(11-23-2023 09:26 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 02:38 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  I could see ACC schools paying to move to SEC/ BigTen. I just don’t see any of them paying those exit fees to go to B12.

Conference realignment jumped the shark a long time ago. So I hesitate to say that anything or inevitable anymore. But this ^^^ seems right to me.

It’s all about the money.

(11-22-2023 07:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Uconn, tulane, smu, usf

I’ve heard that UConn would have to pay through the nose to get its MBB out of the Big East. I’m sure they would happily do that in order to join a league like B1G or SEC. And I suppose they might grudgingly do that in order to join a league like the *current* ACC or the “Big XVI” (or whatever they call it).

But would UConn do that to join a depleted ACC with lots of teams from the old AAC? Hmmm

(11-23-2023 01:52 AM)grapes Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 07:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  yeah, I don't trust the source. But, if something like this did go down, I have to wonder which programs would be left in the ACC? Georgia Tech, Boston College, SMU, Wake Forest, & Virginia Tech, would be my guess.

My fun guess.

B10 - Stanford and Notre Dame. Stops at 20 teams.

SEC - Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, and Virginia. Stops at 20 teams.

B12 - Adds 4 from a pool of 12 → Duke, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Miami, NC State, Pittsburgh, Cal, Georgia Tech, SMU, Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forrest. Stops at 20 teams.

Whoever the Big 12 leaves from that group is who I expect to be left with the exception of California possibly, at this point will certainly be interested to go back regional and join whatever the new PAC is.

The new ACC should be left with around 7/8 teams before they expand with the cutest of the AAC.

Why would the B10 pass on Stanford now, then circle back and add them later? Why make them go through the nonsense of interim years in the AAC?

(11-23-2023 09:19 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 08:56 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  Swain is a maroon.

Nobody goin nowhere.

Clickbait for the unwashed.

Like the op.

(11-22-2023 07:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Youre an embarrasment

(11-23-2023 11:22 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 09:19 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 08:56 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  Swain is a maroon.

Nobody goin nowhere.

Clickbait for the unwashed.

Like the op.

(11-22-2023 07:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Youre an embarrasment

DOINK

(11-23-2023 11:45 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  DOINK

It was introduced as a discussion point. Notice that it's posed as a question and the icon that I chose for the thread title? I realize it flies over your head, but you're allowed to put on your thinking cap for once.

(11-22-2023 09:48 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 07:48 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 07:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  yeah, I don't trust the source. But, if something like this did go down, I have to wonder which programs would be left in the ACC? Georgia Tech, Boston College, SMU, Wake Forest, & Virginia Tech, would be my guess.

Well they added Stanford, Cal and SMU to protect themselves. I would see them adding at same time as they lose to keep number at 14 or above. That would basically keep their contract the same.

I just don’t see any ACC team at this point paying exit fee of 250 million or so, to basically go to B12 and earn pretty much the same.

This is why I don’t see more than 4 leaving at one time to BigTen or SEC.
FSU, Clemson, UNC and Virginia are the most likely.

That still leaves
Louisville,Pitt, Syracuse,Virginia Tech, Boston College, NCST,Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Miami, SMU, Stanford and California That’s 13+ ND 14
That would trigger them to add replacements to keep contract safe.

If this all goes down, Stanford and Cal would move to the Big12. Those two would pay to get away from a rebuilt ACC, just like the ran from rebuilding the PAC.

And if Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, & Virginia all find a way to bolt, there won't be a $250 million exit fee anymore.

Plus, losing their biggest brands would cripple their current media deal value, and their media partners would probably lower their payout regardless of which G5 programs they moved to add.

The ACC currently still has their big brands. The Big 12 will have zero big brands after Texas and Oklahoma leave this year. Stanford, Cal, and maybe SMU likely leave to the Big 12 at some point (with Stanford possibly to the B1G) to save on travel costs but it is just as likely UCF and WVU move to the ACC the first chance they get.

Nobody in the Eastern US is leaving even a rebuilt ACC to join the Big 12 when the remaining big football brands are programs like Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Utah.

I'm just a bystander and it really is none of my business, but I am curious as to the origins of this feud between msu35 and shere khan. I may regret this, but if either of you care to elaborate, I'd be open to hearing your side of the story. Happy Thanksgiving you two.

(11-23-2023 12:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I'm just a bystander and it really is none of my business, but I am curious as to the origins of this feud between msu35 and shere khan. I may regret this, but if either of you care to elaborate, I'd be open to hearing your side of the story. Happy Thanksgiving you two.

There is no feud from my standpoint. In a nutshell, I support the Tigers and I support our coach. Shere Khan is a Tigers apostate who pretends to be a Tulane fan "in protest" against the team. If you've noticed, he contributes nothing aside from vitriolic attacks and is very consistent in that regard. Anyone who supports the program, coach, administration, or city will be trolled by him; and I'm unwilling to take his jabs, so I push back. That's it.

I hope you and your family enjoy your holiday. I also extend this wish to everyone here, including the Disney tiger.

(11-23-2023 12:21 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 12:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I'm just a bystander and it really is none of my business, but I am curious as to the origins of this feud between msu35 and shere khan. I may regret this, but if either of you care to elaborate, I'd be open to hearing your side of the story. Happy Thanksgiving you two.

There is no feud from my standpoint. In a nutshell, I support the Tigers and I support our coach. Shere Khan is a Tigers apostate who pretends to be a Tulane fan "in protest" against the team. If you've noticed, he contributes nothing aside from vitriolic attacks and is very consistent in that regard. Anyone who supports the program, coach, administration, or city will be trolled by him; and I'm unwilling to take his jabs, so I push back. That's it.

I hope you and your family enjoy your holiday. I also extend this wish to everyone here, including the Disney tiger.

Thanks for sharing. Now it makes more sense. Shere's issues with the Memphis leadership must predate the new additions.

The keys to remember into any school leaving the ACC before its contract runs out in 2036 are:

1. Exit fee and breaking GOR will be costly anywhere from 150 to 250 million in low expectations.
2. ESPN can’t renegotiate contract as long as membership is over 14.

With the additions of Stanford, Cal and SMU. AAC membership stands at 18 counting ND. This was why those three were added.

Under current media payouts, only going to BigTen and SEC make financial sense if you are going to be paying those exit fees. This is why I keep saying that leaving for Big12 makes no financial sense.

The BigTen is at 18, the SEC at 16. So the largest raid would be six schools. That would drop the ACC to 12 should it happen.but most likely scenario is four leaving at one time, dropping membership to 14. If that happens you would see ACC add at least 4 to replace those leaving and keeping contract intact.

Now the ACC would keep its contract and have quite a lot of exit fees that they can use to make anybody leaving for Big12 a loss in financial terms.

At the end FSU and Clemson to BigTen and UNC, Virginia to SEC are the four most likely to leave sooner and pay those exit fees.

Who would be the Four added to replace them? And once again remember if they are coming from AAC, they would more than likely take less payout, building up more money to keep anyone else from leaving.

(11-23-2023 12:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I'm just a bystander and it really is none of my business, but I am curious as to the origins of this feud between msu35 and shere khan. I may regret this, but if either of you care to elaborate, I'd be open to hearing your side of the story. Happy Thanksgiving you two.

I'm curious to know the origins of multiple feuds between msu35 and several posters on this forum. It's a regular occurrence here. It doesn't stop.

(11-23-2023 12:11 PM)XYZ Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 09:48 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 07:48 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 07:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  yeah, I don't trust the source. But, if something like this did go down, I have to wonder which programs would be left in the ACC? Georgia Tech, Boston College, SMU, Wake Forest, & Virginia Tech, would be my guess.

Well they added Stanford, Cal and SMU to protect themselves. I would see them adding at same time as they lose to keep number at 14 or above. That would basically keep their contract the same.

I just don’t see any ACC team at this point paying exit fee of 250 million or so, to basically go to B12 and earn pretty much the same.

This is why I don’t see more than 4 leaving at one time to BigTen or SEC.
FSU, Clemson, UNC and Virginia are the most likely.

That still leaves
Louisville,Pitt, Syracuse,Virginia Tech, Boston College, NCST,Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Miami, SMU, Stanford and California That’s 13+ ND 14
That would trigger them to add replacements to keep contract safe.

If this all goes down, Stanford and Cal would move to the Big12. Those two would pay to get away from a rebuilt ACC, just like the ran from rebuilding the PAC.

And if Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, & Virginia all find a way to bolt, there won't be a $250 million exit fee anymore.

Plus, losing their biggest brands would cripple their current media deal value, and their media partners would probably lower their payout regardless of which G5 programs they moved to add.

The ACC currently still has their big brands. The Big 12 will have zero big brands after Texas and Oklahoma leave this year. Stanford, Cal, and maybe SMU likely leave to the Big 12 at some point (with Stanford possibly to the B1G) to save on travel costs but it is just as likely UCF and WVU move to the ACC the first chance they get.

Nobody in the Eastern US is leaving even a rebuilt ACC to join the Big 12 when the remaining big football brands are programs like Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Utah.

If membership changes then the AAC will be diminished, and not be equal to its' current value. Don't sell the rebuilt Big12 short. They are rebuilding with mostly P5 members. The ACC will not have that luxury. When Texas and OU began another round of realignment and the PAC came under attack, I was quick to say the Big12 with its' central location was in the best position to benefit and survive, and I think that is still true.

(11-23-2023 12:58 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 12:21 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 12:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I'm just a bystander and it really is none of my business, but I am curious as to the origins of this feud between msu35 and shere khan. I may regret this, but if either of you care to elaborate, I'd be open to hearing your side of the story. Happy Thanksgiving you two.

There is no feud from my standpoint. In a nutshell, I support the Tigers and I support our coach. Shere Khan is a Tigers apostate who pretends to be a Tulane fan "in protest" against the team. If you've noticed, he contributes nothing aside from vitriolic attacks and is very consistent in that regard. Anyone who supports the program, coach, administration, or city will be trolled by him; and I'm unwilling to take his jabs, so I push back. That's it.

I hope you and your family enjoy your holiday. I also extend this wish to everyone here, including the Disney tiger.

Thanks for sharing. Now it makes more sense. Shere's issues with the Memphis leadership must predate the new additions.

Lol believe MSU at your own risk, he has been ostracized and banned from the board at the request of many, many other Memphis fans. Very good gaslighter, always saying he isn't doing something he very obviously is, one trick pony type. My guess is he isn't even really a Memphis fan, just someone who has or is living in Memphis. Possibly an Ol' Miss or Miss st fan in reality. Its hard to find actual views he has, but when you do they rarely if ever line up with well known Memphis fans.

Shere Kahn is a long time poster here, definitely a true Memphis fan, and an admitted troll, but mostly one in defense of his school. His Tulane switch happened earlier this year when the funbelt fans flooded the board and tried to overrun the discussions. He has been in semi retirement much like BC#1. He adds a lot of entertainment and seems to actually know what is going on in his school. He is up there with 1983, Yankee, and Triple A when it comes to being a "true" long time fan. Which explains why you see MSU having issues with the four of them on a regular basis.

(11-23-2023 12:21 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 12:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I'm just a bystander and it really is none of my business, but I am curious as to the origins of this feud between msu35 and shere khan. I may regret this, but if either of you care to elaborate, I'd be open to hearing your side of the story. Happy Thanksgiving you two.

There is no feud from my standpoint. In a nutshell, I support the Tigers and I support our coach. Shere Khan is a Tigers apostate who pretends to be a Tulane fan "in protest" against the team. If you've noticed, he contributes nothing aside from vitriolic attacks and is very consistent in that regard. Anyone who supports the program, coach, administration, or city will be trolled by him; and I'm unwilling to take his jabs, so I push back. That's it.

I hope you and your family enjoy your holiday. I also extend this wish to everyone here, including the Disney tiger.

Weirdo.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 12:58 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 12:21 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 12:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I'm just a bystander and it really is none of my business, but I am curious as to the origins of this feud between msu35 and shere khan. I may regret this, but if either of you care to elaborate, I'd be open to hearing your side of the story. Happy Thanksgiving you two.

There is no feud from my standpoint. In a nutshell, I support the Tigers and I support our coach. Shere Khan is a Tigers apostate who pretends to be a Tulane fan "in protest" against the team. If you've noticed, he contributes nothing aside from vitriolic attacks and is very consistent in that regard. Anyone who supports the program, coach, administration, or city will be trolled by him; and I'm unwilling to take his jabs, so I push back. That's it.

I hope you and your family enjoy your holiday. I also extend this wish to everyone here, including the Disney tiger.

Thanks for sharing. Now it makes more sense. Shere's issues with the Memphis leadership must predate the new additions.

Lol believe MSU at your own risk, he has been ostracized and banned from the board at the request of many, many other Memphis fans. Very good gaslighter, always saying he isn't doing something he very obviously is, one trick pony type. My guess is he isn't even really a Memphis fan, just someone who has or is living in Memphis. Possibly an Ol' Miss or Miss st fan in reality. Its hard to find actual views he has, but when you do they rarely if ever line up with well known Memphis fans.

Shere Kahn is a long time poster here, definitely a true Memphis fan, and an admitted troll, but mostly one in defense of his school. His Tulane switch happened earlier this year when the funbelt fans flooded the board and tried to overrun the discussions. He has been in semi retirement much like BC#1. He adds a lot of entertainment and seems to actually know what is going on in his school. He is up there with 1983, Yankee, and Triple A when it comes to being a "true" long time fan. Which explains why you see MSU having issues with the four of them on a regular basis.

Im mad about the mediocrity of Ruin Silverfield, continued alliance with a dying city and the abject stupidity of the non alums on the orgtard

The sidewalkers are city fans. Alums want the univ to be s national univ at its best and state univ at its worst. Sidewalk tards think the univ is a city community college. They are stupid.

The acceptence of mediocrity pisses me off. Memphis embraces and revels in it.

Every now and then a "true believer" idiot shows up like msu35 to straighten us all out until he gets caught breaking probation or his moms new boyfriend kicks him out of the basement.

Either way check out the org. Their delusions are homeric and stupidity legendary.

:coffee3:

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Lol believe MSU at your own risk

Really? Your take wouldn't have anything to do with you being proven wrong time and time again, would it?

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  he has been ostracized and banned from the board at the request of many, many other Memphis fans.

Another absurd assertion. I have many upvotes from Memphis fans on the ORG. A significant number of our members are afraid to speak out against the angry mob because they're tired of being ganged up on and attacked. You would do well to know what you're talking about, and not just on this issue.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Very good gaslighter, always saying he isn't doing something he very obviously is

There you go again with your favorite term. Have you noticed that you're the one who's always gaslighting? Ironic.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  My guess is he isn't even really a Memphis fan

Keep telling yourself that and it won't make it any less delusional. I don't believe anyone with critical thinking skills would ever come to that conclusion.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  when you do they rarely if ever line up with well known Memphis fans.

Your views rarely line up with your fellow Tulsa fans. Did you notice they overwhelmingly had to conceded that I was right the last time you felt the need to educate everyone on the downward trend of Tulsa basketball?

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Shere Kahn is a long time poster here

He certainly is a long time member of this site. He also does very little here and on the ORG aside from taking cheap shots.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  definitely a true Memphis fan

Laughable.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  and an admitted troll

You got two things correct in your diatribe, and on this point, therein lies the crux.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  His Tulane switch happened earlier this year when the funbelt fans flooded the board and tried to overrun the discussions.

Wrong again. He's had Tulane listed as his "roots for" for at least two years now. When will you learn to not post when you have no clue? Clearly you're still triggered and I'm still living rent free in your head, but that doesn't take your distorted fiction and make it a reality.

(11-23-2023 02:06 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Lol believe MSU at your own risk

Really? Your take wouldn't have anything to do with you being proven wrong time and time again, would it?

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  he has been ostracized and banned from the board at the request of many, many other Memphis fans.

Another absurd assertion. I have many upvotes from Memphis fans on the ORG. A significant number of our members are afraid to speak out against the angry mob because they're tired of being ganged up on and attacked. You would do well to know what you're talking about, and not just on this issue.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Very good gaslighter, always saying he isn't doing something he very obviously is

There you go again with your favorite term. Have you noticed that you're the one who's always gaslighting? Ironic.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  My guess is he isn't even really a Memphis fan

Keep telling yourself that and it won't make it any less delusional. I don't believe anyone with critical thinking skills would ever come to that conclusion.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  when you do they rarely if ever line up with well known Memphis fans.

Your views rarely line up with your fellow Tulsa fans. Did you notice they overwhelmingly had to conceded that I was right the last time you felt the need to educate everyone on the downward trend of Tulsa basketball?

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Shere Kahn is a long time poster here

He certainly is a long time member of this site. He also does very little here and on the ORG aside from taking cheap shots.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  definitely a true Memphis fan

Laughable.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  and an admitted troll

You got two things correct in your diatribe, and on this point, therein lies the crux.

(11-23-2023 01:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  His Tulane switch happened earlier this year when the funbelt fans flooded the board and tried to overrun the discussions.

Wrong again. He's had Tulane listed as his "roots for" for at least two years now. When will you learn to not post when you have no clue? Clearly you're still triggered and I'm still living rent free in your head, but that doesn't take your distorted fiction and make it a reality.

Im not going to be your special friend no matter how hard you try.



Take me off your list msu35

...and as everyone can plainly see, his posts speak for themselves. Always the most distorted and the most toxic of takes. The immaturity and insecurity is palpable, and a testament to what a sad and miserable person this individual is. Touché.

(11-23-2023 01:47 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(11-23-2023 12:11 PM)XYZ Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 09:48 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 07:48 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 07:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  yeah, I don't trust the source. But, if something like this did go down, I have to wonder which programs would be left in the ACC? Georgia Tech, Boston College, SMU, Wake Forest, & Virginia Tech, would be my guess.

Well they added Stanford, Cal and SMU to protect themselves. I would see them adding at same time as they lose to keep number at 14 or above. That would basically keep their contract the same.

I just don’t see any ACC team at this point paying exit fee of 250 million or so, to basically go to B12 and earn pretty much the same.

This is why I don’t see more than 4 leaving at one time to BigTen or SEC.
FSU, Clemson, UNC and Virginia are the most likely.

That still leaves
Louisville,Pitt, Syracuse,Virginia Tech, Boston College, NCST,Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Miami, SMU, Stanford and California That’s 13+ ND 14
That would trigger them to add replacements to keep contract safe.

If this all goes down, Stanford and Cal would move to the Big12. Those two would pay to get away from a rebuilt ACC, just like the ran from rebuilding the PAC.

And if Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, & Virginia all find a way to bolt, there won't be a $250 million exit fee anymore.

Plus, losing their biggest brands would cripple their current media deal value, and their media partners would probably lower their payout regardless of which G5 programs they moved to add.

The ACC currently still has their big brands. The Big 12 will have zero big brands after Texas and Oklahoma leave this year. Stanford, Cal, and maybe SMU likely leave to the Big 12 at some point (with Stanford possibly to the B1G) to save on travel costs but it is just as likely UCF and WVU move to the ACC the first chance they get.

Nobody in the Eastern US is leaving even a rebuilt ACC to join the Big 12 when the remaining big football brands are programs like Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Utah.

If membership changes then the AAC will be diminished, and not be equal to its' current value. Don't sell the rebuilt Big12 short. They are rebuilding with mostly P5 members. The ACC will not have that luxury. When Texas and OU began another round of realignment and the PAC came under attack, I was quick to say the Big12 with its' central location was in the best position to benefit and survive, and I think that is still true.

The part you seem to forget are
1. Even if the ACC is diminished as you say, their media contract would remain as is until 2036. That’s comparable to what Big12 would offer.
2. With exit fees and incoming schools taking less, it will allow for ACC to add to those that the B12 might want.
3. Why would any current ACC school pay a 150-250 million fee to go to B12 and earn at best the same? And no the exit fee will not drop because 4 schools left early, because it is based on media deal that’s not changing.