I'm sorry. I must have missed the part where Lincoln Riley ever did anything.

(10-20-2023 08:54 AM)e-parade Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 06:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 09:36 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 06:33 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I can say this much: if the Bears end up with Caleb Williams, we will absolutely getting a new coach. Whether it’s Lincoln Riley or not is another matter.

My personal feeling: I don’t think that the Bears would go with the rookie head coach route (which is how they’ve almost always done things) again if that happens. There’s way too much riding on this draft pick (if it’s #1) for the long-term future of the entire franchise competitively, positioning a new stadium, etc. The Bears HAVE to get this right.

You're gonna have to fight us for that draft pick.

We’ve got two bites at the apple because we also own Carolina’s #1 draft pick and they might be the worst of all of us.

Yeah that's fair. I just don't see the Patriots being able to beat anyone on the remaining schedule. The Panthers and Bears play each other later in the year, so that might be the #1 pick superbowl.

Yeah - that Panthers game might be the only game the Bears have a chance of winning, too. We just lost to the Broncos and Vikings (two terrible teams) and Justin Fields may be out for awhile. So, it’s tough to see the Bears winning any game besides that Panthers game (and that’s essentially neutral since we own their draft pick).

(10-20-2023 10:07 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I'm sorry. I must have missed the part where Lincoln Riley ever did anything.

Riley is 72-14 as a head coach, with three CFP appearances, and three Heisman winners. Many NFL teams would hire him as an offensive coordinator, but as a head coach that becomes more complicated.

(10-20-2023 06:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 09:36 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 06:33 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I can say this much: if the Bears end up with Caleb Williams, we will absolutely getting a new coach. Whether it’s Lincoln Riley or not is another matter.

My personal feeling: I don’t think that the Bears would go with the rookie head coach route (which is how they’ve almost always done things) again if that happens. There’s way too much riding on this draft pick (if it’s #1) for the long-term future of the entire franchise competitively, positioning a new stadium, etc. The Bears HAVE to get this right.

You're gonna have to fight us for that draft pick.

We’ve got two bites at the apple because we also own Carolina’s #1 draft pick and they might be the worst of all of us.

The Cardinals are in a similar position with their first-round pick, the Texans first round pick and a quarterback in Kyler Murray that they may be ready to move on from.

(10-20-2023 08:56 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  SiriusXM Ch 84 and 85 were a-flutter yesterday that Williams and Riley were a package deal.

Someone leaked that Riley's people have started to put out feelers. Once Patrick picked it up, you know others heard about it, too.

(10-20-2023 11:21 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 06:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 09:36 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 06:33 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I can say this much: if the Bears end up with Caleb Williams, we will absolutely getting a new coach. Whether it’s Lincoln Riley or not is another matter.

My personal feeling: I don’t think that the Bears would go with the rookie head coach route (which is how they’ve almost always done things) again if that happens. There’s way too much riding on this draft pick (if it’s #1) for the long-term future of the entire franchise competitively, positioning a new stadium, etc. The Bears HAVE to get this right.

You're gonna have to fight us for that draft pick.

We’ve got two bites at the apple because we also own Carolina’s #1 draft pick and they might be the worst of all of us.

The Cardinals are in a similar position with their first-round pick, the Texans first round pick and a quarterback in Kyler Murray that they may be ready to move on from.

Murray is a whole lot more talented than Fields, but he's got a bit too much Johnny Football aura about him.

(10-20-2023 11:21 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 06:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 09:36 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 06:33 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I can say this much: if the Bears end up with Caleb Williams, we will absolutely getting a new coach. Whether it’s Lincoln Riley or not is another matter.

My personal feeling: I don’t think that the Bears would go with the rookie head coach route (which is how they’ve almost always done things) again if that happens. There’s way too much riding on this draft pick (if it’s #1) for the long-term future of the entire franchise competitively, positioning a new stadium, etc. The Bears HAVE to get this right.

You're gonna have to fight us for that draft pick.

We’ve got two bites at the apple because we also own Carolina’s #1 draft pick and they might be the worst of all of us.

The Cardinals are in a similar position with their first-round pick, the Texans first round pick and a quarterback in Kyler Murray that they may be ready to move on from.

Except the damn Texans keep winning!

There's a lot of back-and-forth with the Bears fan base about the future (whether Justin Fields is the franchise QB or not, whether Ryan Poles should keep his GM job or not, whether or not to draft a QB again with 1st pick again or trade for more assets). Regardless, the Bears have been terrible since the miraculous 2018 run with Nagy/Trubisky (and double-doink FG). Since the firing of Lovie Smith (and later Jerry Angelo), Bears have had a turnstile of head coaches and GMs (Trestman, Fox, Nagy, Eberflus, whomever is next year's HC; Emery, Pace, Poles and if we do get a new GM next year).

I have cautious optimism that Kevin Warren has been given true free authority over the football side of things for the organization (replacing Ted Phillips, who was just a disaster for so long). I can't imagine that Warren has arrived and thinks the current hierarchy is in-place for future sustained success. I have really wanted to give Ryan Poles the benefit of the doubt, but the reality is that the Bears (since his and Eberflus' arrival) are 4-19 (with potential for many more losses this year); that would be the worst in the NFL and worst stretch for the Bears since 97-98 (8-24 record). Poles traded away proven NFL-quality players/talent in Mack, Quinn and Smith for draft picks (whose selections may or may not be long-term pieces to the team); he didn't resign Montgomery (and currently has a 4th-string RB starting), he traded away a 2nd Round Pick (which essentially became a 1st Round pick) for Chase Claypool, who he just ditched for peanuts; the team has the worst offensive and defensive lines in the NFL, which have not been seriously addressed in either offseason (and, no, signing just Davis/Ngakoue is not sufficient considering what was on the team last year); the CAR trade was great in value, but the team is still just as bad on the field. The Alan Williams debacle is also a red flag, but that is another topic entirely.

The biggest frustration as a Bears fan is the continued hirings (whether that is GM/HC/OC) that do not align with the QB position. Emery/Trestman inherited Cutler and tried to build around him (Smith/Angelo acquired him); Fox was given Glennon/Trubisky from Pace; Nagy was given Trubisky/Foles/Fields; now Eberflus/Poles are both given Fields and expected to fix/develop him. There just continues to be a lack of alignment with these critical positions, which has been highlighted with the on-field product. I don't care who the QB is, I don't care who the HC or GM is. Fans just want a competitive/winning team; instead, it continues to emphasized and forced that new management needs to "work with" and "develop" the previous regimes QBs and players (not unlike Mel Tucker being hired to run Lovie Smith's defense with his terminology, despite being fired). It is wild to me that Ryan Pace spent millions (3-years for $45 million) on Mike Glennon (4 games), Mitch Trubisky (4-years for $29 million, and multiple traded draft picks), Nick Foles (acquired his 4-year, $88 million contract from Jacksonville), Andy Dalton (1-year, $10 million) and Justin Fields (4-years, $18 million, and multiple draft picks) and never once got the position right.

Anyways, that's my Bears rant for the day. I'll be there in person on Sunday. Very excited for the Hoyer/Bagent QB showdown haha.

I was a Bears fan for more than 10 years (about 1987 to 2000) but long ago lost my interest (and, for that matter, my interest in the Bulls, for which I was a rather serious fan back in the day).

Following the Bears is like following the Titans ... frustrating.

I still cheer for the Cubs somewhat (the recent late-season collapse was rough).

(10-20-2023 06:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 09:36 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 06:33 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I can say this much: if the Bears end up with Caleb Williams, we will absolutely getting a new coach. Whether it’s Lincoln Riley or not is another matter.

My personal feeling: I don’t think that the Bears would go with the rookie head coach route (which is how they’ve almost always done things) again if that happens. There’s way too much riding on this draft pick (if it’s #1) for the long-term future of the entire franchise competitively, positioning a new stadium, etc. The Bears HAVE to get this right.

You're gonna have to fight us for that draft pick.

We’ve got two bites at the apple because we also own Carolina’s #1 draft pick and they might be the worst of all of us.

Y'all could concievably get Caleb AND his HS teammate, the 6-foot-6, 317 Olu Fashanu to cover his blind side! Caleb & HS Teammate Both Top Draft Prospects

(10-20-2023 11:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 10:07 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I'm sorry. I must have missed the part where Lincoln Riley ever did anything.

Riley is 72-14 as a head coach, with three CFP appearances, and three Heisman winners. Many NFL teams would hire him as an offensive coordinator, but as a head coach that becomes more complicated.

Wow. Had the best player in the country three times yet no championships.

Is that good or bad?

In what world did I just walk into where “no national championships” equals “bad”.

Lincoln Riley is a case of jumping to higher rungs on the ladder before the public figures out that you've got nothing to offer. When he jumps and misses that last rung up he's going to bust it big time. Coaches don't have the golden parachute that Larry Scott had. Lincoln is riding the crest of a personality bubble.

(10-20-2023 05:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In what world did I just walk into where “no national championships” equals “bad”.

You're conveniently leaving out the having three heisman trophy winners part.

(10-20-2023 02:27 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 11:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 10:07 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I'm sorry. I must have missed the part where Lincoln Riley ever did anything.

Riley is 72-14 as a head coach, with three CFP appearances, and three Heisman winners. Many NFL teams would hire him as an offensive coordinator, but as a head coach that becomes more complicated.

Wow. Had the best player in the country three times yet no championships.

Is that good or bad?

I would say that is good. He is only 40 years of age. He makes $10 million plus per season. Saban was 52 when he won his first national championship. If your standard for success is winning national championships, then about 98% of coaches are failures. Heisman trophy winners usually come from good teams and all three played on good teams.

(10-20-2023 08:06 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 02:27 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 11:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 10:07 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I'm sorry. I must have missed the part where Lincoln Riley ever did anything.

Riley is 72-14 as a head coach, with three CFP appearances, and three Heisman winners. Many NFL teams would hire him as an offensive coordinator, but as a head coach that becomes more complicated.

Wow. Had the best player in the country three times yet no championships.

Is that good or bad?

I would say that is good. He is only 40 years of age. He makes $10 million plus per season. Saban was 52 when he won his first national championship. If your standard for success is winning national championships, then about 98% of coaches are failures. Heisman trophy winners usually come from good teams and all three played on good teams.

What percentage of coaches get to coach not one, not two...but THREE heisman trophy winners ?

(10-19-2023 08:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 06:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqcGSsxyOOY

Dan Patrick rumor, and he was wrong about SDSU last year. But he does have good sources. He randomly speculated last year that Riley might want to leave USC after Caleb Williams left, and now the Bears look to have the inside track for the #1 seed (and might be in need of a new coach). Hmmmmm.

If I was Lincoln Riley and I was going to leave for an NFL head coaching opportunity, it probably would not be Chicago. I would wait for the Chargers job to open up, which could be by the end of the 2023 season. Riley would be coaching Justin Herbert and as long as he could find good NFL experienced assistants, that would be the perfect job. Riley has an oceanfront mansion in Palos Verdes Estates and the drive to the new Chargers practice facility in El Segundo would be about ten miles along the Pacific Coast Highway, through beach cities. He would not have to move his family. The Chargers are building a state-of-the-art practice facility in El Segundo which will open in the spring of 2024.

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This

(10-20-2023 07:32 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 05:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In what world did I just walk into where “no national championships” equals “bad”.

You're conveniently leaving out the having three heisman trophy winners part.

He probably deserves a tiny bit of credit for recruiting and developing those 3 heisman winners. I'm with JR on Riley, I don't like him and I think he'd get exposed in the SEC or B1G, as ND exposed him the other day, but he's not a bad coach. He's just better suited as a QB Coach or OC at a major program or in the NFL.

(10-19-2023 08:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(10-19-2023 06:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqcGSsxyOOY

Dan Patrick rumor, and he was wrong about SDSU last year. But he does have good sources. He randomly speculated last year that Riley might want to leave USC after Caleb Williams left, and now the Bears look to have the inside track for the #1 seed (and might be in need of a new coach). Hmmmmm.

If I was Lincoln Riley and I was going to leave for an NFL head coaching opportunity, it probably would not be Chicago. I would wait for the Chargers job to open up, which could be by the end of the 2023 season. Riley would be coaching Justin Herbert and as long as he could find good NFL experienced assistants, that would be the perfect job. Riley has an oceanfront mansion in Palos Verdes Estates and the drive to the new Chargers practice facility in El Segundo would be about ten miles along the Pacific Coast Highway, through beach cities. He would not have to move his family. The Chargers are building a state-of-the-art practice facility in El Segundo which will open in the spring of 2024.

And he would have the great "honor" of working for the Spanos family. Go back through the history of their ownership and look at their coaching hires. The Spani aren't known for paying big bucks to their coaches nor do they like firing coaches who have years remaining on their contract. Their current coach, Staley, is making $4.2M/year base, near the bottom of the league. Riley is making $10-11M/year. So, is he willing to take a substantial pay cut to coach the Chargers and work for one of the lamest ownerships in the NFL, a team that is clearly behind the Rams in popularity in the city?

(10-21-2023 08:55 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 08:06 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 02:27 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 11:16 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(10-20-2023 10:07 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I'm sorry. I must have missed the part where Lincoln Riley ever did anything.

Riley is 72-14 as a head coach, with three CFP appearances, and three Heisman winners. Many NFL teams would hire him as an offensive coordinator, but as a head coach that becomes more complicated.

Wow. Had the best player in the country three times yet no championships.

Is that good or bad?

I would say that is good. He is only 40 years of age. He makes $10 million plus per season. Saban was 52 when he won his first national championship. If your standard for success is winning national championships, then about 98% of coaches are failures. Heisman trophy winners usually come from good teams and all three played on good teams.

What percentage of coaches get to coach not one, not two...but THREE heisman trophy winners ?

Less than 1% and none before the age of 40. He also had Jalen Hurts, who was the runner-up for the Heisman in 2019. He can coach offensive football. He needs a good defensive coordinator. He needs to develop relationships in the coaching world, to help him find a good DC and defensive staff. A good special teams coordinator would not hurt, either. He will get there eventually. He is just 40 years of age.