(08-21-2023 01:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (08-21-2023 01:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: (08-21-2023 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: The J6 mopes have been treated MORE than fairly for the most part. I believe the vast majority of them took deals and pleas.
How lenient and kind should we treat people who break into Congress, exactly?
As lenient and kind as we are to anyone else.
As to 'taking deals and please' somehow representing 'fairness'... if your choices are that we prosecute you for sedition which I believe is 20 years max... or you plea out and get two... that doesn't mean that these offers were 'fair'. Fair is compared to 'other in similar situations'. Those who stormed the federal buildings in Portland (iirc) and then looted blocks of city streets for weeks were bailed out by congressmen and then the government 'declined to prosecute'.
What did they give to Ray Epps?
Actually, you don't recall correctly. Most weren't prosecuted because they weren't all that serious...and the city doesn't have the resources the federal government has.
What about my recollection isn't correct? Nothing you said, even if I simply accepted your talking points would make anything I said incorrect.
That said, it isn't true that they weren't prosecuted because they weren't that serious. That's just a lie, Tom. Some people died and many were hospitalized. Billions in damage was done. If you compare crime vs crime, you will see that most of those incidents in these other areas were vastly more serious than 1/6.... and of course you left out the part where I said they stormed Federal Buildings. No molotovs on 1/6. No gun shots except from the police. The reason they weren't prosecuted had nothing to do with state resources since no state resources were required for prosecution of crimes against Federal installations... but instead it was because city and state resources whose job it would have been to protect these surrounding facilities 'declined to cooperate' with Federal investigations. I believe we even talked about some of those instances where Federal officers picked up suspects from the streets, and the local administration actually resisted and protected people from that.... at the urging of their representatives in DC.
Said simply... Few DC protesters wore masks and yet we had thousands of hours of tapes of these people to put an entire story together... mostly because the entire event took place on Federal property... one, cooperating witness.... meanwhile in most other places, Portland in particular... we have people wearing masks.... and the cameras that would have caught them without masks or caught their cars etc were part of a different jurisdiction that declined to cooperate.... for purely political reasons.
I'm not talking about 'most'. 'Most' 1/6 'invaders' similarly were on walking tours taking selfies. Trespassing to be sure, but as you say...,. not that serious. It only takes one person breaking a window to let hundreds of people enter a building.
Quote:Quote:Interfering with a peace officer is the most common charge, followed by disorderly conduct. Both essentially boil down to ignoring an officer’s order or being in the street, according to Juan Chavez, director of the civil rights project at the Oregon Justice Resource Center, which has been involved in several protest-related suits.
“Being in the street is central to people’s speech rights fundamentally and that’s been recognized time and time again,” Chavez said, adding that non-violent crimes account for “99% of the conduct” at protests.
Policing Portland’s protests: 1,000 arrests, handful of prosecutions
And yes, future VP Harris tweeted support for a group in Minnesota that helped defendants. But that group hardly contributed at all to getting anyone out of jail as most were either released quickly and/or had bail amounts around $100.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...rotestors/
J6 boils down to a case of FAFO, sorry, not sorry.
But yeah...stick with Ray Epps causing the whole thing and the CP letting everyone in with a friendly wave a handshake, while ignoring the breaking windows and assaulting cops with myriad objects. Amazing that all of them didn't get acquitted on all charges with that no brainer defense. 
Wow... so someone who would be among the LEADERS of the organization to protect those rioters, and prosecute the 1/6 rioters has an opinion?? Seriously Tom... GREAT source.... and it was not just Kamala.... and you know it.
Yep... ignoring police and 'just being on the grounds' are also most of the charges against 1/6 participants. FTR, 'just being on the street' isn't a crime anywhere, so that's a complete ruse that this was why they were arrested, whether charged or not. Even YOU don't believe that.
As to Ray Epps; leave it to you to jump to conclusions I never said.... and then to contradict yourself. You don't recall the smashing of windows and assault on cops all summer long? Hell, I think a few at some of those events were actually taken out by snipers. All I was pointing out was that Ray Epps wasn't prosecuted for anything, despite clearly being on video leading and encouraging the very acts that you appear to think 'only happened on 1/6'. I only know him because of the conspiracy theories, but one doesn't need to support conspiracies to recognize that he was an instigator and a participant... and yet for some reason, we declined to prosecute him.
I find it funny that in a thread where your argument is that 1/6 protesters were treated 'more than fairly', you want to dismiss a perfect example of a 1/6 protester who actually WAS treated 'more than fairly'.
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