I'm literally laughing at your own sources here Tom.

I've changed the 'bold' from your deflection to the pertinent part...

(09-13-2023 10:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 09:41 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Crime is at an all time high all over the country - But no Trump

Source?

Meanwhile...

Quote:Washington, DC – Homicide and most other violent crimes declined in American cities in the first half of 2023, but they remain above levels seen before the onset of the coronavirus pandemic and nationwide protests that followed the killing of George Floyd, according to a new study of crime trends in 37 cities released today by the Council on Criminal Justice.

Examining homicides in 30 cities that make homicide data readily available, the analysis found that the number of murders in the first half of 2023 fell by 9.4% compared to the first half of 2022 (a decrease of 202 homicides in those cities). Twenty of the study cities recorded a decrease in homicides during the first six months of the year, ranging from a 59% drop in Raleigh, NC, to a 2% drop in Nashville, TN. Ten cities experienced an increase in homicide, ranging from about 5% in Seattle to 133% in Lincoln, NE.

In other findings, gun assaults (-5.6%), robberies (-3.6%), nonresidential burglaries (-5%), larcenies (-4.1%), residential burglaries (-3.8%), and aggravated assaults (-2.5%) all fell in the first six months of this year compared to the same timeframe last year. Drug offenses rose by 1% and domestic violence by 0.3%.

“The decline we see across the major crime categories is encouraging, but our country should not be comfortable with rates of violence that continue to claim thousands of lives each year,” said University of Missouri – St. Louis Professor Emeritus Richard Rosenfeld, co-author of the study and chair of CCJ’s recently formed Crime Trends Working Group. “We now have a solid array of research-backed crime prevention tools at our disposal. Law enforcement, policymakers, and communities should redouble efforts to deploy them.”

Homicide, Other Violent Crimes Decline in U.S. Cities but Remain Above Pre-Pandemic Levels

Full report here.

I can't 'bold' a portion of your link, but the headline is 'crimes decline, but still above pre-pandemic levels'.

So although crime is down from its peak, which mostly took place under Biden... and 2023 is 'below' 2022... whom was President in 2022??

(09-13-2023 09:07 AM)appst89 Wrote:  What have they accomplished? That's an honest question. I can't name one thing they have done.

Bipartisan bill to get money for infrastructure in this country. Our bridges, roads, highways, freeways, rail, electric grids, etc are falling apart. Even the plants to give us clean water to drink are failing. It is way long over do in that area.

(09-14-2023 08:58 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I'm literally laughing at your own sources here Tom.

I've changed the 'bold' from your deflection to the pertinent part...

(09-13-2023 10:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 09:41 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Crime is at an all time high all over the country - But no Trump

Source?

Meanwhile...

Quote:Washington, DC – Homicide and most other violent crimes declined in American cities in the first half of 2023, but they remain above levels seen before the onset of the coronavirus pandemic and nationwide protests that followed the killing of George Floyd, according to a new study of crime trends in 37 cities released today by the Council on Criminal Justice.

Examining homicides in 30 cities that make homicide data readily available, the analysis found that the number of murders in the first half of 2023 fell by 9.4% compared to the first half of 2022 (a decrease of 202 homicides in those cities). Twenty of the study cities recorded a decrease in homicides during the first six months of the year, ranging from a 59% drop in Raleigh, NC, to a 2% drop in Nashville, TN. Ten cities experienced an increase in homicide, ranging from about 5% in Seattle to 133% in Lincoln, NE.

In other findings, gun assaults (-5.6%), robberies (-3.6%), nonresidential burglaries (-5%), larcenies (-4.1%), residential burglaries (-3.8%), and aggravated assaults (-2.5%) all fell in the first six months of this year compared to the same timeframe last year. Drug offenses rose by 1% and domestic violence by 0.3%.

“The decline we see across the major crime categories is encouraging, but our country should not be comfortable with rates of violence that continue to claim thousands of lives each year,” said University of Missouri – St. Louis Professor Emeritus Richard Rosenfeld, co-author of the study and chair of CCJ’s recently formed Crime Trends Working Group. “We now have a solid array of research-backed crime prevention tools at our disposal. Law enforcement, policymakers, and communities should redouble efforts to deploy them.”

Homicide, Other Violent Crimes Decline in U.S. Cities but Remain Above Pre-Pandemic Levels

Full report here.

I can't 'bold' a portion of your link, but the headline is 'crimes decline, but still above pre-pandemic levels'.

So although crime is down from its peak, which mostly took place under Biden... and 2023 is 'below' 2022... whom was President in 2022??

Laugh all you want, chucklehead, but crime is not at an all time high.

(09-14-2023 09:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Laugh all you want, chucklehead, but crime is not at an all time high.

Ok - fair point. Check for TJP...... So I will simply ask:



Is it higher than it was when your arch nemesis was occupying 1600?

And as a follow up - is it now at an "acceptable" for you since it is not at an all time high?

(09-14-2023 09:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Laugh all you want, chucklehead, but crime is not at an all time high.

Oh, you mean TODAY it is not at an all time high? Not 'under Biden' (hence the 'but no Trump' comment) but you're saying that things have been WORSE under Biden than they currently are under Biden. The comparison was Trump (or really any other President).... not 'yesterday'

Liberal logic is beyond hilarious

(09-14-2023 09:46 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Laugh all you want, chucklehead, but crime is not at an all time high.

Ok - fair point. Check for TJP...... So I will simply ask:



Is it higher than it was when your arch nemesis was occupying 1600?

And as a follow up - is it now at an "acceptable" for you since it is not at an all time high?

What level of crime would anyone ever consider acceptable?

(09-14-2023 09:53 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Laugh all you want, chucklehead, but crime is not at an all time high.

Oh, you mean TODAY it is not at an all time high? Not 'under Biden' (hence the 'but no Trump' comment) but you're saying that things have been WORSE under Biden than they currently are under Biden. The comparison was Trump (or really any other President).... not 'yesterday'

I was not making any comparisons or commenting on trump vs. Biden rates. Just refuting the WRONG talking point that crime is at an all time high.

(09-14-2023 10:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:53 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Laugh all you want, chucklehead, but crime is not at an all time high.

Oh, you mean TODAY it is not at an all time high? Not 'under Biden' (hence the 'but no Trump' comment) but you're saying that things have been WORSE under Biden than they currently are under Biden. The comparison was Trump (or really any other President).... not 'yesterday'

I was not making any comparisons or commenting on trump vs. Biden rates. Just refuting the WRONG talking point that crime is at an all time high.

Tom... Your spinning here is ridiculous.

1) I didn't say YOU made ANY comparison. The comparison began with the OP... where his greatest accomplishment was 'stopping Trump'. It continued from there. Yes, I realize that you CHANGED the comparison, which is pretty obviously why I pointed it out.

2) Any time someone makes comparisons, you have to know the time frame. It may be hotter today than any previous day on record, but the month may be cooler than the same month in previous years, or the year cooler than previous years. Contrary to your deflection here, that doesn't make the comment 'wrong'... it just means that you've chosen a clearly different time frame.

I think it pretty obvious that you pointing out that although things are worse under Biden right now than they ever were under Trump or most others, that they are by some measures, not as bad as they were last year under Biden is doing nothing but trying to deflect from the utter and unmitigated failure that Biden (and leftist policies) has (have) been.

Your 'correction' here is petty and is clearly intended to obfuscate the truth. Crime under the Biden administration is arguably (because it's not a single accepted definition) worse than it ever was under any other administration. Nobody cares that it was even worse last year. That's likely mostly based on the fact that 2022 would have been a mid-term election period.

(09-14-2023 10:18 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 10:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:53 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Laugh all you want, chucklehead, but crime is not at an all time high.

Oh, you mean TODAY it is not at an all time high? Not 'under Biden' (hence the 'but no Trump' comment) but you're saying that things have been WORSE under Biden than they currently are under Biden. The comparison was Trump (or really any other President).... not 'yesterday'

I was not making any comparisons or commenting on trump vs. Biden rates. Just refuting the WRONG talking point that crime is at an all time high.

Tom... Your spinning here is ridiculous.

1) I didn't say YOU made ANY comparison. The comparison began with the OP... where his greatest accomplishment was 'stopping Trump'. It continued from there. Yes, I realize that you CHANGED the comparison, which is pretty obviously why I pointed it out.

2) Any time someone makes comparisons, you have to know the time frame. It may be hotter today than any previous day on record, but the month may be cooler than the same month in previous years, or the year cooler than previous years. Contrary to your deflection here, that doesn't make the comment 'wrong'... it just means that you've chosen a clearly different time frame.

I think it pretty obvious that you pointing out that although things are worse under Biden right now than they ever were under Trump or most others, that they are by some measures, not as bad as they were last year under Biden is doing nothing but trying to deflect from the utter and unmitigated failure that Biden (and leftist policies) has (have) been.

Your 'correction' here is petty and is clearly intended to obfuscate the truth. Crime under the Biden administration is arguably (because it's not a single accepted definition) worse than it ever was under any other administration. Nobody cares that it was even worse last year. That's likely mostly based on the fact that 2022 would have been a mid-term election period.

You REALLY need to stop reading something into everything I post. I've told you this countless times over the years.

THAT is what is ridiculous!

(09-14-2023 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

You REALLY need to stop reading something into everything I post. I've told you this countless times over the years.

THAT is what is ridiculous!

Reading something into it? I only read PRECISELY what you wrote.

You're deflecting (again) because you know you can't support Biden, but you also apparently can't let anyone tell the truth about him either... instead you have to try and control the narrative....

so you don't admit that crime is much higher under Biden than it was, you instead make some pedantic 'it depends on what the definition of 'is' is' argument, and then when called out on that, you then go off on THIS tangent.

Parry, dodge, deflect and attack. That's your MO.... because you can't point to a single thing that Biden has done that has been worth a damn... certainly nothing that has been worth all of the damage he has done.

I think SOMEBODY said something about infrastructure... but from memory, that was about a 600byn bill (over many years).... so what about the OTHER (who even counts the billions anymore) IDK, 7 trillion dollars in 'additional' spending?

I mean, you can't pass ANY bill without SOMETHING being 'not terrible'... but it's like spending $500mm on a Yugo and then bragging that you can 'get to work'.