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Who is going to pay for the top tier with what is left. It's unlikely the Rose Bowl will stay with the Pac 2, since the Big 10 will claim the Rose Bowl contract has been broken.
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New Twist

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2023/...posal.html

Quote:Boise State associate athletic director Michael Walsh has formulated a college football proposal, which would relegate and promote teams based on success,...

Per the report, Walsh has written a plan for a three-tiered alliance of 24 FBS football teams in Pacific and Central time zones...

The proposal suggest the Mountain West and Pac-12, as well as regional teams from the AAC, Conference USA, or WAC could take part...

Walsh pointed to NBC/Peacock, Apple and Amazon as potential partners.
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(09-20-2023 12:40 PM)Meow Wrote:  
(09-20-2023 09:47 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(09-20-2023 09:41 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Don’t think this would work. As some said on earlier posts imagine your budget dropping from one year to the next and not being able to plan ahead on what budget you would have.

Based on my experience with budgeting, it is a challenge but not a deal killer.

The European Premier League offers parachute payments to teams that are relegated to the Championship league. Perhaps that could be an option for teams demoted from the PAC to the MWC?
the E in EPL is for English.
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(09-20-2023 02:06 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  New Twist

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2023/...posal.html

Quote:Boise State associate athletic director Michael Walsh has formulated a college football proposal, which would relegate and promote teams based on success,...

Per the report, Walsh has written a plan for a three-tiered alliance of 24 FBS football teams in Pacific and Central time zones...

The proposal suggest the Mountain West and Pac-12, as well as regional teams from the AAC, Conference USA, or WAC could take part...

Walsh pointed to NBC/Peacock, Apple and Amazon as potential partners.

Please! Do this while Tulane has a decent team! We need to shine while we can and get a life raft to the ACC
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(09-20-2023 02:06 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  New Twist

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2023/...posal.html

Quote:Boise State associate athletic director Michael Walsh has formulated a college football proposal, which would relegate and promote teams based on success,...

Per the report, Walsh has written a plan for a three-tiered alliance of 24 FBS football teams in Pacific and Central time zones...

The proposal suggest the Mountain West and Pac-12, as well as regional teams from the AAC, Conference USA, or WAC could take part...

Walsh pointed to NBC/Peacock, Apple and Amazon as potential partners.

Unfortunately, I doubt the Vanderbilt's of college football will be willing to abandon their welfare check in favor of advancement based on merit.
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(09-20-2023 11:27 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  
(09-20-2023 12:40 PM)Meow Wrote:  
(09-20-2023 09:47 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(09-20-2023 09:41 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Don’t think this would work. As some said on earlier posts imagine your budget dropping from one year to the next and not being able to plan ahead on what budget you would have.

Based on my experience with budgeting, it is a challenge but not a deal killer.

The European Premier League offers parachute payments to teams that are relegated to the Championship league. Perhaps that could be an option for teams demoted from the PAC to the MWC?
the E in EPL is for English.

Yes, it was a typo.
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(09-21-2023 01:46 AM)STL_Wave Wrote:  
(09-20-2023 02:06 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  New Twist

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2023/...posal.html

Quote:Boise State associate athletic director Michael Walsh has formulated a college football proposal, which would relegate and promote teams based on success,...

Per the report, Walsh has written a plan for a three-tiered alliance of 24 FBS football teams in Pacific and Central time zones...

The proposal suggest the Mountain West and Pac-12, as well as regional teams from the AAC, Conference USA, or WAC could take part...

Walsh pointed to NBC/Peacock, Apple and Amazon as potential partners.

Please! Do this while Tulane has a decent team! We need to shine while we can and get a life raft to the ACC

Do us all a favor... Get the hell out now and go back to independence.
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(09-20-2023 02:06 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  Walsh pointed to NBC/Peacock, Apple and Amazon as potential partners.


49RFBN points to Selma Hayek, Cherlize Theron, Christiana Hendricks, Sofia Vergara, and Halle Berry as potential partners.
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Several weeks ago I proposed a full merger with the MWC that would be predicated on a similar inequal revenue distribution and promotion/relegation system. The best performing schools would get the most money and the 'more attractive' schedules based on wins and losses.

If the presidents were behind the idea, it's not too late to propose this to the MWC and PAC2. We could become one gigantic, 32-school, conference with two separate tiers. It would give all schools access to all markets across the country in football and basketball, while rewarding the top performers.

The top four from 'Group B' move up to 'Group A' every year, while the bottom four in 'Group A' are relegated to 'Group B.'

This could be a great way to create more interesting matchups for television.
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For what its worth, the value of signing an AAC GOR once Army is on board is as high as it is ever going to get.
It was highest value amount before the previous defections of Houston and teams, and the value goes down drastically if there is realistically no chance of schools leaving.

According to the Associated Press Article on it, Aresco is not a fan of relagation, and I am glad he put it out there. He is also going to fight against any changes to the 6 champion slots for new playoff.
Regardless of what happens, just happy to see someone out there communicating these things. It take a lot of courage and bravery to go against injustice.

The Pac 2 + MWC know they need eastern time slots. And in all honesty, those PAC 2. Search your feelings. All those P5 autonomous schools are in a club, and they will take care of their own. I embrace being wrong, and having the ability and human condition to be wrong. THAT is my freedom. But, I would bet they get taken care of and go to big 12. So... USF is going to go play out west with standard MWC schools? at what, midnight eastern? Tulane going to do that?

I find it atrocious that California schools are going to an Atlantic conference. Sorry that highlights a lot of things that are sdrawkcab with reality right now. But with this comparison, I see so many Memphis fans are like We are so far west, we are closer in common with the streets of California and San Francisco and the entirety of the West Coast than you do remotely anything to do with the Eastern side of the US. Okay, I am not one going to snow on your parade, because obviously when people want to visit Mt Ranier and even Alaska, the first place I will recommend those tourists is to head over to Tennessee, right? I dont know. Family vacation to Disney Land which is right down the road, instead of Dollywood or Pigeon Forge, or a visit to Jack Daniels or the Appalachian Trail.. naw, those are too far away.

If you made it this far:
TLDR - PAC2 - MWC, is only MWC because PAC2 will go to big12. AAC is greater than the MWC. Sign a GoR and get paid high value for that while there is any threat, because with the Army Addition, capitalize on these rumors for high dollar. Whether or not Tulane and Memphis have more in common with Alaska and the Pacific Ocean, in the end it doesnt matter because it could be correct. But what does matter is the money over wins and losses. Maximize the rest of this Deal with way more money.
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In the end, I guess my hands are up. I am so unbelievably sick and tired of people trashing on our schools and our conference. We allow so many trolls on here to smack talk, and see things like " AAC is not attractive, No one wants these schools, mistakes were made, there will be no competition." I get it, these are the things you have got to say if you are not in The American.

Let me be one of the first to say, I have made some communication against the AAC Line on the last round, but I realize the stakes, and more importantly my mistakes. SMU was a valued conference member, do I turn around on them and throw shade if I percieve they are stealing an ECU spot in the ACC? I have to hope that they are a Yes vote if ACC crashes. I have to believe the positive here.

I apologize for the things I have thought and wrote about any of these new members, and I will go one step further and also to the Sun belt, because I do value Marshall and USM highly. Again, I value App St, but from a student there as a freshman, I know they have a ceiling, and i do not like ceilings with regard to potential being capped.

I think we have ALOT to offer the world, I think this group of schools we have is worth signing a GOR for, and worthy of excitement. I am sorry for making anyone here now feel like they are not worth of being an Autonomous school or Power Conference. I am just sick and tired of bashing on this conference. We are going to take some losses this year, ECU is already terrible, but I believe in the futures of UNT, UTSA, UAB, FAU, Charlotte, Rice, Army, and the AAC Remainers. I love our brand, our Conference Logo, and growing in my enjoyment of our Conference makeup. Maybe I just believe the media and marketing too much, I could fall into that trap. But I just feel this entire site is extremely anti AAC. And whatever this relegation is, it is beneath all of us. Good Luck to us all.
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Good posts. Agree.
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Agree, this is the perfect time for a GOR if it stabilizes things and buys everyone a pay raise. Time it to match the ACC GOR for those interested in the next round of musical chairs
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(09-20-2023 08:15 AM)Nameless Wrote:  I actually really like this idea. I currently don’t give a rat’s ass about either conference, but I would be immediately be interested in those relegation games every season. I have two main lines of thought after reading the article:

1.) Do you relegate for every individual sport? Feel like this is best from a competition standpoint, but would really confuse casual fans and potentially turn them off a bit as a result. Imagine your school playing 16 sports, with like 9 in the Pac and 7 in the MWC. Would be a lot even for diehards to keep up with. If you don’t do it by individual sports, would you do one for football and one for all Olympic sports? If done for all Olympic sports, would basketball be weighted significantly higher since it is a revenue sport? Lot of things to consider here.

2.) If the money were right (I think it would be, relegation games should bring in good viewership) would schools like Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, etc be interested if the two league conference came calling? I think if the Pac is able to retain an auto bid it would have to be worth it, even if the TV money and travel combined came out to be a net negative. I think the leagues would rather add from the top of the AAC than NDSU and South Dakota State. As much as I would hate to see this league further decimated by departures, I would be happy for fans of the 2 schools they grab.

No idea what the answers are here, it certainly is an interesting thing to examine
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100%!
This is a lure to other G5's. The PAC would absolutely want to take an AAC school than SDSU..(Not sure about NDSU tho---they are attrative). Doesn't have to be 16 teams either. In any case....if that PAC came-a-callin' on the Tulsa's and Tulane's of the AAC do they go?
I feel Memphis could go anytime they want if they & the PAC want to deal with all the $$ bs and obvious obstacles being the only eastern-ish team, requires. They are the biggest name out there but they are all the way over here. When the author threw out those Dakota teams it made me suspect they want to stay in the region.
Would Memphis go if offered a PAC invite even tho it's all the way out west/N West?..I'd say they would. I'd also say....anyone from the AAC would go if invited.

The entire AAC should be breathing a sigh of relief over this news. No huge PAC raid. Maybe not even one at all.
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(09-22-2023 10:49 AM)Starfox207 Wrote:  In the end, I guess my hands are up. I am so unbelievably sick and tired of people trashing on our schools and our conference. We allow so many trolls on here to smack talk, and see things like " AAC is not attractive, No one wants these schools, mistakes were made, there will be no competition." I get it, these are the things you have got to say if you are not in The American.

Let me be one of the first to say, I have made some communication against the AAC Line on the last round, but I realize the stakes, and more importantly my mistakes. SMU was a valued conference member, do I turn around on them and throw shade if I percieve they are stealing an ECU spot in the ACC? I have to hope that they are a Yes vote if ACC crashes. I have to believe the positive here.

I apologize for the things I have thought and wrote about any of these new members, and I will go one step further and also to the Sun belt, because I do value Marshall and USM highly. Again, I value App St, but from a student there as a freshman, I know they have a ceiling, and i do not like ceilings with regard to potential being capped.

I think we have ALOT to offer the world, I think this group of schools we have is worth signing a GOR for, and worthy of excitement. I am sorry for making anyone here now feel like they are not worth of being an Autonomous school or Power Conference. I am just sick and tired of bashing on this conference. We are going to take some losses this year, ECU is already terrible, but I believe in the futures of UNT, UTSA, UAB, FAU, Charlotte, Rice, Army, and the AAC Remainers. I love our brand, our Conference Logo, and growing in my enjoyment of our Conference makeup. Maybe I just believe the media and marketing too much, I could fall into that trap. But I just feel this entire site is extremely anti AAC. And whatever this relegation is, it is beneath all of us. Good Luck to us all.
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Man....you went off up there. In both posts. I read it all. Very good posts actually.
I hate to harp on this again but the reason you and others are so despondent over this conf is all directly linked to the head guy.
Here's what you said in your 1st long post...

"According to the Associated Press Article on it, Aresco is not a fan of relegation, and I am glad he put it out there. He is also going to fight against any changes to the 6 champion slots for new playoff.
Regardless of what happens, just happy to see someone out there communicating these things. It take a lot of courage and bravery to go against injustice".

You have got to be kidding!
Aresco not in favor of relegation is a MISTAKE....AGAIN!
That he doesn't entertain that notion is typical and naive. Even I can imagine an SBC and ACC thing like that happening. I can certainly see the SBC and C-USA pondering this after the PAC does it.
Btw......the AAC and the PAC would be talking and doing this right now if Aresco got BSU, AFA, Colo St and SDSU which all wanted to and were coming and then did not. Would be a great position to be in for the AAC right now. Would be in that position THIS yr if the guy had any foresight.
That's why it's typical he poo-poo'd the relegation proposal..
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clt says a GOR timed to expire before the acc GOR makes a lot of sense
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(09-22-2023 04:29 PM)seurat92 Wrote:  
(09-22-2023 10:49 AM)Starfox207 Wrote:  In the end, I guess my hands are up. I am so unbelievably sick and tired of people trashing on our schools and our conference. We allow so many trolls on here to smack talk, and see things like " AAC is not attractive, No one wants these schools, mistakes were made, there will be no competition." I get it, these are the things you have got to say if you are not in The American.

Let me be one of the first to say, I have made some communication against the AAC Line on the last round, but I realize the stakes, and more importantly my mistakes. SMU was a valued conference member, do I turn around on them and throw shade if I percieve they are stealing an ECU spot in the ACC? I have to hope that they are a Yes vote if ACC crashes. I have to believe the positive here.

I apologize for the things I have thought and wrote about any of these new members, and I will go one step further and also to the Sun belt, because I do value Marshall and USM highly. Again, I value App St, but from a student there as a freshman, I know they have a ceiling, and i do not like ceilings with regard to potential being capped.

I think we have ALOT to offer the world, I think this group of schools we have is worth signing a GOR for, and worthy of excitement. I am sorry for making anyone here now feel like they are not worth of being an Autonomous school or Power Conference. I am just sick and tired of bashing on this conference. We are going to take some losses this year, ECU is already terrible, but I believe in the futures of UNT, UTSA, UAB, FAU, Charlotte, Rice, Army, and the AAC Remainers. I love our brand, our Conference Logo, and growing in my enjoyment of our Conference makeup. Maybe I just believe the media and marketing too much, I could fall into that trap. But I just feel this entire site is extremely anti AAC. And whatever this relegation is, it is beneath all of us. Good Luck to us all.
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Man....you went off up there. In both posts. I read it all. Very good posts actually.
I hate to harp on this again but the reason you and others are so despondent over this conf is all directly linked to the head guy.
Here's what you said in your 1st long post...

"According to the Associated Press Article on it, Aresco is not a fan of relegation, and I am glad he put it out there. He is also going to fight against any changes to the 6 champion slots for new playoff.
Regardless of what happens, just happy to see someone out there communicating these things. It take a lot of courage and bravery to go against injustice".

You have got to be kidding!
Aresco not in favor of relegation is a MISTAKE....AGAIN!
That he doesn't entertain that notion is typical and naive. Even I can imagine an SBC and ACC thing like that happening. I can certainly see the SBC and C-USA pondering this after the PAC does it.
Btw......the AAC and the PAC would be talking and doing this right now if Aresco got BSU, AFA, Colo St and SDSU which all wanted to and were coming and then did not. Would be a great position to be in for the AAC right now. Would be in that position THIS yr if the guy had any foresight.
That's why it's typical he poo-poo'd the relegation proposal..

Seurat, I appreciate you.
The specific reason I am expressing my appreciation for you here, is the time you took out of your day to read my thoughts. Not a lot of people take the time to do that, and just have an agenda and don’t care at all.


Upward mobility and movement sounds enticing enough but 2nd class citizens shouldn’t have to do that, do you follow? Where is relegation in the sec or ACC or big12. To the big10? It is way too early for The American to even consider this proposal, just to benefit schools that do not have similar value. This inclusion theory your read, read again. Boise is only including central time zones and some subset of western teams?

I desire and appreciate a conference that is first class through and through, and The American represents that. We have an academic consortium and symposium and we have adopted the autonomous rules. We will break the glass season, and it’s always the darkest before the light. Take that for what it is, even in the world today.

I appreciate my conference mates because membership is not a revolving door. It’s rivalry games, it’s shared similar interests. It’s about adding value beyond ourselves and you can’t foster any close partnerships membership is constantly changing. I don’t want to be tossed around between tiered conferences. The American matters and we built this over years. I love the history of this conference and the trials we have been through. Trials in our lives are great opportunities to overcome and become stronger and teach us lessons.

I am for equality and fairness and goodness. Nothing is going to stop be from chasing those pillars, and I believe this relegation model does not represent our goals.

And again to reiterate : we can do this whenever right? PAC 2 are going to be taken care of. They are a distraction, there is no PAC vehicle, atleast how I see it. They will be gone into a p4. This is about the MWC and the AAC.

The American shouldn’t back down from our plight just because 2 random schools are scared of being left behind and Boise wants to create inequality.

We don’t do that here in The American. We are a professional organization and handle matters much better that what you are seeing in the PAC or cusa. We don’t lose schools to the G4, and the ones we lost we made them better to move on.

At this point i am rambling. I hope somewhere in there is a coherent thought. Army can’t come soon enough, it’s just been an exhausting realignment season and actual football season. This Pirate is losing his mind, and just have to call them as I see them now I suppose.
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(09-21-2023 10:19 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Several weeks ago I proposed a full merger with the MWC that would be predicated on a similar inequal revenue distribution and promotion/relegation system. The best performing schools would get the most money and the 'more attractive' schedules based on wins and losses.

If the presidents were behind the idea, it's not too late to propose this to the MWC and PAC2. We could become one gigantic, 32-school, conference with two separate tiers. It would give all schools access to all markets across the country in football and basketball, while rewarding the top performers.

The top four from 'Group B' move up to 'Group A' every year, while the bottom four in 'Group A' are relegated to 'Group B.'

This could be a great way to create more interesting matchups for television.

Dude, stop. Please.
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(09-22-2023 10:49 AM)Starfox207 Wrote:  In the end, I guess my hands are up. I am so unbelievably sick and tired of people trashing on our schools and our conference. We allow so many trolls on here to smack talk, and see things like " AAC is not attractive, No one wants these schools, mistakes were made, there will be no competition." I get it, these are the things you have got to say if you are not in The American.

Let me be one of the first to say, I have made some communication against the AAC Line on the last round, but I realize the stakes, and more importantly my mistakes. SMU was a valued conference member, do I turn around on them and throw shade if I percieve they are stealing an ECU spot in the ACC? I have to hope that they are a Yes vote if ACC crashes. I have to believe the positive here.

I apologize for the things I have thought and wrote about any of these new members, and I will go one step further and also to the Sun belt, because I do value Marshall and USM highly. Again, I value App St, but from a student there as a freshman, I know they have a ceiling, and i do not like ceilings with regard to potential being capped.

I think we have ALOT to offer the world, I think this group of schools we have is worth signing a GOR for, and worthy of excitement. I am sorry for making anyone here now feel like they are not worth of being an Autonomous school or Power Conference. I am just sick and tired of bashing on this conference. We are going to take some losses this year, ECU is already terrible, but I believe in the futures of UNT, UTSA, UAB, FAU, Charlotte, Rice, Army, and the AAC Remainers. I love our brand, our Conference Logo, and growing in my enjoyment of our Conference makeup. Maybe I just believe the media and marketing too much, I could fall into that trap. But I just feel this entire site is extremely anti AAC. And whatever this relegation is, it is beneath all of us. Good Luck to us all.

You brought it on yourselves with all that P6 nonsense tbh.
09-22-2023 07:07 PM
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RE: OT: PAC 2/ MWC Explore Merger with Relegation
(09-22-2023 07:07 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  
(09-22-2023 10:49 AM)Starfox207 Wrote:  In the end, I guess my hands are up. I am so unbelievably sick and tired of people trashing on our schools and our conference. We allow so many trolls on here to smack talk, and see things like " AAC is not attractive, No one wants these schools, mistakes were made, there will be no competition." I get it, these are the things you have got to say if you are not in The American.

Let me be one of the first to say, I have made some communication against the AAC Line on the last round, but I realize the stakes, and more importantly my mistakes. SMU was a valued conference member, do I turn around on them and throw shade if I percieve they are stealing an ECU spot in the ACC? I have to hope that they are a Yes vote if ACC crashes. I have to believe the positive here.

I apologize for the things I have thought and wrote about any of these new members, and I will go one step further and also to the Sun belt, because I do value Marshall and USM highly. Again, I value App St, but from a student there as a freshman, I know they have a ceiling, and i do not like ceilings with regard to potential being capped.

I think we have ALOT to offer the world, I think this group of schools we have is worth signing a GOR for, and worthy of excitement. I am sorry for making anyone here now feel like they are not worth of being an Autonomous school or Power Conference. I am just sick and tired of bashing on this conference. We are going to take some losses this year, ECU is already terrible, but I believe in the futures of UNT, UTSA, UAB, FAU, Charlotte, Rice, Army, and the AAC Remainers. I love our brand, our Conference Logo, and growing in my enjoyment of our Conference makeup. Maybe I just believe the media and marketing too much, I could fall into that trap. But I just feel this entire site is extremely anti AAC. And whatever this relegation is, it is beneath all of us. Good Luck to us all.

You brought it on yourselves with all that P6 nonsensetbh.

Man you all sure are upset that you have finished behind two or three aac teams every year. Let me help you out, nonsense means to not make sense. The AAC has consistently been the 6th best conference and sometimes the fifth or fourth depending on metrics. Its not close no one else is even in the ballpark, in a few weeks we'll be well on our way to 9/10 years and you'll still be mad 07-coffee3
09-22-2023 07:19 PM
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