(08-21-2023 01:34 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  So here's a question related to realignment possibly impacting the AAC. I've read in various comments on this board and the East Carolina HTC board that MWC teams Will not have to pay an exit fee in 2 years.

I've read the MWC bylaws which state they have to pay an exit fee equal to triple their conference distribution if they give a 1-year notice before June 30th to exit on June 30th of the next year. If the notice is after June 30th they must pay an exit fee that is 6 times their average (about $34 million) to leave the following June. Also their conference distribution payment will stop and go directly to the conference and they will have to pay all of the fee before they can leave, but they still have to play all of their games until that time.

I haven't read anything concrete that states they will not have to pay an exit fee in 2 years, only that their TV contract will run out. So that's not to say that they won't have to pay an exit fee in 2 years if that's the case.

Does anyone know anything concrete about this?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/m...ylaws_.pdf

I hadn't given this any real thought, but you bring up an excellent point. Scooting out of the MWC for free is predicated on them not renewing or signing a new media contract. Unless they get decimated during this process that is not a likely outcome. That does change the realistic options for both the PAC and AAC with respect to luring any of those teams, which changes any interest I may have had in bringing just WSU and OSU into the AAC.

(08-21-2023 02:49 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:34 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  So here's a question related to realignment possibly impacting the AAC. I've read in various comments on this board and the East Carolina HTC board that MWC teams Will not have to pay an exit fee in 2 years.

I've read the MWC bylaws which state they have to pay an exit fee equal to triple their conference distribution if they give a 1-year notice before June 30th to exit on June 30th of the next year. If the notice is after June 30th they must pay an exit fee that is 6 times their average (about $34 million) to leave the following June. Also their conference distribution payment will stop and go directly to the conference and they will have to pay all of the fee before they can leave, but they still have to play all of their games until that time.

I haven't read anything concrete that states they will not have to pay an exit fee in 2 years, only that their TV contract will run out. So that's not to say that they won't have to pay an exit fee in 2 years if that's the case.

Does anyone know anything concrete about this?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/m...ylaws_.pdf

I hadn't given this any real thought, but you bring up an excellent point. Scooting out of the MWC for free is predicated on them not renewing or signing a new media contract. Unless they get decimated during this process that is not a likely outcome. That does change the realistic options for both the PAC and AAC with respect to luring any of those teams, which changes any interest I may have had in bringing just WSU and OSU into the AAC.

I’ve not read the bylaws but would think that if 4-6 members are looking to leave they will not sign any sort of new media deal which means that they will all indeed be able to leave for free.

(08-21-2023 10:22 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 09:56 AM)Ourland Wrote:  The dissolution of The American and MWC begins on Tuesday.

Reputable source?

No. Just a gut feeling. There's too many schools in The American and MWC that Stanford/Cal won't associate with.

(08-21-2023 02:08 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:54 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:52 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:16 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  My priority is talking my wife into a threesome with Christina Hendricks.

Lol. Seems like you and the OSU AD have similar priorities.

I think the takeaway and the big win is that he seemingly has Christina already on board.

Well, I didn't want to brag.

clt says pics of this christina may be helpful

(08-21-2023 09:46 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Hopefully, these tweets comply with Mod directives. They pertain to the AAC, realignment, and are from reputable sources.

So let me get this straight. If the PAC4 or PAC2 adds a bunch of “G5” teams they are still “P5” but if they merge with the AAC they are considered G5.

Okie dokie. This is all one big joke.

(08-21-2023 03:41 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 10:22 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 09:56 AM)Ourland Wrote:  The dissolution of The American and MWC begins on Tuesday.

Reputable source?

No. Just a gut feeling. There's too many schools in The American and MWC that Stanford/Cal won't associate with.

If a vote to accept CalStan is happening tomorrow, why no smoke? Nobody credible has said anything. Surely there would be something.

(08-21-2023 03:41 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 02:49 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:34 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  So here's a question related to realignment possibly impacting the AAC. I've read in various comments on this board and the East Carolina HTC board that MWC teams Will not have to pay an exit fee in 2 years.

I've read the MWC bylaws which state they have to pay an exit fee equal to triple their conference distribution if they give a 1-year notice before June 30th to exit on June 30th of the next year. If the notice is after June 30th they must pay an exit fee that is 6 times their average (about $34 million) to leave the following June. Also their conference distribution payment will stop and go directly to the conference and they will have to pay all of the fee before they can leave, but they still have to play all of their games until that time.

I haven't read anything concrete that states they will not have to pay an exit fee in 2 years, only that their TV contract will run out. So that's not to say that they won't have to pay an exit fee in 2 years if that's the case.

Does anyone know anything concrete about this?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/m...ylaws_.pdf

I hadn't given this any real thought, but you bring up an excellent point. Scooting out of the MWC for free is predicated on them not renewing or signing a new media contract. Unless they get decimated during this process that is not a likely outcome. That does change the realistic options for both the PAC and AAC with respect to luring any of those teams, which changes any interest I may have had in bringing just WSU and OSU into the AAC.

I’ve not read the bylaws but would think that if 4-6 members are looking to leave they will not sign any sort of new media deal which means that they will all indeed be able to leave for free.

I hadn't thought of that, but sure, that is a way to play it. Schools would go from doing what is best for them--which we all understand--to screwing over your conference mates. Man, this realignment stuff is bad for everyone. We should create an organization to oversee all sports and do what is best for everyone.

(08-21-2023 04:05 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 03:41 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 02:49 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:34 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  So here's a question related to realignment possibly impacting the AAC. I've read in various comments on this board and the East Carolina HTC board that MWC teams Will not have to pay an exit fee in 2 years.

I've read the MWC bylaws which state they have to pay an exit fee equal to triple their conference distribution if they give a 1-year notice before June 30th to exit on June 30th of the next year. If the notice is after June 30th they must pay an exit fee that is 6 times their average (about $34 million) to leave the following June. Also their conference distribution payment will stop and go directly to the conference and they will have to pay all of the fee before they can leave, but they still have to play all of their games until that time.

I haven't read anything concrete that states they will not have to pay an exit fee in 2 years, only that their TV contract will run out. So that's not to say that they won't have to pay an exit fee in 2 years if that's the case.

Does anyone know anything concrete about this?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/m...ylaws_.pdf

I hadn't given this any real thought, but you bring up an excellent point. Scooting out of the MWC for free is predicated on them not renewing or signing a new media contract. Unless they get decimated during this process that is not a likely outcome. That does change the realistic options for both the PAC and AAC with respect to luring any of those teams, which changes any interest I may have had in bringing just WSU and OSU into the AAC.

I’ve not read the bylaws but would think that if 4-6 members are looking to leave they will not sign any sort of new media deal which means that they will all indeed be able to leave for free.

I hadn't thought of that, but sure, that is a way to play it. Schools would go from doing what is best for them--which we all understand--to screwing over your conference mates. Man, this realignment stuff is bad for everyone. We should create an organization to oversee all sports and do what is best for everyone.

Schools have always looked out for themselves first and foremost, casualties be damned. With that said, eventually some may go too far and when that happens you will see politicians get involved; the only reason they have not so far is because none of the bigger brands have been greatly harmed as of yet.

(08-21-2023 01:14 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 09:46 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Hopefully, these tweets comply with Mod directives. They pertain to the AAC, realignment, and are from reputable sources.

I think it would be a good idea to have a thread like this one that ONLY has reputable sources linked in it. No putting in the guys that tweet a prediction of every possible scenario under the sun.

I thought that's exactly what this thread is intended to be, per mod request and OP's intention.

(08-21-2023 03:58 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 03:41 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 10:22 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 09:56 AM)Ourland Wrote:  The dissolution of The American and MWC begins on Tuesday.

Reputable source?

No. Just a gut feeling. There's too many schools in The American and MWC that Stanford/Cal won't associate with.

If a vote to accept CalStan is happening tomorrow, why no smoke? Nobody credible has said anything. Surely there would be something.

I have no idea what’s going on. All I can do is guess. Admittedly, I can also be very ‘negative.’

If Stanford and Cal are rejected, I think they’ll do all they can to rebuild the PAC, no matter the challenge. The ‘optics’ of them joining or merging with a G5 conference would be too much for them to handle. They’ll want to show that they have enough value to rebuild. It also allows them to cherry pick the most desirable schools

I’m afraid The American is about to get raided of 4-6 members. Next year, the MWC will lose 4-6.

I hope Aresco has a trick or two up his sleeve. I’d love for him to prove me wrong.

MWC exit fees:

If you want to leave July 1, 2024, you have to give notice BEFORE July 1, 2023.

IF you do, the fee is $17M. If you give less than a year's notice, it's $34M. Works the same every year. July 1 is the pivot date.

That's why SDSU gave their semi-sorta notice near the end of June, thinking they were about to be invited to the PAC for 2024, and they didn't want to run past July 1, 2023 and thus have to pay $34M rather than $17M. But then, the PAC fell apart.

AAC exit fee is $10 + 27 months notice. Shorter notice than that is negotiable for more money. General negotiation to date has fallen somewhere around $17M.

(08-21-2023 04:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  AAC exit fee is $10 + 27 months notice. Shorter notice than that is negotiable for more money. General negotiation to date has fallen somewhere around $17M.

Have to figure it will be more than $17M since we're looking at 10 months if departing AAC teams join the PAC on July 1, 2024. I don't think I've seen any conference changes not occur on July 1.

The B12 departees paid $18 million with around 2 years notice. UConn paid $17m to leave within 12 months, but that was in 2019 and the stakes for the AAC were much lower.

(08-21-2023 04:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:14 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 09:46 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Hopefully, these tweets comply with Mod directives. They pertain to the AAC, realignment, and are from reputable sources.

I think it would be a good idea to have a thread like this one that ONLY has reputable sources linked in it. No putting in the guys that tweet a prediction of every possible scenario under the sun.

I thought that's exactly what this thread is intended to be, per mod request and OP's intention.

i think the last thread should be re-opened and add "FAN FICTION" to the end of the title. I have some additional thoughts on airports and avgas.

(08-21-2023 04:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  MWC exit fees:

If you want to leave July 1, 2024, you have to give notice BEFORE July 1, 2023.

IF you do, the fee is $17M. If you give less than a year's notice, it's $34M. Works the same every year. July 1 is the pivot date.

That's why SDSU gave their semi-sorta notice near the end of June, thinking they were about to be invited to the PAC for 2024, and they didn't want to run past July 1, 2023 and thus have to pay $34M rather than $17M. But then, the PAC fell apart.

AAC exit fee is $10 + 27 months notice. Shorter notice than that is negotiable for more money. General negotiation to date has fallen somewhere around $17M.

The AAC negotiated early exits before, but are under no obligation to do so.

An exit for 2024 produces a new precedent. The fee will go way up and will be due a lot sooner than before. If I'm the conference my ask would begin at $50M or you can always wait until 11/27.

Yes it can go there if the PAC gets hostile attempting to raid the conference.

(08-21-2023 05:11 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 04:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  MWC exit fees:

If you want to leave July 1, 2024, you have to give notice BEFORE July 1, 2023.

IF you do, the fee is $17M. If you give less than a year's notice, it's $34M. Works the same every year. July 1 is the pivot date.

That's why SDSU gave their semi-sorta notice near the end of June, thinking they were about to be invited to the PAC for 2024, and they didn't want to run past July 1, 2023 and thus have to pay $34M rather than $17M. But then, the PAC fell apart.

AAC exit fee is $10 + 27 months notice. Shorter notice than that is negotiable for more money. General negotiation to date has fallen somewhere around $17M.

The AAC negotiated early exits before, but are under no obligation to do so.

An exit for 2024 produces a new precedent. The fee will go way up and will be due a lot sooner than before. If I'm the conference my ask would begin at $50M or you can always wait until 11/27.

Yes it can go there if the PAC gets hostile attempting to raid the conference.

oh $50m should be firm if you want to bolt at this late date for the pAC in 2024.

This seems like a reputable source to me. But really, the whole concept of a "Reputable Source" is kind of vague. I think to some degree, they are all guessing.

Monday Up Date - Judgement Soon.

1. Stanford, Cal and SMU should know this week if they have a future in ACC. The trio have yet to get the 11 votes needed for membership they remain 1 vote shy. Multiple news outlets are reporting if the conference can't get either FSU, Clemson, UNC and NC. State to vote YES then there's no hope for Stanford, Cal or SMU to join the ACC despite their many concessions including a tiny media rights portion they're willing to accept

https://twitter.com/JWMediaDC/status/169...116011%2F3

(08-21-2023 04:37 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 03:58 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 03:41 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 10:22 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 09:56 AM)Ourland Wrote:  The dissolution of The American and MWC begins on Tuesday.

Reputable source?

No. Just a gut feeling. There's too many schools in The American and MWC that Stanford/Cal won't associate with.

If a vote to accept CalStan is happening tomorrow, why no smoke? Nobody credible has said anything. Surely there would be something.

I have no idea what’s going on. All I can do is guess. Admittedly, I can also be very ‘negative.’

If Stanford and Cal are rejected, I think they’ll do all they can to rebuild the PAC, no matter the challenge. The ‘optics’ of them joining or merging with a G5 conference would be too much for them to handle. They’ll want to show that they have enough value to rebuild. It also allows them to cherry pick the most desirable schools

I’m afraid The American is about to get raided of 4-6 members. Next year, the MWC will lose 4-6.

I hope Aresco has a trick or two up his sleeve. I’d love for him to prove me wrong.

__________________________________________________________
"I hope Aresco has a trick or two up his sleeve. I’d love for him to prove me wrong."

Hate to say this but....I hope you're not holding your breath.
Have already cited his track record. It ain't good.
He pulls off something here and it will be the 1st big thing he will have pulled off.

(08-21-2023 06:19 PM)seurat92 Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 04:37 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 03:58 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 03:41 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 10:22 AM)b2b Wrote:  Reputable source?

No. Just a gut feeling. There's too many schools in The American and MWC that Stanford/Cal won't associate with.

If a vote to accept CalStan is happening tomorrow, why no smoke? Nobody credible has said anything. Surely there would be something.

I have no idea what’s going on. All I can do is guess. Admittedly, I can also be very ‘negative.’

If Stanford and Cal are rejected, I think they’ll do all they can to rebuild the PAC, no matter the challenge. The ‘optics’ of them joining or merging with a G5 conference would be too much for them to handle. They’ll want to show that they have enough value to rebuild. It also allows them to cherry pick the most desirable schools

I’m afraid The American is about to get raided of 4-6 members. Next year, the MWC will lose 4-6.

I hope Aresco has a trick or two up his sleeve. I’d love for him to prove me wrong.

__________________________________________________________
"I hope Aresco has a trick or two up his sleeve. I’d love for him to prove me wrong."

Hate to say this but....I hope you're not holding your breath.
Have already cited his track record. It ain't good.
He pulls off something here and it will be the 1st big thing he will have pulled off.

People put too much on the commissioners — he can only play the cards he has. You can play a good hand badly easier than you can play a bad hand well.

(08-21-2023 06:10 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  This seems like a reputable source to me. But really, the whole concept of a "Reputable Source" is kind of vague. I think to some degree, they are all guessing.

Monday Up Date - Judgement Soon.

1. Stanford, Cal and SMU should know this week if they have a future in ACC. The trio have yet to get the 11 votes needed for membership they remain 1 vote shy. Multiple news outlets are reporting if the conference can't get either FSU, Clemson, UNC and NC. State to vote YES then there's no hope for Stanford, Cal or SMU to join the ACC despite their many concessions including a tiny media rights portion they're willing to accept

https://twitter.com/JWMediaDC/status/169...116011%2F3

Not sure what will change this week to sway the four hold outs.

(08-21-2023 06:25 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 06:10 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  This seems like a reputable source to me. But really, the whole concept of a "Reputable Source" is kind of vague. I think to some degree, they are all guessing.

Monday Up Date - Judgement Soon.

1. Stanford, Cal and SMU should know this week if they have a future in ACC. The trio have yet to get the 11 votes needed for membership they remain 1 vote shy. Multiple news outlets are reporting if the conference can't get either FSU, Clemson, UNC and NC. State to vote YES then there's no hope for Stanford, Cal or SMU to join the ACC despite their many concessions including a tiny media rights portion they're willing to accept

https://twitter.com/JWMediaDC/status/169...116011%2F3

Not sure what will change this week to sway the four hold outs.

How about if Stanford, Cal and SMU all agree to play three games at FSU, Clemson, UNC, and NCSU for each game these four play in California or Texas?