FWIW, I don't support either side in this conflict and I don't think we should be involved. People have been waging near-constant warfare in the Holy Land for thousands of years. There are deep-seated hatreds and the fighting isn't going to stop until one side wipes out the other, which I find unlikely to happen. We don't need to get bogged down in yet another war in the Middle East, especially one against vague and numerous militant groups. You'd think we'd have learned from our counterinsurgency operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Hamas and other militant and terrorist organizations have been carrying out heinous attacks for a long time now. Their recent brazen and brutal attack on Israeli civilians rightfully warrants condemnation and a response from Israel. At the same time, Israel has oppressed Palestinians for decades and effectively turned Gaza into an open air prison. Their carpet bombing campaign will only make matters worse, deepening the humanitarian crisis and creating new terrorists. Their continued forceful expansion of their borders should also be condemned.
The Israeli military is already first-rate and doesn't need our support. We're not liberating the oppressed, we're giving the green light to the oppressor.
(This post was last modified: 11-06-2023 02:56 PM by ColinApocalypse.)
And it's our completely one-sided support for Israel's government that has enabled to them to turn Gaza into the open-air prison, and continue building new settlements and displacing Palestinians, when most of the remainder of the world has looked at the situation with a more dispassionate eye and can see what is happening there without the willful blindness in support of the idea of Israel not being able to do anything wrong and any disagreement is anti-Semitism.
When the White House says they are powerless to stop the onslaught that we are directly funding, it's actually true. The Israeli lobby in Congress is the single most powerful lobby in this country. They're the reason they have the full backing of the United States of America when EVERY other country urges them to show restraint. The US will never turn against Israel, not while Congress is bought and paid for by lobbyists.
(11-06-2023 08:21 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote: When the White House says they are powerless to stop the onslaught that we are directly funding, it's actually true. The Israeli lobby in Congress is the single most powerful lobby in this country. They're the reason they have the full backing of the United States of America when EVERY other country urges them to show restraint. The US will never turn against Israel, not while Congress is bought and paid for by lobbyists.
This isn't really wrong, but there are certainly steps the White House could take that aren't being done. Unfortunately, given Biden's history and the history of the Democratic Party (both parties), the logical explanation here is that the WH has no real interest in stopping the onslaught and the only real efforts being made are to create a political narrative to try to appease both sides of the public opinion.
(11-06-2023 08:21 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote: When the White House says they are powerless to stop the onslaught that we are directly funding, it's actually true. The Israeli lobby in Congress is the single most powerful lobby in this country. They're the reason they have the full backing of the United States of America when EVERY other country urges them to show restraint. The US will never turn against Israel, not while Congress is bought and paid for by lobbyists.
(11-06-2023 08:21 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote: When the White House says they are powerless to stop the onslaught that we are directly funding, it's actually true. The Israeli lobby in Congress is the single most powerful lobby in this country. They're the reason they have the full backing of the United States of America when EVERY other country urges them to show restraint. The US will never turn against Israel, not while Congress is bought and paid for by lobbyists.
I really enjoy ready many of the writers on Substack: Greenwald, Taibbi, deBoer, Yglesias, Cox-Richardson just to mention a few. It's a good source with many different view points for both the left and the right.
Major, don't be a sheep and allow MSN.COM control what you read. You might wanna try subscribing to some of these writers as I think you will find a better source for news you won't find on the Monolithic Trump Hating web site "Raw Story".
(11-06-2023 08:21 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote: When the White House says they are powerless to stop the onslaught that we are directly funding, it's actually true. The Israeli lobby in Congress is the single most powerful lobby in this country. They're the reason they have the full backing of the United States of America when EVERY other country urges them to show restraint. The US will never turn against Israel, not while Congress is bought and paid for by lobbyists.
I really enjoy ready many of the writers on Substack: Greenwald, Taibbi, deBoer, Yglesias, Cox-Richardson just to mention a few. It's a good source with many different view points for both the left and the right.
Major, don't be a sheep and allow MSN.COM control what you read. You might wanna try subscribing to some of these writers as I think you will find a better source for news you won't find on the Monolithic Trump Hating web site "Raw Story".
That's not news. It is agenda driven political commentary. If you want news read the AP. https://apnews.com/
Look at the Palestinian migration policies of other Arab Nations.
Also see how the migrants are treated in those countries. A demilitarized Gaza would go a long way to really serving its people. For anybody that hasn't read the 1988 Hamas Covenant and it's 2017 revised Charter, certainly would go a long way in answering if we are on the right side.
(This post was last modified: 11-13-2023 08:10 AM by Boca Rocket.)
(11-06-2023 08:21 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote: When the White House says they are powerless to stop the onslaught that we are directly funding, it's actually true. The Israeli lobby in Congress is the single most powerful lobby in this country. They're the reason they have the full backing of the United States of America when EVERY other country urges them to show restraint. The US will never turn against Israel, not while Congress is bought and paid for by lobbyists.
I really enjoy ready many of the writers on Substack: Greenwald, Taibbi, deBoer, Yglesias, Cox-Richardson just to mention a few. It's a good source with many different view points for both the left and the right.
Major, don't be a sheep and allow MSN.COM control what you read. You might wanna try subscribing to some of these writers as I think you will find a better source for news you won't find on the Monolithic Trump Hating web site "Raw Story".
That's not news. It is agenda driven political commentary. If you want news read the AP. https://apnews.com/
I misused "news" and should have stated "opinion" or "blogger" or "commentator". I'd say 95% of the links/articles posted here are of this nature. But many of the sheep seem to think this is news as they allow their devices to select what they read.
I don't read the left leaning AP News and prefer centrist sources, though I do read my share of left leaning opinion writers. Heck, deBore is Marxist and a good writer. I want to learn about his view points, even though I typically don't agree. Same with Cox-Richardson who is pretty far left leaning.
(This post was last modified: 11-13-2023 01:42 PM by Brownandgoldlaker.)
(11-13-2023 08:08 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: For anybody that hasn't read the 1988 Hamas Covenant and it's 2017 revised Charter, certainly would go a long way in answering if we are on the right side.
Not supporting (being against) the Hamas Covenant is different than a full- fledged endorsement of Israel's current means and methods.
Which, based upon "our" actions, is what the United States is currently doing.
How this will play out, is uncertain.
I found this interview to be (at least) thought provoking.
Saying that it is thought provoking is not an indication of full agreement with everything said.
FWIW
(This post was last modified: 11-19-2023 08:27 AM by ess.)
(01-12-2024 11:40 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote: I will say though, both Presidents did have the authority to strike back at Iran with in the War Powers Act.
As per the linked video, Joe Biden (previously) seemed to disagree with your assessment.
"States that the Act is not intended to encroach upon the recognized powers of the President, as Commander in Chief, to conduct hostilities authorized by the Congress, to respond to attacks or the imminent threat of attacks upon the United States, including its territories and possessions, to respond to attacks or the imminent threat of attacks against the Armed Forces of the United States, and under proper circumstances, to rescue endangered citizens of the United States located in foreign countries."
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