(10-03-2023 10:04 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 09:40 AM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  Why does Notre Dame have to play USC/UCLA (or Stanford or whomever) on the last weekend of the year? If all schools want that, then that's fine, but...

Instead of USC/UCLA playing each other the second-to-last weekend to allow Notre Dame the opportunity to play one of them the final week of the regular season, give one of USC/UCLA a bye that second to last weekend, have the other play Notre Dame and keep USC/UCLA on the last weekend of the year.

No one has to do anything.

However, it’s a benefit for at least the Big Ten to keep that setup. This provides ND-USC as a late afternoon or prime time game on Thanksgiving weekend every other year, which is much more valuable to the league (as that provides CBS or NBC a high profile game when FOX has Michigan-Ohio State locked up).

I’m a very large believer that ND is *always* an exception to any general rule.

Maybe they are for the B1G, but they've turned you guys down so much...I mean, it's kind of surprising that you haven't gotten the hint yet. They're not interested. Promising to forevermore make an exception for them, which does seem to be the B1G policy these days, just makes you look desperate.

I wouldn't say that ND will never be in a Conference, and I wouldn't say that they'll never be in a Conference that includes some current B1G teams, but I WOULD say that they'll never join the B1G.

(10-01-2023 08:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What I’m essentially proposing is in essence a conference with a low requirement for conference games in order to enable:

-ability to schedule 6 OOC games where the member school has >65%-70% chance to win.

-ability for at least 4-5 (if not all 6) of those OOC games to be home games (more game day revenue!)

-end result is pretty close to everyone ends the season with a winning record

This is what I’ve been saying for **checks watch** years that the ACC should do. Turn all of their schools “independent” in football. It was also an idea to help lure Pac schools in without onerous travel… though it turns out that was unnecessary.

The conference could guarantee to fill an empty schedule and would thus require each team to give them 1 home and 1 away game date to that end. Notre Dame could load up on 10 ideal SEC/B1G/G5 opponents while BC could (theoretically) ask the ACC to fill in their entire 12 game schedule.

Payouts would have to be based on something like number of games the conference has broadcast rights to, bonus if it is a P5 (no, P3, SEC+B1G+ACC) opponent, lagging performance bonus, etc, etc, so that ND, FSU, Miami get near P2 payouts while SMU, BC get near-G5 levels.

Not sure what to do with the CCG. Put the top two teams in by overall record (opponents’ P3 win total as the tie-breaker if no head-to-head)? Let teams opt out of consideration (ND)? Limit it to teams with 8+ ACC opponents? I heard once it is not sold separately by the conference; maybe threaten to scrap it in exchange for a bigger payout.

Yada, yada, ESPN isn’t upping the ACC’s contract. Their primary option is redistributing existing wealth. The best they could do is pyramid-scheme a few desperate Western schools.

(10-03-2023 11:18 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 10:04 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 09:40 AM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  Why does Notre Dame have to play USC/UCLA (or Stanford or whomever) on the last weekend of the year? If all schools want that, then that's fine, but...

Instead of USC/UCLA playing each other the second-to-last weekend to allow Notre Dame the opportunity to play one of them the final week of the regular season, give one of USC/UCLA a bye that second to last weekend, have the other play Notre Dame and keep USC/UCLA on the last weekend of the year.

No one has to do anything.

However, it’s a benefit for at least the Big Ten to keep that setup. This provides ND-USC as a late afternoon or prime time game on Thanksgiving weekend every other year, which is much more valuable to the league (as that provides CBS or NBC a high profile game when FOX has Michigan-Ohio State locked up).

I’m a very large believer that ND is *always* an exception to any general rule.

Maybe they are for the B1G, but they've turned you guys down so much...I mean, it's kind of surprising that you haven't gotten the hint yet. They're not interested. Promising to forevermore make an exception for them, which does seem to be the B1G policy these days, just makes you look desperate.

I wouldn't say that ND will never be in a Conference, and I wouldn't say that they'll never be in a Conference that includes some current B1G teams, but I WOULD say that they'll never join the B1G.

I don’t think making an exception for ND has much to do with the Big Ten wanting them to join.

Instead, ND is a big-time moneymaker. As long as that’s the case, everyone will make an exception for them to whatever superficially hard and fast rule might otherwise be in place regarding scheduling, the CFP, etc. (Recall the Pac-12 instituted a rule not allowing non-conference games like BYU-Utah late in the season… except that rule of course never applied to ND games.)

(10-04-2023 05:13 AM)Crayton Wrote:  

(10-01-2023 08:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What I’m essentially proposing is in essence a conference with a low requirement for conference games in order to enable:

-ability to schedule 6 OOC games where the member school has >65%-70% chance to win.

-ability for at least 4-5 (if not all 6) of those OOC games to be home games (more game day revenue!)

-end result is pretty close to everyone ends the season with a winning record

This is what I’ve been saying for **checks watch** years that the ACC should do. Turn all of their schools “independent” in football. It was also an idea to help lure Pac schools in without onerous travel… though it turns out that was unnecessary.

The conference could guarantee to fill an empty schedule and would thus require each team to give them 1 home and 1 away game date to that end. Notre Dame could load up on 10 ideal SEC/B1G/G5 opponents while BC could (theoretically) ask the ACC to fill in their entire 12 game schedule.

Payouts would have to be based on something like number of games the conference has broadcast rights to, bonus if it is a P5 (no, P3, SEC+B1G+ACC) opponent, lagging performance bonus, etc, etc, so that ND, FSU, Miami get near P2 payouts while SMU, BC get near-G5 levels.

Not sure what to do with the CCG. Put the top two teams in by overall record (opponents’ P3 win total as the tie-breaker if no head-to-head)? Let teams opt out of consideration (ND)? Limit it to teams with 8+ ACC opponents? I heard once it is not sold separately by the conference; maybe threaten to scrap it in exchange for a bigger payout.

Yada, yada, ESPN isn’t upping the ACC’s contract. Their primary option is redistributing existing wealth. The best they could do is pyramid-scheme a few desperate Western schools.

The ACC has one more pro-rata addition left. The top two available states by population are Illinois and Ohio.

(10-04-2023 09:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:13 AM)Crayton Wrote:  

(10-01-2023 08:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What I’m essentially proposing is in essence a conference with a low requirement for conference games in order to enable:

-ability to schedule 6 OOC games where the member school has >65%-70% chance to win.

-ability for at least 4-5 (if not all 6) of those OOC games to be home games (more game day revenue!)

-end result is pretty close to everyone ends the season with a winning record

This is what I’ve been saying for **checks watch** years that the ACC should do. Turn all of their schools “independent” in football. It was also an idea to help lure Pac schools in without onerous travel… though it turns out that was unnecessary.

The conference could guarantee to fill an empty schedule and would thus require each team to give them 1 home and 1 away game date to that end. Notre Dame could load up on 10 ideal SEC/B1G/G5 opponents while BC could (theoretically) ask the ACC to fill in their entire 12 game schedule.

Payouts would have to be based on something like number of games the conference has broadcast rights to, bonus if it is a P5 (no, P3, SEC+B1G+ACC) opponent, lagging performance bonus, etc, etc, so that ND, FSU, Miami get near P2 payouts while SMU, BC get near-G5 levels.

Not sure what to do with the CCG. Put the top two teams in by overall record (opponents’ P3 win total as the tie-breaker if no head-to-head)? Let teams opt out of consideration (ND)? Limit it to teams with 8+ ACC opponents? I heard once it is not sold separately by the conference; maybe threaten to scrap it in exchange for a bigger payout.

Yada, yada, ESPN isn’t upping the ACC’s contract. Their primary option is redistributing existing wealth. The best they could do is pyramid-scheme a few desperate Western schools.

The ACC has one more pro-rata addition left. The top two available states by population are Illinois and Ohio.

#13 is the State of Washington. Hmm…

If Notre Dame are going to be forced into a conference? They rather chose their teams for a coast to coast conference, and pick the Big 10 apart.

But not with all the Big 10 or ACC schools.

(10-04-2023 06:41 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 11:18 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 10:04 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 09:40 AM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  Why does Notre Dame have to play USC/UCLA (or Stanford or whomever) on the last weekend of the year? If all schools want that, then that's fine, but...

Instead of USC/UCLA playing each other the second-to-last weekend to allow Notre Dame the opportunity to play one of them the final week of the regular season, give one of USC/UCLA a bye that second to last weekend, have the other play Notre Dame and keep USC/UCLA on the last weekend of the year.

No one has to do anything.

However, it’s a benefit for at least the Big Ten to keep that setup. This provides ND-USC as a late afternoon or prime time game on Thanksgiving weekend every other year, which is much more valuable to the league (as that provides CBS or NBC a high profile game when FOX has Michigan-Ohio State locked up).

I’m a very large believer that ND is *always* an exception to any general rule.

Maybe they are for the B1G, but they've turned you guys down so much...I mean, it's kind of surprising that you haven't gotten the hint yet. They're not interested. Promising to forevermore make an exception for them, which does seem to be the B1G policy these days, just makes you look desperate.

I wouldn't say that ND will never be in a Conference, and I wouldn't say that they'll never be in a Conference that includes some current B1G teams, but I WOULD say that they'll never join the B1G.

I don’t think making an exception for ND has much to do with the Big Ten wanting them to join.

Instead, ND is a big-time moneymaker. As long as that’s the case, everyone will make an exception for them to whatever superficially hard and fast rule might otherwise be in place regarding scheduling, the CFP, etc. (Recall the Pac-12 instituted a rule not allowing non-conference games like BYU-Utah late in the season… except that rule of course never applied to ND games.)

That's true. And, really, there's not a "hard and fast" B1G rule on the AAU, it's more like a Pirate Rule (aka guideline). The SEC certainly isn't looking at schools in Indiana, but we'd happily accept ND if they applied tomorrow just like the B1G would. And that applies if we're at 16 teams, or 18, or 23, etc etc.

(10-03-2023 11:18 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 10:04 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  ... I’m a very large believer that ND is *always* an exception to any general rule.

Maybe they are for the B1G, but they've turned you guys down so much...I mean, it's kind of surprising that you haven't gotten the hint yet. They're not interested. ...

It's not as if the exceptions are granted "in hopes that finally ND will join", so the fact that ND has no interest in joining a conference doesn't have much relevance to granting the exception.

The AAU "rule" is indeed more of a shorthand to Presidents that the academic fig leaf is intact, but Notre Dame is a sufficiently elite undergraduate and professional academic institution that the Big Ten Presidents are not going to be fussed about the fact that it is not a big graduate research powerhouse.

(10-04-2023 09:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  The ACC has one more pro-rata addition left. The top two available states by population are Illinois and Ohio.

Man, I pushed Cincinnati on my ACCFootballRx blog for YEARS, but it never happened. I guarantee you the ACC leaders wish they had UC in the fold now, though!