(11-02-2023 04:52 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 02:43 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 01:34 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 12:05 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  "It basically shows people will watch whatever you give them. They will watch CUSA if it is on just as much as the Sunbelt.

Seeing those UTEP numbers versus a Sunbelt game is pretty funny though."


It's not funny, solely because even though the Miners have sucked really bad in football people in the US KNOW who Utep is. In the sixties we were beating up SWC teams in the Sun Bowl and winning a national championship in basketball, something no Sunbelt school has done. Utep is so well known that it came up in a national crossword puzzle that I was working on.

I mean, OK. Does UTEP really have a national brand? And yalls bball championship was awesome but the average age of a citizen in the US is two decades younger than your natty. Are people really reminiscing about the glory days of UTEP bball when the team that won it was not even named UTEP. I mean, we are all homers but geez man.

NMSU has a final four and us fans mention it regularly. The minors winning a natty is a HUGE deal.

Oh I definitely agree with that and if we had that success to fall back on, we would too. I read his post as people across the nation know who UTEP is because Texas Western? won a natty during LBJ's administration. That is a tough sell.

This is no lie, when I was vacationing in South Carolina I had my Utep cap on and a guy started talking to me about the national championship that we won in '66. It is still in people's minds because of whom we beat and what the ramifications were from the win. They knew that Utep was the new name for the school. Honestly, very few people even know where U. of Louisiana is until you tell them that it is in fact, U. of Louisiana at LaFayette, wherever that is.

(11-03-2023 12:02 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 04:52 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 02:43 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 01:34 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 12:05 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  "It basically shows people will watch whatever you give them. They will watch CUSA if it is on just as much as the Sunbelt.

Seeing those UTEP numbers versus a Sunbelt game is pretty funny though."


It's not funny, solely because even though the Miners have sucked really bad in football people in the US KNOW who Utep is. In the sixties we were beating up SWC teams in the Sun Bowl and winning a national championship in basketball, something no Sunbelt school has done. Utep is so well known that it came up in a national crossword puzzle that I was working on.

I mean, OK. Does UTEP really have a national brand? And yalls bball championship was awesome but the average age of a citizen in the US is two decades younger than your natty. Are people really reminiscing about the glory days of UTEP bball when the team that won it was not even named UTEP. I mean, we are all homers but geez man.

NMSU has a final four and us fans mention it regularly. The minors winning a natty is a HUGE deal.

Oh I definitely agree with that and if we had that success to fall back on, we would too. I read his post as people across the nation know who UTEP is because Texas Western? won a natty during LBJ's administration. That is a tough sell.

This is no lie, when I was vacationing in South Carolina I had my Utep cap on and a guy started talking to me about the national championship that we won in '66. It is still in people's minds because of whom we beat and what the ramifications were from the win. They knew that Utep was the new name for the school. Honestly, very few people even know where U. of Louisiana is until you tell them that it is in fact, U. of Louisiana at LaFayette, wherever that is.

Deleting because my post was not helpful. Apologies.

Does UTEP get much viewership south of the border ?

Your games are also broadcasted in Spanish, correct ?

(11-03-2023 02:06 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Does UTEP get much viewership south of the border ?

Your games are also broadcasted in Spanish, correct ?

Si, correcto, asi es como veo los juegos. Gracias por su apoyo.

No se si tu respuesta es sarcastico o no.

people know the name UTEP. It’s been around a long time and the casual viewer knows the name; it helps that a lot of folks in their 20s and 30s liked the movie Glory Road.

in the Sun Belt who has that kind of “name” with the casual viewer? Southern Miss, Marshall? A little bit of App State because of Michigan and Texas A&M - but at the same time it hurts them because what people “know” is that it was a win that “wasn’t supposed to happen” ie. Making them small. I realize someone is gonna misread what I wrote and get upset, but I’m not trying to talk down about App State. I wish we had their football program , I honestly think they were the best addition the Sun Belt has made.

And folks do know the name/state Louisiana, so the Cajuns have the next best cache, but that’s it. However they are certainly not any better than LT, WKU, Liberty to the casual fan (and all of these are at or above UNT/North Texas to the casual fan)

Don't overthink it. UTEP has a football brand. It is a legit DI football program. If you have them in your conference, you have a legit Mountain West level school and that makes your conference look better even if it brings no real value.

(11-03-2023 07:13 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 02:06 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Does UTEP get much viewership south of the border ?

Your games are also broadcasted in Spanish, correct ?

Si, correcto, asi es como veo los juegos. Gracias por su apoyo.

De nada.

(11-03-2023 07:35 PM)GeForce2 Wrote:  No se si tu respuesta es sarcastico o no.

LOL.

To be honest Utep is not even watched by the Mexican students that attend it. They're more of the Futbol types. You see a lot of them at the womens soccer matches but not many at the Sun Bowl. We sure wish that wasn't the case and Juarez with a population of more than a million would bring us good television and better chances of joining a Cartel because of number of viewers. But...no dice.

We're like the Republicans that want the Black and Hispanic votes away from the Demonic Party. It hasn't worked though. Those Mexicans won't be watching Utep football anytime soon.

So yes, I was being sarcastic probably because that's how I viewed his post. If he wasn't being an S then I apologize for thinking he was.

(11-04-2023 07:29 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-03-2023 07:35 PM)GeForce2 Wrote:  No se si tu respuesta es sarcastico o no.

LOL.

To be honest Utep is not even watched by the Mexican students that attend it. They're more of the Futbol types. You see a lot of them at the womens soccer matches but not many at the Sun Bowl. We sure wish that wasn't the case and Juarez with a population of more than a million would bring us good television and better chances of joining a Cartel because of number of viewers. But...no dice.

We're like the Republicans that want the Black and Hispanic votes away from the Demonic Party. It hasn't worked though. Those Mexicans won't be watching Utep football anytime soon.

So yes, I was being sarcastic probably because that's how I viewed his post. If he wasn't being an S then I apologize for thinking he was.

No, I was wondering with that huge population across the border if it helped with attendance and/or eyeballs.

With the NFL trying to extend its product south, I'd think that would have an effect, especially so close to football-crazed Texas.

I assume TV ratings extend across the border.

I coach Little League baseball and we have quite a few Venezuelan kids in our league. The kids more-so than the parents seem to love American football, from being around them.

(11-04-2023 08:20 AM)R40 Wrote:  Don't overthink it. UTEP has a football brand. It is a legit DI football program. If you have them in your conference, you have a legit Mountain West level school and that makes your conference look better even if it brings no real value.

Are you really that dumb, Or just pretending? While UTEP is known because of their win over Kentucky in 1966......

they have no brand in football other than losing 43 out of the last 50 seasons in football and 2 of those were 1 game over .500

Kajun, Utep has tried to entice fans from down south but have failed miserably. I don't blame them, who wants to see a bunch of losers losing, (I blame the AD, Coach and President) all the time. One team that many in Juarez do root for are the Caballeros, i.e., the Cowboys from the Nfl.

Some schools in Juarez do sport a football team and some as far as I can remember play against high school teams, or used to. I haven't heard too much about it now though.

I'm sure that they're not going to subscribe to Espn+ to watch the Miners play though. That's only for us diehards that just won't learn, and hope is our middlle name.

(11-03-2023 11:49 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  people know the name UTEP. It’s been around a long time and the casual viewer knows the name; it helps that a lot of folks in their 20s and 30s liked the movie Glory Road.

in the Sun Belt who has that kind of “name” with the casual viewer? Southern Miss, Marshall? A little bit of App State because of Michigan and Texas A&M - but at the same time it hurts them because what people “know” is that it was a win that “wasn’t supposed to happen” ie. Making them small. I realize someone is gonna misread what I wrote and get upset, but I’m not trying to talk down about App State. I wish we had their football program , I honestly think they were the best addition the Sun Belt has made.

And folks do know the name/state Louisiana, so the Cajuns have the next best cache, but that’s it. However they are certainly not any better than LT, WKU, Liberty to the casual fan (and all of these are at or above UNT/North Texas to the casual fan)

Care to guess which school was picked to to be shown on tier 1 more than any other school in CUSA? I'm going to leave it at football only because if we added in basketball.....

its not even close

Here's some hints it not....

S.Miss
UNT
UTEP
RICE
UAB
UTSA
UNCC
FAU
FIU
Middle
Tech
ODU

Marshall had caught up to Western after the two Boy Idiot (coach) years but they did not past Western and if we are using TV (at least one Marshall fans wants to use stadium streaming) Little ole Western was that school

Want to know which school has the highest rated championship game in CUSA 2.5 and 3.0? Western vs Tech and Western vs Marshall has the highest regular season game.

on the other end UNT vs FAU has the lowest rated championship game

(11-07-2023 01:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-04-2023 08:20 AM)R40 Wrote:  Don't overthink it. UTEP has a football brand. It is a legit DI football program. If you have them in your conference, you have a legit Mountain West level school and that makes your conference look better even if it brings no real value.

Are you really that dumb, Or just pretending? While UTEP is known because of their win over Kentucky in 1966......

they have no brand in football other than losing 43 out of the last 50 seasons in football and 2 of those were 1 game over .500

Who has been in the league the longest? That is a reflection of the value of the program at least at the time. The rest are backfills. This is a conference of backfills and UTEP had the biggest brand. That is a historical fact. It is hard to be stupid enough not to know that.

(11-07-2023 01:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-04-2023 08:20 AM)R40 Wrote:  Don't overthink it. UTEP has a football brand. It is a legit DI football program. If you have them in your conference, you have a legit Mountain West level school and that makes your conference look better even if it brings no real value.

Are you really that dumb, Or just pretending? While UTEP is known because of their win over Kentucky in 1966......

they have no brand in football other than losing 43 out of the last 50 seasons in football and 2 of those were 1 game over .500

Well UTEP does have a football brand. Didn't say it was good.

(11-07-2023 03:25 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(11-07-2023 01:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-04-2023 08:20 AM)R40 Wrote:  Don't overthink it. UTEP has a football brand. It is a legit DI football program. If you have them in your conference, you have a legit Mountain West level school and that makes your conference look better even if it brings no real value.

Are you really that dumb, Or just pretending? While UTEP is known because of their win over Kentucky in 1966......

they have no brand in football other than losing 43 out of the last 50 seasons in football and 2 of those were 1 game over .500

Who has been in the league the longest? That is a reflection of the value of the program at least at the time. The rest are backfills. This is a conference of backfills and UTEP had the biggest brand. That is a historical fact. It is hard to be stupid enough not to know that.

Even UTEP fans know why we are the longest tenured school in CUSA and we certainly aren't bragging about it.

(11-07-2023 06:57 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-07-2023 03:25 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(11-07-2023 01:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-04-2023 08:20 AM)R40 Wrote:  Don't overthink it. UTEP has a football brand. It is a legit DI football program. If you have them in your conference, you have a legit Mountain West level school and that makes your conference look better even if it brings no real value.

Are you really that dumb, Or just pretending? While UTEP is known because of their win over Kentucky in 1966......

they have no brand in football other than losing 43 out of the last 50 seasons in football and 2 of those were 1 game over .500

Who has been in the league the longest? That is a reflection of the value of the program at least at the time. The rest are backfills. This is a conference of backfills and UTEP had the biggest brand. That is a historical fact. It is hard to be stupid enough not to know that.

Even UTEP fans know why we are the longest tenured school in CUSA and we certainly aren't bragging about it.

Western Kentucky fans have no idea they were playing Division II football when UTEP were in the same conference as BYU, Arizona and Arizona State. And even when they find out, they can't figure it out.

(11-07-2023 07:35 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(11-07-2023 06:57 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-07-2023 03:25 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(11-07-2023 01:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-04-2023 08:20 AM)R40 Wrote:  Don't overthink it. UTEP has a football brand. It is a legit DI football program. If you have them in your conference, you have a legit Mountain West level school and that makes your conference look better even if it brings no real value.

Are you really that dumb, Or just pretending? While UTEP is known because of their win over Kentucky in 1966......

they have no brand in football other than losing 43 out of the last 50 seasons in football and 2 of those were 1 game over .500

Who has been in the league the longest? That is a reflection of the value of the program at least at the time. The rest are backfills. This is a conference of backfills and UTEP had the biggest brand. That is a historical fact. It is hard to be stupid enough not to know that.

Even UTEP fans know why we are the longest tenured school in CUSA and we certainly aren't bragging about it.

Western Kentucky fans have no idea they were playing Division II football when UTEP were in the same conference as BYU, Arizona and Arizona State. And even when they find out, they can't figure it out.

Oh, I think WKU fans pretty much know which end is up. They are working on 7 winning seasons out of the last 10 while UTEP has had 2 in the same span. We would love to have their record.

As for being in a conference with BYU, etc. UTEP has either never had the where withall or the will to keep up with their conference mates no matter the conference. Making bad hires, keeping losing coaches too long, always finding a way for football to extend their losing ways.

I doubt you could find a more tortured fanbase anywhere. But we keep coming back for more. Started this season's home schedule with 30k for an fcs team and will end it with a top 25 visitor and close to zero attendance. It's our way.

(11-07-2023 09:32 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-07-2023 07:35 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(11-07-2023 06:57 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-07-2023 03:25 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(11-07-2023 01:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Are you really that dumb, Or just pretending? While UTEP is known because of their win over Kentucky in 1966......

they have no brand in football other than losing 43 out of the last 50 seasons in football and 2 of those were 1 game over .500

Who has been in the league the longest? That is a reflection of the value of the program at least at the time. The rest are backfills. This is a conference of backfills and UTEP had the biggest brand. That is a historical fact. It is hard to be stupid enough not to know that.

Even UTEP fans know why we are the longest tenured school in CUSA and we certainly aren't bragging about it.

Western Kentucky fans have no idea they were playing Division II football when UTEP were in the same conference as BYU, Arizona and Arizona State. And even when they find out, they can't figure it out.

Oh, I think WKU fans pretty much know which end is up. They are working on 7 winning seasons out of the last 10 while UTEP has had 2 in the same span. We would love to have their record.

As for being in a conference with BYU, etc. UTEP has either never had the where withall or the will to keep up with their conference mates no matter the conference. Making bad hires, keeping losing coaches too long, always finding a way for football to extend their losing ways.

I doubt you could find a more tortured fanbase anywhere. But we keep coming back for more. Started this season's home schedule with 30k for an fcs team and will end it with a top 25 visitor and close to zero attendance. It's our way.

Definitely don't know which way is up. They know what the record is today.

UTEP has definitely been one of the most incompetent schools in college football history. It probably will not change. They at least have not given up -- yet.

Can't really blame them for not wanting to watch CUSA football. It is not real interesting when you have been played Mountain West level football.

If the United pulls off its move up, they would probably be smart to just move to that league. At least they could play more Texas schools.

maybe they can invite Prairie View