I know there are issues with it but always good to look at where each ranks and movement.
National Rankings
Rice #17
Tulane #73
SMU #89
Temple #89
USF #89
UAB #142
Charlotte #178
Tulsa #195
ECU #195
FAU #209
North Texas #260
Memphis #269
UTSA #280

Navy #3 in Liberal Arts

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/sea...ection=asc

UTSA mbb holds the academics back.

slhNavy91, question for you, did you have Dr. David Allen White as a professor at USNA?

I know he's been retired for about 15 years but seeing the Liberal Arts ranking of USNA I can't help but think that his fingerprints are all over this even today. A very learned man that seemed to have an outsized impact on everything he touched. Just curious.

Shoot me an IM if you prefer. Thanks

Wish we were as good at football as we are at school.

(09-18-2023 07:41 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  UTSA mbb holds the academics back.

then why is Memphis so close to UTSA in the rankings?

What happened to the USNWR ranking system- Tulane drops from 43 to 73 in one year? That's ridiculous, we're doing nothing different from 1 year ago.

(09-18-2023 09:00 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  slhNavy91, question for you, did you have Dr. David Allen White as a professor at USNA?

I know he's been retired for about 15 years but seeing the Liberal Arts ranking of USNA I can't help but think that his fingerprints are all over this even today. A very learned man that seemed to have an outsized impact on everything he touched. Just curious.

Shoot me an IM if you prefer. Thanks

I graduated a year before slhNavy91 and I never heard of him, but I was an engineering major so I don't know if I would have run into him anyway.

I will tell you that the liberal arts degrees at USNA are probably nothing special (though good). They actually grant only BS degrees so even if English or History/Political Science degrees are granted as a BS; and we only have like 5 non-STEM majors.

USNA and the other service academies are ranked as liberal arts colleges because they don't know where else to put them. They used to rank us against universities, but that isn't really right either. We are odd birds.

(09-18-2023 09:31 AM)tufinal4 Wrote:  What happened to the USNWR ranking system- Tulane drops from 43 to 73 in one year? That's ridiculous, we're doing nothing different from 1 year ago.

Or maybe other schools got better? Just a thought...

(09-18-2023 09:31 AM)tufinal4 Wrote:  What happened to the USNWR ranking system- Tulane drops from 43 to 73 in one year? That's ridiculous, we're doing nothing different from 1 year ago.

I read that they massaged the criteria to put less emphasis on small class sizes. Some private schools dropped on just that.

(09-18-2023 09:12 AM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Wish we were as good at football as we are at school.

Imagine if UAB's athletics programs were on the same level as its post-grad. One can dream.

Quote:But more than a dozen public universities, many of them with relatively low profiles, climbed at least 50 spots in the rankings. Fresno State moved up 64 places, to No. 185, for instance, and Florida Atlantic ascended 53, to No. 209. Many other public institutions recorded smaller, if notable, gains, like Rutgers, which saw each of its three campuses rise by at least 15 places.

Private universities proved particularly vulnerable to the new formula. Small class size, which was 8 percent of a score a year ago, is a matter of pride for many elite institutions. Its disappearance from the algorithm played a role in some top schools’ rankings tumbling.

The University of Chicago, No. 6 last year, moved down to No. 12. Dartmouth declined six places to finish at No. 18. Washington University in St. Louis, which was No. 15 last year, slipped to 24th. Brandeis, now ranked 60th, fell 16 spots, almost as much as Wake Forest, which declined 18 spots to tie for No. 47. Tulane went to No. 73 from No. 44.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/us/us...nking.html

(09-18-2023 10:17 AM)dragon2owl Wrote:  

Quote:But more than a dozen public universities, many of them with relatively low profiles, climbed at least 50 spots in the rankings. Fresno State moved up 64 places, to No. 185, for instance, and Florida Atlantic ascended 53, to No. 209. Many other public institutions recorded smaller, if notable, gains, like Rutgers, which saw each of its three campuses rise by at least 15 places.

Charlotte moved up 41 spots.

I think this our highest ranking ever!

(09-18-2023 09:12 AM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Wish we were as good at football as we are at school.

You are sans UA med school

(09-18-2023 10:17 AM)dragon2owl Wrote:  

Quote:But more than a dozen public universities, many of them with relatively low profiles, climbed at least 50 spots in the rankings. Fresno State moved up 64 places, to No. 185, for instance, and Florida Atlantic ascended 53, to No. 209. Many other public institutions recorded smaller, if notable, gains, like Rutgers, which saw each of its three campuses rise by at least 15 places.

Private universities proved particularly vulnerable to the new formula. Small class size, which was 8 percent of a score a year ago, is a matter of pride for many elite institutions. Its disappearance from the algorithm played a role in some top schools’ rankings tumbling.

The University of Chicago, No. 6 last year, moved down to No. 12. Dartmouth declined six places to finish at No. 18. Washington University in St. Louis, which was No. 15 last year, slipped to 24th. Brandeis, now ranked 60th, fell 16 spots, almost as much as Wake Forest, which declined 18 spots to tie for No. 47. Tulane went to No. 73 from No. 44.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/us/us...nking.html

Yeah they changed the criteria. Their perogative.

Its really pretty much AAU or not AAU for research unis.

(09-18-2023 10:46 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 10:17 AM)dragon2owl Wrote:  

Quote:But more than a dozen public universities, many of them with relatively low profiles, climbed at least 50 spots in the rankings. Fresno State moved up 64 places, to No. 185, for instance, and Florida Atlantic ascended 53, to No. 209. Many other public institutions recorded smaller, if notable, gains, like Rutgers, which saw each of its three campuses rise by at least 15 places.

Charlotte moved up 41 spots.

Memphis is 269? unpossible. We is R1.

(09-18-2023 11:05 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 09:12 AM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Wish we were as good at football as we are at school.

You are sans UA med school

Everyone’s certainly entitled to their wrong opinion.

(09-18-2023 09:39 AM)Vonz90 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 09:00 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  slhNavy91, question for you, did you have Dr. David Allen White as a professor at USNA?

I know he's been retired for about 15 years but seeing the Liberal Arts ranking of USNA I can't help but think that his fingerprints are all over this even today. A very learned man that seemed to have an outsized impact on everything he touched. Just curious.

Shoot me an IM if you prefer. Thanks

I graduated a year before slhNavy91 and I never heard of him, but I was an engineering major so I don't know if I would have run into him anyway.

I will tell you that the liberal arts degrees at USNA are probably nothing special (though good). They actually grant only BS degrees so even if English or History/Political Science degrees are granted as a BS; and we only have like 5 non-STEM majors.

USNA and the other service academies are ranked as liberal arts colleges because they don't know where else to put them. They used to rank us against universities, but that isn't really right either. We are odd birds.

Roger that. He was an English professor there for 38 years. I know him through Catholic circles and his involvement in Christendom College in Front Royal, VA, so was just curious. He's a brilliant guy. Thanks for the reply Vonz.

(09-18-2023 07:41 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  UTSA mbb holds the academics back.

True statement.