. His over all strategy of breaking up the Russia-China alliance is a good one. His plan to get there is not only a disaster---it wont accomplish his goal and is very likely to only strengthen the Russia/China alliance.

A stick and carrot approach is whats called for if we are to neuter the Russia/China alliance. Peace in Ukraine needs to be a territory for security compromise that both sides can live with--but does not reward Putins military aggression by enforcing a cost (creating real Ukrainian security guarantees--likely NATO membership). By forcing a reasonable fair compromise in Ukraine (territoy for security)---Putin will then know the West (and America) will not back down to the Russia-China alliance (thats the stick). At that point---its time to use the "carrot" of economic cooperation and ending sanctions to motivate China and Russia to veer away from militaristic expansionism and focus on peaceful prosperity---which gives the US the time we need to become energy and chip independent in the next presidential term.

He's too focused on the culture war. The Midwest 'swing' states needed don't care about that in #s enough to win them.