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(11-16-2023 05:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 05:29 PM)ess Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 01:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The right-wing has shifted to the right.

What do you mean (specifically)?

Examples?

I should say, that party shifted to become, by and large, right-wing. 20 years ago, how many people in what is now the Insurrection Party would have been amplifying bogus claims of voter fraud to their voters to the point where it caused an attack on the Capitol, and then refuse to hold Trump accountable for inciting it (or pressuring election officials to change the result?) And then continue to support someone who has no interest in democracy? At what point did this become okay?

The people who are still moderates in that party are now a fringe group - most of them have been voted out or didn't run for re-election.

They're also pushing extreme abortion laws that it is obvious most voters don't want. In addition they seem to want to push their religious beliefs on others more than usual - all this talk about the US being a Christian nation - seems like they're pushing on that too.

Yeah, we now have a Speaker of the House who believes we shouldn't have a separation of Church & State.

Our country was founded on this concept.

(11-17-2023 02:17 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Ironic thing nobody has ever accused Trump of being a religious person except for one photo when he was holding Bible upside down after trying to get military to clear protesters from outside the WH.

(11-17-2023 03:38 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  Yeah, we now have a Speaker of the House who believes we shouldn't have a separation of Church & State.

Our country was founded on this concept.

And if the MAGAts have their way it will be destroyed by abolishing that concept (among others).

(11-15-2023 06:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I don't know what the odds are.

"Hey Joe".....redefining success

(11-15-2023 08:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I doubt the veracity of the report.

This is Davyd Arakhamia, parliamentary leader of Zelensky's ''Servant of the People'' party.

Still doubting?

⁹

(11-17-2023 03:38 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 05:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 05:29 PM)ess Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 01:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The right-wing has shifted to the right.

What do you mean (specifically)?

Examples?

I should say, that party shifted to become, by and large, right-wing. 20 years ago, how many people in what is now the Insurrection Party would have been amplifying bogus claims of voter fraud to their voters to the point where it caused an attack on the Capitol, and then refuse to hold Trump accountable for inciting it (or pressuring election officials to change the result?) And then continue to support someone who has no interest in democracy? At what point did this become okay?

The people who are still moderates in that party are now a fringe group - most of them have been voted out or didn't run for re-election.

They're also pushing extreme abortion laws that it is obvious most voters don't want. In addition they seem to want to push their religious beliefs on others more than usual - all this talk about the US being a Christian nation - seems like they're pushing on that too.

Yeah, we now have a Speaker of the House who believes we shouldn't have a separation of Church & State.

Our country was founded on this concept.

Separation of church and state, allowing for religious pluralism. Separation of church and state doesn't include politics or personal choice. The concept of sanctity of life maybe part of Judaeo-Christian tradition, but it origins preceeded them in history.

(11-25-2023 08:23 AM)ess Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 08:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I doubt the veracity of the report.

This is Davyd Arakhamia, parliamentary leader of Zelensky's ''Servant of the People'' party.

Still doubting?

Yes.

From Mykhalo Podolyak:

But for Ukraine, talks are off the table.

""It was about 45 minutes into the first round of talks that the intellectual level of these people became clear -- their lack of understanding that the war was a war," Mykhaylo Podolyak told AFP during a recent interview in Kyiv.

"These people were not prepared to negotiate. They were just technical staff with nearly no influence in Russia. They came, read out certain ultimatums, and that's it!" the presidential advisor added.

Officials say almost all agreements that Kyiv entered into since the collapse of the Soviet Union were scrapped by Moscow, and that sitting down with Russia is pointless at best and dangerous at worst.

"Putin is a habitual liar who promised international leaders that he would not attack Ukraine days before his invasion in February 2022," Ukraine's foreign minister said recently.

He cited agreements from 1994, 1997, 2014 and 2015 in which Russia had agreed to recognise and respect Ukrainian territorial integrity or commit to terms of fighting that Kuleba said Moscow had brazenly disregarded.

(11-27-2023 11:27 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  ⁹

(11-17-2023 03:38 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 05:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 05:29 PM)ess Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 01:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The right-wing has shifted to the right.

What do you mean (specifically)?

Examples?

I should say, that party shifted to become, by and large, right-wing. 20 years ago, how many people in what is now the Insurrection Party would have been amplifying bogus claims of voter fraud to their voters to the point where it caused an attack on the Capitol, and then refuse to hold Trump accountable for inciting it (or pressuring election officials to change the result?) And then continue to support someone who has no interest in democracy? At what point did this become okay?

The people who are still moderates in that party are now a fringe group - most of them have been voted out or didn't run for re-election.

They're also pushing extreme abortion laws that it is obvious most voters don't want. In addition they seem to want to push their religious beliefs on others more than usual - all this talk about the US being a Christian nation - seems like they're pushing on that too.

Yeah, we now have a Speaker of the House who believes we shouldn't have a separation of Church & State.

Our country was founded on this concept.

Separation of church and state, allowing for religious pluralism. Separation of church and state doesn't include politics or personal choice. The concept of sanctity of life maybe part of Judaeo-Christian tradition, but it origins preceeded them in history.

It's the religious sort that makes religion political, when they try to make other people live by their religious beliefs. Otherwise no one would care about religion or separation of church and state.

(11-30-2023 09:17 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Yes.

Top Ukrainian politician David Arakhamia gives seventh confirmation of Russia-Ukraine peace deal agreed in March 2022

1. The parliamentary leader of Zelenskiy's ''Servant of the People'' confirmed on November 24 in an interview that internationally mediated negotiations in Istanbul had produced an agreement to bring the fighting in Ukraine to an end.

2. Arakhamia comments back up comments from former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who was also in Istanbul, who also confirmed that a Russia-Ukraine peace deal was nearly reached in the spring of 2022

3. News of the deal was originally reported by Ukrainska Pravda

4. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov claimed a peace deal was reached with Ukraine last April

5. Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett also confirmed that the West had blocked a potential peace deal

6. Another participant in the talks was Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, who also confirmed a deal was close in comments to the Turkish press on March 20.

7. US foreign policy advisor Fiona Hill added credence to the original report

(11-07-2023 06:49 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  Overlords?

Longtime environmental activist and homeless advocate

(11-30-2023 09:20 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  It's the religious sort that makes religion political, when they try to make other people live by their religious beliefs. Otherwise no one would care about religion or separation of church and state.

It's the religious sort that makes religion political politics religious, when they try to make other people live by their religious political beliefs. Otherwise no one would care about religion politics.

Fixed it.

(11-30-2023 07:40 PM)ess Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 09:20 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  It's the religious sort that makes religion political, when they try to make other people live by their religious beliefs. Otherwise no one would care about religion or separation of church and state.

It's the religious sort that makes religion political politics religious, when they try to make other people live by their religious political beliefs. Otherwise no one would care about religion politics.

Fixed it.

No. You didn't.

(11-30-2023 05:43 PM)ess Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 09:17 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Yes.

Top Ukrainian politician David Arakhamia gives seventh confirmation of Russia-Ukraine peace deal agreed in March 2022

1. The parliamentary leader of Zelenskiy's ''Servant of the People'' confirmed on November 24 in an interview that internationally mediated negotiations in Istanbul had produced an agreement to bring the fighting in Ukraine to an end.

2. Arakhamia comments back up comments from former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who was also in Istanbul, who also confirmed that a Russia-Ukraine peace deal was nearly reached in the spring of 2022

3. News of the deal was originally reported by Ukrainska Pravda

4. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov claimed a peace deal was reached with Ukraine last April

5. Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett also confirmed that the West had blocked a potential peace deal

6. Another participant in the talks was Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, who also confirmed a deal was close in comments to the Turkish press on March 20.

7. US foreign policy advisor Fiona Hill added credence to the original report

Reuters reported in September 2022 that people close to Kremlin leadership confirmed that Russian negotiators had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would keep Ukraine out of NATO, but Putin rejected the deal and continued with his invasion. Sources who spoke with Reuters said the Russian leader told his negotiations that the deal "did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objections to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory."

(11-16-2023 05:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I should say, that party shifted to become, by and large, right-wing.

"Right wing" / "Left wing"....

"Back in the day, questioning authority, opposing censorship, being hostile to the defense industry and intelligence agencies, and wanting corporate influence out of government was considered LEFT wing......"

When/why did this change?

(12-10-2023 05:13 PM)ess Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 05:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I should say, that party shifted to become, by and large, right-wing.

"Right wing" / "Left wing"....

"Back in the day, questioning authority, opposing censorship, being hostile to the defense industry and intelligence agencies, and wanting corporate influence out of government was considered LEFT wing......"

When/why did this change?

The answer to all your questions is - money (and thus, power).

(12-10-2023 05:13 PM)ess Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 05:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I should say, that party shifted to become, by and large, right-wing.

"Right wing" / "Left wing"....

"Back in the day, questioning authority, opposing censorship, being hostile to the defense industry and intelligence agencies, and wanting corporate influence out of government was considered LEFT wing......"

When/why did this change?

Certainly the right doesn't want corporate influence out of government so that part didn't change. Both sides want censorship depending on what the topic is, so that didn't really change.

Is U.S. interest dwindling?

Or

Is it "united we stand"?

I appreciated all American companies that attended last week's US-Ukraine defense industry conference.

"Together, we can create more jobs....."

"Putin propagandists......."

(12-12-2023 05:25 PM)ess Wrote:  

Is U.S. interest dwindling?

Or

Is it "united we stand"?

I appreciated all American companies that attended last week's US-Ukraine defense industry conference.

"Together, we can create more jobs....."

Can't open the link but it seems like interest is dwindling, thought not among Democrats. At least, not publicly.

(12-13-2023 09:02 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2023 05:25 PM)ess Wrote:  

Is U.S. interest dwindling?

Or

Is it "united we stand"?

I appreciated all American companies that attended last week's US-Ukraine defense industry conference.

"Together, we can create more jobs....."

Can't open the link but it seems like interest is dwindling, thought not among Democrats. At least, not publicly.

DECEMBER 8, 2023

About half of Republicans now say the U.S. is providing too much aid to Ukraine

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/...o-ukraine/