Is there a rule in this conference where it seems every coach goes for it on 4th down, and generally fails? Perhaps I'm not seeing all the decisions made but the ones I've seen always seem to go the wrong way for the AAC coaches. Memphis just went for it on 4th and 4 from the Missouri 21, only down 7 points with almost a full quarter to go.

well... Rice actually did well on 4th down conversions today against So. Fla. going 4 for 5 on 4th down. of course, they lost the game by a lot, so there's that....but Rice did win TOP...so that's something their coaches can toot about....

(09-23-2023 09:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  well... Rice actually did well on 4th down conversions today against So. Fla. going 4 for 5 on 4th down. of course, they lost the game by a lot, so there's that....but Rice did win TOP...so that's something their coaches can toot about....

Of course every situation is different, but 4th and 4. at the opponents 21, down by 7, is not a situation I would ever suggest going for it, unless your offense is far superior to the defense. Memphis did NOT have a far superior offense to Missouri. I've seen Temple going for it in several very questionable situations as well. I can't speak for any coach, no less all the coaches, but can suggest that 3 points is better then ZERO points.

(09-24-2023 10:57 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-23-2023 09:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  well... Rice actually did well on 4th down conversions today against So. Fla. going 4 for 5 on 4th down. of course, they lost the game by a lot, so there's that....but Rice did win TOP...so that's something their coaches can toot about....

Of course every situation is different, but 4th and 4. at the opponents 21, down by 7, is not a situation I would ever suggest going for it, unless your offense is far superior to the defense. Memphis did NOT have a far superior offense to Missouri. I've seen Temple going for it in several very questionable situations as well. I can't speak for any coach, no less all the coaches, but can suggest that 3 points is better then ZERO points.

I think a lot depends on whether you think those 3 points gives you a better chance at winning game. If you think you are only going to have limited numbers in red zone then maybe going for TDs is more important.

(09-24-2023 11:00 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 10:57 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-23-2023 09:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  well... Rice actually did well on 4th down conversions today against So. Fla. going 4 for 5 on 4th down. of course, they lost the game by a lot, so there's that....but Rice did win TOP...so that's something their coaches can toot about....

Of course every situation is different, but 4th and 4. at the opponents 21, down by 7, is not a situation I would ever suggest going for it, unless your offense is far superior to the defense. Memphis did NOT have a far superior offense to Missouri. I've seen Temple going for it in several very questionable situations as well. I can't speak for any coach, no less all the coaches, but can suggest that 3 points is better then ZERO points.

I think a lot depends on whether you think those 3 points gives you a better chance at winning game. If you think you are only going to have limited numbers in red zone then maybe going for TDs is more important.

I don't see any justification of having a probability of zero points better then 3 points. 4th and 4 and your opponents 21 is not a likely scenario of scoring 7 points. Especially with 15 minutes of football left. Perhaps these coaches should study probability and statistics more.

(09-23-2023 09:30 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Is there a rule in this conference where it seems every coach goes for it on 4th down, and generally fails? Perhaps I'm not seeing all the decisions made but the ones I've seen always seem to go the wrong way for the AAC coaches. Memphis just went for it on 4th and 4 from the Missouri 21, only down 7 points with almost a full quarter to go.

Both our place kickers were out last night with injuries. The guy we had kicking hadn't kicked a FG or an EP since high school.

Silverfield usually does NOT go for it in those situations.

(09-24-2023 11:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-23-2023 09:30 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Is there a rule in this conference where it seems every coach goes for it on 4th down, and generally fails? Perhaps I'm not seeing all the decisions made but the ones I've seen always seem to go the wrong way for the AAC coaches. Memphis just went for it on 4th and 4 from the Missouri 21, only down 7 points with almost a full quarter to go.

Both our place kickers were out last night with injuries. The guy we had kicking hadn't kicked a FG or an EP since high school.

Silverfield usually does NOT go for it in those situations.

Thanks for the clarification!

(09-24-2023 11:22 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 11:00 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 10:57 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-23-2023 09:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  well... Rice actually did well on 4th down conversions today against So. Fla. going 4 for 5 on 4th down. of course, they lost the game by a lot, so there's that....but Rice did win TOP...so that's something their coaches can toot about....

Of course every situation is different, but 4th and 4. at the opponents 21, down by 7, is not a situation I would ever suggest going for it, unless your offense is far superior to the defense. Memphis did NOT have a far superior offense to Missouri. I've seen Temple going for it in several very questionable situations as well. I can't speak for any coach, no less all the coaches, but can suggest that 3 points is better then ZERO points.

I think a lot depends on whether you think those 3 points gives you a better chance at winning game. If you think you are only going to have limited numbers in red zone then maybe going for TDs is more important.

I don't see any justification of having a probability of zero points better then 3 points. 4th and 4 and your opponents 21 is not a likely scenario of scoring 7 points. Especially with 15 minutes of football left. Perhaps these coaches should study probability and statistics more.

Pretty much all coaches have access now to probability tables for each down, distance and time.
Are they always going to make righ decisions? No

(09-23-2023 09:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  well... Rice actually did well on 4th down conversions today against So. Fla. going 4 for 5 on 4th down. of course, they lost the game by a lot, so there's that....but Rice did win TOP...so that's something their coaches can toot about....

Winning TOP means almost nothing in modern football.

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