(11-05-2023 09:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 08:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 07:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 04:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 02:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So I'm in Costa Rica right now...a guy saw my Cuse hat. We got talking ACC since he was a Clemson grad living in Charleston. He thinks the ACC is a trash conference. I said if you went to the SEC you couldn't keep any of the extra money, expect tix and motel prices to get more ridiculous and expect to be a middle of the road program due to all the heavyweights...he had no answers and walked off.

Before that we did agree on the fact that certain NC based schools always get the in game calls lol

Clemson is a middle of the road ACC program. What is this feller thinking?!?

Reread it my friend...MOTR SEC

I’m saying this guy is oblivious to the fact Clemson is a MOTR ACC program. 2-4 in conference, so maybe I should change that to subpar ACC program.

You sure you want to be saying that BEFORE the Heels play the Tigers? Y'all still have to play Duke and NC State as well - teams that beat Clemson and may beat UNC, too.

Mark,

Clemson could win their last 2 ACC regular season games and still finish as a middle of the road ACC team at 4-4. It is what it is. Otoh, Me personally, as a SU fan, I would gladly take that MOTR moniker, rather than being winless in conference.

(11-05-2023 10:38 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 09:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 08:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 07:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 04:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  Clemson is a middle of the road ACC program. What is this feller thinking?!?

Reread it my friend...MOTR SEC

I’m saying this guy is oblivious to the fact Clemson is a MOTR ACC program. 2-4 in conference, so maybe I should change that to subpar ACC program.

You sure you want to be saying that BEFORE the Heels play the Tigers? Y'all still have to play Duke and NC State as well - teams that beat Clemson and may beat UNC, too.

Mark,

Clemson could win their last 2 ACC regular season games and still finish as a middle of the road ACC team at 4-4. It is what it is. Otoh, Me personally, as a SU fan, I would gladly take that MOTR moniker, rather than being winless in conference.

Yeah and Syracuse season looked so promising after the 4-0 start. Y'all must have had a lot of injuries and not enough depth. That's the only way I can figure such a drop off.

(11-05-2023 04:59 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 10:38 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 09:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 08:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 07:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Reread it my friend...MOTR SEC

I’m saying this guy is oblivious to the fact Clemson is a MOTR ACC program. 2-4 in conference, so maybe I should change that to subpar ACC program.

You sure you want to be saying that BEFORE the Heels play the Tigers? Y'all still have to play Duke and NC State as well - teams that beat Clemson and may beat UNC, too.

Mark,

Clemson could win their last 2 ACC regular season games and still finish as a middle of the road ACC team at 4-4. It is what it is. Otoh, Me personally, as a SU fan, I would gladly take that MOTR moniker, rather than being winless in conference.

Yeah and Syracuse season looked so promising after the 4-0 start. Y'all must have had a lot of injuries and not enough depth. That's the only way I can figure such a drop off.

This...and several critical calls by the Zebras that were bad even by ACC ref standards.

Shrader got hurt at VT apparently...might be done.

(11-05-2023 08:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 07:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 04:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 02:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So I'm in Costa Rica right now...a guy saw my Cuse hat. We got talking ACC since he was a Clemson grad living in Charleston. He thinks the ACC is a trash conference. I said if you went to the SEC you couldn't keep any of the extra money, expect tix and motel prices to get more ridiculous and expect to be a middle of the road program due to all the heavyweights...he had no answers and walked off.

Before that we did agree on the fact that certain NC based schools always get the in game calls lol

Clemson is a middle of the road ACC program. What is this feller thinking?!?

Reread it my friend...MOTR SEC

I’m saying this guy is oblivious to the fact Clemson is a MOTR ACC program. 2-4 in conference, so maybe I should change that to subpar ACC program.

Maybe I didn't write clear enough...I told him if Clemson went to the SEC they would just be a MOTR SEC team.

(11-05-2023 10:38 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 09:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 08:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 07:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 04:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  Clemson is a middle of the road ACC program. What is this feller thinking?!?

Reread it my friend...MOTR SEC

I’m saying this guy is oblivious to the fact Clemson is a MOTR ACC program. 2-4 in conference, so maybe I should change that to subpar ACC program.

You sure you want to be saying that BEFORE the Heels play the Tigers? Y'all still have to play Duke and NC State as well - teams that beat Clemson and may beat UNC, too.

Mark,

Clemson could win their last 2 ACC regular season games and still finish as a middle of the road ACC team at 4-4. It is what it is. Otoh, Me personally, as a SU fan, I would gladly take that MOTR moniker, rather than being winless in conference.

THIS YEAR, yes, I agree - Clemson is a MOTR ACC team THIS YEAR. That doesn't give UNC fans license to trash talk when their team is USUALLY MOTR or worse in the ACC... Tar Heels need to accept their reality and focus on basketball!

(11-02-2023 02:33 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 08:57 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  YES

110 out of 100 Louisville fans agree with that.

111

(11-06-2023 09:12 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 02:33 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 08:57 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  YES

110 out of 100 Louisville fans agree with that.

111

(11-06-2023 09:01 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 10:38 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 09:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 08:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-02-2023 07:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Reread it my friend...MOTR SEC

I’m saying this guy is oblivious to the fact Clemson is a MOTR ACC program. 2-4 in conference, so maybe I should change that to subpar ACC program.

You sure you want to be saying that BEFORE the Heels play the Tigers? Y'all still have to play Duke and NC State as well - teams that beat Clemson and may beat UNC, too.

Mark,

Clemson could win their last 2 ACC regular season games and still finish as a middle of the road ACC team at 4-4. It is what it is. Otoh, Me personally, as a SU fan, I would gladly take that MOTR moniker, rather than being winless in conference.

THIS YEAR, yes, I agree - Clemson is a MOTR ACC team THIS YEAR. That doesn't give UNC fans license to trash talk when their team is USUALLY MOTR or worse in the ACC... Tar Heels need to accept their reality and focus on basketball!

We have the license to hunt Tigers... AND in 2027, Gobblers!!!

(11-06-2023 09:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-06-2023 09:01 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 10:38 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 09:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-05-2023 08:55 AM)esayem Wrote:  I’m saying this guy is oblivious to the fact Clemson is a MOTR ACC program. 2-4 in conference, so maybe I should change that to subpar ACC program.

You sure you want to be saying that BEFORE the Heels play the Tigers? Y'all still have to play Duke and NC State as well - teams that beat Clemson and may beat UNC, too.

Mark,

Clemson could win their last 2 ACC regular season games and still finish as a middle of the road ACC team at 4-4. It is what it is. Otoh, Me personally, as a SU fan, I would gladly take that MOTR moniker, rather than being winless in conference.

THIS YEAR, yes, I agree - Clemson is a MOTR ACC team THIS YEAR. That doesn't give UNC fans license to trash talk when their team is USUALLY MOTR or worse in the ACC... Tar Heels need to accept their reality and focus on basketball!

We have the license to hunt Tigers... AND in 2027, Gobblers!!!

Sheep don't hunt anything... they ARE hunted!

(11-02-2023 10:52 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  If the difference in money was that necessary they had no choice. In terms of relevance it was the worst decision possible. I've never had any interest in watching Maryland against any BIG teams. I did enjoy watching Maryland against ACC competition. It's very different going from being in a P5 conference with your regional and historical rivals to another P5 conference for money than what SMU is doing. Ideally, SMU would be in the SWC and maybe add LSU, OU, OSU to get to 12 teams. That would be the best league for SMU but that is not possible. Given our options for P5 I am thrilled to face name brands like Miami, UNC, Duke, Florida State, Syracuse, etc.

Maryland made the right revenue move for Maryland. The Terps have never been much of TV draw for football in either league. In the B1G Ten they've probably been less of a basketball draw than they were in the ACC... but they make more money anyway, so what's to argue?

Maryland is definitely in a weird place athletically. I have to wonder if they’d have better support if the university was in the Baltimore suburbs rather than the DC suburbs. For land grants/state flagships their support is all about mobilizing folks from across the state—it certainly doesn’t help the Terps that they are located in a market where most people aren’t even Marylanders.

On top of that, they are working against pro sports in 2 different markets, Georgetown basketball, and Navy football. It’s a hard place to establish a sports legacy.

After 10 years, I don't really know because I don't follow UMD's success or failure but from a revenue standpoint which was the real reason they left; it was definitely the right move.

After the first few years UMD was 2nd to only Michigan in B10 championships. So, you would have to call that a success. They haven't done any thing in football since they left and have been ranked in Men's basketball a bit but clearly not as big a draw as they were in the ACC. But what do they care, they still get paid more.

Do some fans long for the good old days of the ACC? When I was talking to UMD fans at the Horseshoe Casino in Baltimore, they were 100% in for the B1G. Now this was after a year or two so I don't know how they feel now.

And I don't really care. I'll take Louisville 99% of the time. Just leaving a 1% hedge in case UMD wins a football or basketball NC.

(11-07-2023 05:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Maryland is definitely in a weird place athletically. I have to wonder if they’d have better support if the university was in the Baltimore suburbs rather than the DC suburbs. For land grants/state flagships their support is all about mobilizing folks from across the state—it certainly doesn’t help the Terps that they are located in a market where most people aren’t even Marylanders.

On top of that, they are working against pro sports in 2 different markets, Georgetown basketball, and Navy football. It’s a hard place to establish a sports legacy.

You would need to move MD into Delaware, the Catocins near Raven Rock, or west toward Harper's Ferry to change it enough to make it like most of the rest of the B10 or ACC. UMCP is not "Fansville" and hasn't been "Fansville" for at least 40 years.